Will Whatsgood5 be forced to turn over his winnings?

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In the beginning I was in favor of SBR policing the points lending business. But I have changed my mind now and side with SBR in that this is a high risk business and lend at your own risk. If someone is a stiff then let the other members no about it and eventually if he is a real man when he wins some points he can pay back his debts. If not then he is a scumbag.

One thing I would like to see is a pop-up message (similar to the message you get in Private Zone) that SBR is not liable for point losses due to stiffing and lenders and loan recipients are contacting business at their own risk.

SBR could have shut off the points lending business if they wanted but they let it stay and passed all the risk to the posters.

so if this post continue to give out bad loans.does that mean our president will bail them out too?

[pavyracer]

How in the heck can he keep getting loans???? There are point credit reports and slow pay lists available right??

It looks like the loans he stiffed were about 4 months ago during the football season and before poker came around. I guess the lenders wrote the loans off because he told them he is not paying them off period.

But you would think if he was a real man after he won 20K points playing poker he would have the courtesy to contact these lenders and pay them back. I don't think anyone is giving him any loans since he went on the stiff list.

[pavyracer]

so if this post continue to give out bad loans.does that mean our president will bail them out too?

No just loan points to the people you trust they will pay you back. When you are in the loan business you just don't give out loans left and right. Maybe start someone with small loans and if the pay back increase their loans with a calculated risk. But I'm not in the loan business and never loaned anyone points or took a loan myself. I just manage the points SBR gives me and make sure I don't put myself in a position to stiff or get stiffed.

[oiler]

It looks like the loans he stiffed were about 4 months ago during the football season and before poker came around. I guess the lenders wrote the loans off because he told them he is not paying them off period.

But you would think if he was a real man after he won 20K points playing poker he would have the courtesy to contact these lenders and pay them back. I don't think anyone is giving him any loans since he went on the siff list.

well just shows u how people think.im sure he does the same in real money.first guy to ask for a loan but has a problem paying it back,and people wonder why the world is fukked up

[cloudagh]

I was really shocked reading in this thread. I don't get involved too much in the point loaning stuff and I certainly understand SBR reluctance to try and police this, but several things could be put in place to help:
1) you can't play in any poker tournaments til the loans are repaid
2) you can't purchase from the store until the loans are repaid
3) you can't attend a bash if you are a stiff

These things at a minimum would be easy to enforce and I think go along way to keep the stiff's at a minimum

[aceking]

well just shows u how people think.im sure he does the same in real money.first guy to ask for a loan but has a problem paying it back,and people wonder why the world is fukked up

its called the subprime crisis that sank Lehman Bros .

[dngf]

I was really shocked reading in this thread. I don't get involved too much in the point loaning stuff and I certainly understand SBR reluctance to try and police this, but several things could be put in place to help:
1) you can't play in any poker tournaments til the loans are repaid
2) you can't purchase from the store until the loans are repaid
3) you can't attend a bash if you are a stiff

These things at a minimum would be easy to enforce and I think go along way to keep the stiff's at a minimum

On the one hand I think there are very good arguments being made by Cloudagh and I wouldn't mind if some of these were implemented, and if as a result of SBR getting involved in a situation like this maybe they took a 25% rake as well for their trouble.

However, when considering the well documented basic premise of lender beware, it is hard to feel bad for the second, third, fourth, etc lender. Before you make the loan you check the points history, you see the borrower has a loan outstanding and if you agree to lend more points you have to realize your risk is increasing. So I have more sympathy for the first lender by far than the others.

[KingKolzig]

i got a message from one of this bums lenders a few days ago. said he has tried many many times to get paid after he won all those points but was told too bad. wow

[raidersfan]

a former stiff calling out a current stiff only at sbr

[MartinBlank]

i got a message from one of this bums lenders a few days ago. said he has tried many many times to get paid after he won all those points but was told too bad. wow

King---I'm curious. Don't you owe some big loans?

[THEGREAT30]

Another thread about your welfare problems. SBR will end up being a pure slum at the end of this mess. The points system will end and they will see what they have. Run off all the real Pro's for a bunch of chumps that find there manhood in proving they have $200 in a book, what a joke. Sounds kinda like how a good neighborhood lowers the rent and becomes the "Hood", pure stupid

[SBR_John]

Another thread about your welfare problems. SBR will end up being a pure slum at the end of this mess. The points system will end and they will see what they have. Run off all the real Pro's for a bunch of chumps that find there manhood in proving they have $200 in a book, what a joke. Sounds kinda like how a good neighborhood lowers the rent and becomes the "Hood", pure stupid

Your pent-up anger would magically go away if you sent a mere $200 to a sponsor. There are 1600+ Pro's and a record amount of applications yesterday. The Pro's are being handsomely rewarded, as it should be. They pay the bills. You can choose to be rewarded too or be regulated to complaining about it. Hopefully you will join your 1600 buds.

[THEGREAT30]

Your pent-up anger would magically go away if you sent a mere $200 to a sponsor. There are 1600+ Pro's and a record amount of applications yesterday. The Pro's are being handsomely rewarded, as it should be. They pay the bills. You can choose to be rewarded too or be regulated to complaining about it. Hopefully you will join your 1600 buds.

That makes a lot of sense to you and none to me. My regular book knows me by voice. When I call they say you haven't dealt with us in a while if it's been a month because I have been using them for over 6 years that's what I call a Pro. I was a Pro before you came up with this system. I can't knock your hustle though.

[SBR_John]

That makes a lot of sense to you and none to me. My regular book knows me by voice. When I call they say you haven't dealt with us in a while if it's been a month because I have been using them for over 6 years that's what I call a Pro. I was a Pro before you came up with this system. I can't knock your hustle though.

Throw $200 in a book and just leave it there. You would have it for next year and the following year and eventually just withdraw it! Yes ist a business but we want you to be happy and get all you can out of hanging out here. Maybe you think its a hustle but we are just trying to run a good business.

[mattmc419]

That makes a lot of sense to you and none to me. My regular book knows me by voice. When I call they say you haven't dealt with us in a while if it's been a month because I have been using them for over 6 years that's what I call a Pro. I was a Pro before you came up with this system. I can't knock your hustle though.

If you hate it here so much, just leave. I promise nobody will miss your usual 3 word comments everyday at midnight complaining about something.

For someone who disagrees with the point system so much, you sure care about the points a lot. I mean, you totally show how dishonest you are by stiffing...

Also, I'm sure your book loves you, looking at how you lose your 6 points every day in the book/casino. You've probably paid enough of their salaries that of course they know you by name. "Looks like TheGreat30 just paid for dinner again, boys!"

John, could you do us all a favor and ban this guy? Thanks!

[teaserpleaser]

^^^ lol

[KingKolzig]

King---I'm curious. Don't you owe some big loans?

Mr Blank i have paid them back over 100%. thank you for asking and not just immaturely slinging rumors in order to get ur rocks off (even if just for a few seconds) like so many lonely guys do here at sbr

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sbr-points/505715-kingkolzigs-tropical-payback.html

[MartinBlank]

Mr Blank i have paid them back over 100%. thank you for asking and not just immaturely slinging rumors in order to get ur rocks off (even if just for a few seconds) like so many lonely guys do here at sbr

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sbr-points...l-payback.html

My apologies King.

Solid job paying them back!!!

[mattmc419]

Mr Blank i have paid them back over 100%. thank you for asking and not just immaturely slinging rumors in order to get ur rocks off (even if just for a few seconds) like so many lonely guys do here at sbr

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sbr-points...l-payback.html

Nice job man!! Make sure you post in the stiff report so everyone knows.

Always good to see when people make up for their past mistakes.

[MartinBlank]

That makes a lot of sense to you and none to me. My regular book knows me by voice. When I call they say you haven't dealt with us in a while if it's been a month because I have been using them for over 6 years that's what I call a Pro. I was a Pro before you came up with this system. I can't knock your hustle though.

This is what I don't understand.

It doesn't make financial sense to NOT be a Pro here.

Let me explain. You throw 200 bucks into an account. Tell SBR and you become a Pro.

Now---you don't have to wager that 200 bucks, just let it sit there.

Now---sign into SBR daily---and make one post. At the end of the year, you have 4380 points. And, if you have been here for a few years---another couple hundred points.

At the end of said year, redeem your points for Sportsbook Cash.

It cost you NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Only an amateur lets that kind of cash on the table.

[THEGREAT30]

This is what I don't understand.

It doesn't make financial sense to NOT be a Pro here.

Let me explain. You throw 200 bucks into an account. Tell SBR and you become a Pro.

Now---you don't have to wager that 200 bucks, just let it sit there.

Now---sign into SBR daily---and make one post. At the end of the year, you have 4380 points. And, if you have been here for a few years---another couple hundred points.

At the end of said year, redeem your points for Sportsbook Cash.

It cost you NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Only an amateur lets that kind of cash on the table.

That's the major problem I have. At one point this site was about handicapping and sharing information. Now it's all about points and cash. SBR does not share any worthy info at this point, books that don't pay or slow pay get far less attention than points and cash. This is not a review site anymore, but it has not been in quite some time. Considering that most of the things they do around here are directly targeted at the US customers this is a borderline illegal operation that they run, sounds a lot like the books, that's the problem, they have done everything they can to become just like the books. Finally, I am glad that I started coming in this forum about 28 months ago because I would have never known what this really is, which is definitely not sportsbookreviewing.

[MartinBlank]

That's the major problem I have. At one point this site was about handicapping and sharing information. Now it's all about points and cash. SBR does not share any worthy info at this point, books that don't pay or slow pay get far less attention than points and cash. This is not a review site anymore, but it has not been in quite some time. Considering that most of the things they do around here are directly targeted at the US customers this is a borderline illegal operation that they run, sounds a lot like the books, that's the problem, they have done everything they can to become just like the books. Finally, I am glad that I started coming in this forum about 28 months ago because I would have never known what this really is, which is definitely not sportsbookreviewing.

How is giving you free sportsbook cash for making 365 posts in one year hurting you?

I don't understand it.

[mvp123]

all i can say is thiswithout reading the whole thread , that cat that won 20 k in points and stiffed everyone is a GRADEA SLIMEBALL AND KARMA IS A BITCH

[THEGREAT30]

How is giving you free sportsbook cash for making 365 posts in one year hurting you?

I don't understand it.

You never will because you are thinking about what you can get which is how every hustler wants you to think.

[mattmc419]

You never will because you are thinking about what you can get which is how every hustler wants you to think.

How can you even type that when you stiff people for points that supposedly don't matter to you?

[KingKolzig]

That's the major problem I have. At one point this site was about handicapping and sharing information. Now it's all about points and cash. SBR does not share any worthy info at this point, books that don't pay or slow pay get far less attention than points and cash. This is not a review site anymore, but it has not been in quite some time. Considering that most of the things they do around here are directly targeted at the US customers this is a borderline illegal operation that they run, sounds a lot like the books, that's the problem, they have done everything they can to become just like the books. Finally, I am glad that I started coming in this forum about 28 months ago because I would have never known what this really is, which is definitely not sportsbookreviewing.

SBR works very well for the gambler with less than 5k in a book. if ppl have been here a year or so and have a rep built up, then a book is 10x's less likely to stiff them. a book would be stupid to stiff an SBR regular for a few grand.

and ive gone from a steam chasing parlay-maniac to a 5 straight bet a night gambler since ive been at sbr. im waaaay better then i was before i got here. to the point where any money i lose cant even come close to the entertainment value im getting cause i never flame out early on a deposit. sbr has saved me about 2k a year and i feel confident wherever my money is. ur just a sour grape

[Flexin]

You never will because you are thinking about what you can get which is how every hustler wants you to think.

If you want reviews, just look at the many thread about different books. You are getting reviews by more then one source which can be a good thing.

You say it shouldn't be about the points but thats what your complaining about the most. If the points shouldn't matter, make threads on the books you want reviews on. Speaking of that, you said you have been with one book for 6 years. They know you by the sound of your voice. You say this is part of the reason you don't want another book to become pro. If you have such a great book that you don't want any others then why do you even need reviews?

I really don't see why your so upset about all of this.

James

[KingKolzig]

its interesting that betphoenix is no longer a part of the SBR store. scammers and stiffs who trick ppl into "lending" pts made this happen. if he paid back the posters he owed with the 10,000+ points he recieved from poker then it would be $750 less BP freeplays he ordered. what a loser

[BatemanPatrickl]

its interesting that betphoenix is no longer a part of the SBR store. scammers and stiffs who trick ppl into "lending" pts made this happen. if he paid back the posters he owed with the 10,000+ points he recieved from poker then it would be $750 less BP freeplays he ordered. what a loser

Says the guy that slow paid and stiffed other posters. You could have paid off Dad in weeks but you took 6 + months. For a college student you seem to have a ton of time on your hands

[chemicalbrother]

I have been told that I can't have my Private Messages back until I am debt free. So isn't this policing the points lending industry?

I also was told by a moderator, that my pts borrowing got out of hand. So much for not SBR overseeing or controlling the points industry.

you of all people should stfu.

amazing really. simply amazing he didnt pay back what he promised to. i know sbr cant police everything but honestly i havent seen those lenders around much. this guy is the fkn creep of all creeps

kingkolzig, meet carseller4.

[KingKolzig]

Says the guy that slow paid and stiffed other posters. You could have paid off Dad in weeks but you took 6 + months. For a college student you seem to have a ton of time on your hands

Nuclear War is a horrible thing

now im sure you can find something wrong with that statement

[KingKolzig]

Says the guy that slow paid and stiffed other posters. You could have paid off Dad in weeks but you took 6 + months. For a college student you seem to have a ton of time on your hands

another outright lie. i paid back 6 ppl in 6 months. whatsgood five stated his intentions to stiff and hasnt paid back anyone even with a 10,000 pt win, but you know the real story. i cant believe the mental world you live in

[chemicalbrother]

actually, dude actually winning a saturday tournament and not paying *might* be worse than cs4.

[chemicalbrother]

whatsgood five stated his intentions to stiff

can you gimme a link for that? sounds hilarious.

[KingKolzig]

If he wins a lot of points in todays tournament will SBR seize them and pay off the ppl he has outright and maliciously stiffed

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sbr-points/711237-whatsgood5s-loans.html

see posts 12, 45, 47, 55 from the thread

ChemicalBro here it is. And yes Carseller4 is not as bad at whatsgood5. whatsgood5 is the scott peterson of sbr (bateman is the ted bundy)