Are freeplays worth it

**the_situation** · 02-13-11, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by Sfritts8

Do not use the three team parlay method, I repeat, do not use this method, you will get a higher return on investment for that specific free play but you are putting flashing lights on yourself saying I know what I am doing and the book that you try this method at will not react favorably, at 5Dimes, if you did this, they would take away your limits on their reduced juice. Just put the free play on the biggest moneyline dog the book allows you to and lay it off at Match or another exchange if you are not American.

Hareeba- At some point you have to just stop wasting your time, people like James balance out the betting environment, some peoples inability to grasp basic mathematical principles is what allows sportsbooks to make lots of money and throw nice bonuses our way.

This guy knows whats up

**the_situation** · 02-13-11, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

because nobody is that good that they will make $85 guaranteed out of every $100 they bet

One last attempt:

You refuse my offer and play your $100 at +100 and it wins.
Congratulations your freeplay has put $100 cash in your account and now all you have to do is meet the rollover and it's yours to take out.

A smarter guy accepts my offer and takes the $85 cash.
He likes the same bet you did and puts his $85 on it too.
But when it wins he finds that his balance has grown by $170.

Guess who just left $70 on the table.

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

because nobody is that good that they will make $85 guaranteed out of every $100 they bet One last attempt: You refuse my offer and play your $100 at +100 and it wins. Congratulations your freeplay has put $100 cash in your account and now all you have to do is meet the rollover and it's yours to take out. A smarter guy accepts my offer and takes the $85 cash. He likes the same bet you did and puts his $85 on it too. But when it wins he finds that his balance has grown by $170. Guess who just left $70 on the table.

I didn't see this post till now. You made a good point about that situation. But that is different then what you do with your free play.

James

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 09:24 AM

This James guy is clueless.

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Albert Pujols

This James guy is clueless.

How am I clueless?

James

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Flexin

How am I clueless?

James

Do you really take a freeplay and make straight wagers with it?

KC · 02-13-11, 10:05 AM

Worth it for sure, took free plays from Betjam and Greek before super bowl, hit with Pack and a few other plays..real money adds up fast

**Legions36** · 02-13-11, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

well in that context maybe notsosharp is sharper than I gave him credit for - converting your freeplays to cash at another book is the way to go

Obviously thats how u do it but im done even trying with some of these guys as they like to argue to much.

**Legions36** · 02-13-11, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by loyd

True but Betjam doesn't have cash bonus here, they only give freeplays.

hey they give u $100 freeplay on deposit of $100 u cant go wrong.

**Legions36** · 02-13-11, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Albert Pujols

Do you really take a freeplay and make straight wagers with it?

Hahaha and yet he's really standing behind his words.
Dude u lose value by doing it this way thats why u use dogs of +200 or more so u take your freeplay value from 40% from your theory and turn it as high as 70% but this is tough as i usually get it in the 60s somewhere.

**pokerwhiz90** · 02-13-11, 10:34 AM

so has the op made up his mind?

**southpaw74** · 02-13-11, 10:56 AM

The moneyline fav that you are playing at another book is going to most likely hit anyway so you are just wasting a freeplay...it simply gives you insurance for one play that isn't very risky to begin with. I think a better discussion would be to go with the theory of someone who only has the freeplay to work with and not just simply "laying it off" somewhere else.

**Legions36** · 02-13-11, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by southpaw74

The moneyline fav that you are playing at another book is going to most likely hit anyway so you are just wasting a freeplay...it simply gives you insurance for one play that isn't very risky to begin with. I think a better discussion would be to go with the theory of someone who only has the freeplay to work with and not just simply "laying it off" somewhere else.

So what do u suggest doing with it for best value??

**southpaw74** · 02-13-11, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Legions36

So what do u suggest doing with it for best value??

That's what I'm trying to investigate. I'm just looking at buying one with points. Not the freeplay bonuses you get from a book for signing up or re-loading. I've just bet those kind straight or in a moneyline parlay in the past and been fortunate enough to win.

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 11:35 AM

One thing people need to understand with betting both sides. Your not transferring it to cash. What you are doing it sacrificing the free play to protect your cash bet. If this is what you like its fine.

But there is one drawback to this. There is a chance that it can lose. If it does, I'm guessing that the people that use this method just do it again because they are trying to avoid the free play rules. People can go on a bad run of 3 games, 5 games or more. So if you don't do well betting sports you need to know that you might need a lot of money to sacrifice the free play for cash.

Lets say you are betting -200. You need to put up $200 of your money to sacrifice the free play and get your $100 cash. IF that loses you have $200 from your free play. And your rollover is now $1600 at BetPhoenix. If you lose 4 times in a row it will cost you $5400 in cash to try to sacrifice your free play to get cash. This is all saying you can get one side at 200 and the other at -200. If you lost 4 times in a row you won't have to put up anymore money because at this point you would have made $2600 worth of bets when you needed $1600 for the rollover. So that money is yours.

I'm still tried so correct my math if its wrong but if you did this your free play would now be worth $6400. So you would have sill came out on top IF you had the $5400 cash to work it. A lot of people wouldn't have that kind of money to put up.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

James

**tkim8404** · 02-13-11, 11:38 AM

I say go for it as well. Just practice good money management and you should be fine.

**Legions36** · 02-13-11, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by southpaw74

That's what I'm trying to investigate. I'm just looking at buying one with points. Not the freeplay bonuses you get from a book for signing up or re-loading. I've just bet those kind straight or in a moneyline parlay in the past and been fortunate enough to win.

I've already looked into this parlay method but i cant find the right value from it, but some people think other wise. I like the way i stated before as i've been doing it like that with no issues. If u can figure how to get above 65% value return from freeplay let me know please

**southpaw74** · 02-13-11, 11:58 AM

Even if it's not the "smartest" I think being selective on staright bets can get you through the rollover and cash out pretty quickly

**icancount2one** · 02-13-11, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by DaCommision

I ike straight cash.

Str8 $$ Homie!

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by southpaw74

Even if it's not the "smartest" I think being selective on staright bets can get you through the rollover and cash out pretty quickly

Then why not make it a three team parlay 4 ways and get +150 instead of -110 on your straight wager.

**Sawyer** · 02-13-11, 12:23 PM

Freeplays are definitely worth it.

No need to make 3-game parlay in order to take %75 of the FP imo. Just bet on an underdog. So it works like a "shield" bet. Even if you lose, you lose nothing. Use it as "Free Bet".

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Albert Pujols

Then why not make it a three team parlay 4 ways and get +150 instead of -110 on your straight wager.

How does that work when there is 8 possible out comes for a 3 team parlay?

James

**White Rhino** · 02-13-11, 12:41 PM

yes free plays are worth it.

**xkgb** · 02-13-11, 12:46 PM

nothing as good as real cash, but free play is free first and formost

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 12:50 PM

For the people that are playing a free play on the other side of your cash, how are you getting the points to buy the free play? Are you just sitting on the points till you have enough, betting them to win enough to buy one or are you winning them playing poker or something?

James

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Flexin

How does that work when there is 8 possible out comes for a 3 team parlay?

James

Say you want to bet Duke and you have a $100 freeplay. Just do 4 three team parlays for $25. 1) Duke, Iowa, and Illinois. 2) Duke, Iowa, and Purdue. 3) Duke, Minnesota, and Illinois 4) Duke, Minnesota, and Purdue.

Your straight wager now pays +150.

**southpaw74** · 02-13-11, 12:57 PM

I heard books are looking for that parlay deal and don't like it.

**southpaw74** · 02-13-11, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Flexin

For the people that are playing a free play on the other side of your cash, how are you getting the points to buy the free play? Are you just sitting on the points till you have enough, betting them to win enough to buy one or are you winning them playing poker or something?

James

I just bet my points in sportsbook until I have enough to get a 100 or 250 freeplay or cash. You get 360 free every month as well.

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Albert Pujols

Say you want to bet Duke and you have a $100 freeplay. Just do 4 three team parlays for $25. 1) Duke, Iowa, and Illinois. 2) Duke, Iowa, and Purdue. 3) Duke, Minnesota, and Illinois 4) Duke, Minnesota, and Purdue. Your straight wager now pays +150.

Ok but this can still bite you in the ass if Duke loses. I have made parlays before with different out comes and haven't a team or two that I really liked only to have those teams bite me.

It can give you a good win if your right about your favorite.

James

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by southpaw74

I just bet my points in sportsbook until I have enough to get a 100 or 250 freeplay or cash. You get 360 free every month as well.

I bet then as well. My reason for asking is if someone bets them to buy a free play and then plays the free play on the other side of a bet they like then they are losing some money.

If they do it that way they should just bet the points on the other side. The points have value of .22 cents if your getting a BetPhoenix $250 free play. If they are pro they are making 84 a week. So thats $18.48 that they can sacrifice on the other side. This way they don't have to worry about losing points on any games they lose.

If someone plays them I feel its not much different from the free play so why not just do what you and I said which is play the free play. If you plan on playing long term then a rollover won't matter at all.

IMO my cash has a rollover. I will only take it off if I make X amount of dollars with it.

To answer someone elses question. Yes I play them with straight bets. I have had 3 or 4 so far and I play them all the same.

James

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Flexin

Ok but this can still bite you in the ass if Duke loses. I have made parlays before with different out comes and haven't a team or two that I really liked only to have those teams bite me.

It can give you a good win if your right about your favorite.

James

Listen, you are making a bet on Duke, so of course it has risk. If you want to bet Duke, would you rather get 91 back or 150?

**Flexin** · 02-13-11, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Albert Pujols

Listen, you are making a bet on Duke, so of course it has risk. If you want to bet Duke, would you rather get 91 back or 150?

I understand that but most people were talking about getting guaranteed money back from it. I would rather the $150 but like Southpaw74 said, wouldn't a book have a problem with this type of bet?

James

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by southpaw74

I heard books are looking for that parlay deal and don't like it.

Tough shit. They let you bet parlays, then the non-retards are going to be smart and get the best value.

**Albert Pujols** · 02-13-11, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Flexin

I understand that but most people were talking about getting guaranteed money back from it. I would rather the $150 but like Southpaw74 said, wouldn't a book have a problem with this type of bet?

James

The ones that have a problem won't let you do it. Bookmaker, Bet Jamaica, Bet Phoenix, Betmania don't give a shit.

5 Dimes might but only because their owner is a prick that only likes retards.

**southpaw74** · 02-13-11, 02:18 PM

I figure if I bet my points up to 1k or so to buy a free play then I should have a good chance of doing the same with dollars. If you are decent then you just have to be smart and manage your roll properly...but that's easier said than done as we all know!