Packers vs Steelers : whats your line??

**LT Profits** · 01-17-11, 08:50 PM

Green Bay -3 +100 over Pittsburgh
Green Bay -3.5 over Jets
Pittsburgh -3.5 over Chicago
Jets -3 -105 over Chicago

**jetsjets1028** · 01-17-11, 09:07 PM

packers jets thank you very much

**Cookie Monster** · 01-17-11, 10:06 PM

I think it would end close to pick'em, if Pitt offensive line can be reasonably able to play. If not, GB -2.5 or 3.

**SBR_John** · 01-17-11, 10:58 PM

The SBR Sportsbook has it at Pitt -1 fyi. 500 point max.

**fixxer** · 01-17-11, 11:01 PM

It's an 50/50 game....maybe over is the good choice

**astrodomer** · 01-18-11, 12:29 AM

Green Bay -3 1/2 even money

**RonPaul2008** · 01-18-11, 12:41 AM

No fuckin' way should the Jets be favored over the Bears. F**ck, I would absolutely bet the Bears +3 or better vs the Jets.

**Prop Bet Master** · 01-18-11, 02:14 AM

The current Super Bowl line is AFC -1. So Pittsburgh -1 makes sense.

**SBR_John** · 01-18-11, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Prop Bet Master

The current Super Bowl line is AFC -1. So Pittsburgh -1 makes sense.

Injuries could move the line from this -1. If the Pack hammers the Bears I actually think that will move the line a point to a point and a half. If steelers hammer the Jets I dont think it moves it any. Therefore a big Pack blowout win and I'd make it a PICK or GB -1. If I was going to bet GB I might go ahead and do it now.

**chachi** · 01-18-11, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Injuries could move the line from this -1. If the Pack hammers the Bears I actually think that will move the line a point to a point and a half. If steelers hammer the Jets I dont think it moves it any. Therefore a big Pack blowout win and I'd make it a PICK or GB -1. If I was going to bet GB I might go ahead and do it now.

And when the Bears win, NFC+2 ?

**blackbox** · 01-18-11, 03:15 AM

Pitt -3

**borednaz** · 01-18-11, 03:21 AM

I see this being a trapish -3.5 for pitt. The love green bay will get winning consecutive road games will float tons of public money on the pack.

**Oli** · 01-18-11, 03:55 AM

good luck this week

**KGambler** · 01-18-11, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Prop Bet Master

The current Super Bowl line is AFC -1. So Pittsburgh -1 makes sense.

No, that makes no sense.

Listen, GB is clearly considered the best team left by the books. The futures markets are telling you that. And that includes the fact that the AFC is only -1.

1. GB is considered the best team left.
2. CHI is considered the worst team left
3. to make the SB, GB has to win on the road
4. CHI will be an underdog to either Pitt or NYJ

The best team in the NFC has to overcome playing on the road in order to make the SB. The best team left for the AFC gets to play at home. Chicago is a home dog. If Chicago make the Super Bowl, they will be an underdog against either possible opponent. This is the reason the AFC is -1. The fact that Chicago gets to play at home increases the chance that the worst team left will be representing the NFC. If the NFC championship game were in Green Bay, the line would not be AFC -1 right now. Get it?

Now just look at the futures for who wins the Super Bowl. Green Bay is clearly considered the strongest team left.

I say GB -2 against Pitt.

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Prop Bet Master

The current Super Bowl line is AFC -1. So Pittsburgh -1 makes sense.

Originally posted by LT Profits

People saying that the Steelers are favored are just guessing whereas people saying that the Packers are favored are extrapolating futures. Who are you going to believe?

LT, there are other factors other than "can you beat either of the two teams on the other side on a neutral field"

maybe they feel the first team to ever beat the colts and the patriots back to back might be harder to get through than the first team to go 0-12 on third down and get sacked six times against the seahawks.

i agree the packers will be favored...lots of places will make it attractive to take steelers +3, and that will probably lose. but your logic is flawed. you are not taking into account all variables.

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 05:44 AM

steelers were a bigger favorite for superbowl futures 3 weeks ago...so if you'd have guessed back then that it'd be steelers/ packers- you could guarantee the steelers would be the favorite. right?

**chachi** · 01-18-11, 06:06 AM

What I dont get is why the Bears would have to be a dog to the Jets ... coulda sworn the Jets lost on Christmas weekend ...

Bears pretty much do enough to win and that's that ... no fancy blowouts, no running up the score, just take a lead and dare the other side to beat their defense and not implode upon themselves.

Bears/Pack on the whole during the season to me was a stalemate, both games were one score margin of victory, and both could've gone either way

**Prop Bet Master** · 01-18-11, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by KGambler

No, that makes no sense.

Listen, GB is clearly considered the best team left by the books. The futures markets are telling you that. And that includes the fact that the AFC is only -1.

1. GB is considered the best team left.
2. CHI is considered the worst team left
3. to make the SB, GB has to win on the road
4. CHI will be an underdog to either Pitt or NYJ

The best team in the NFC has to overcome playing on the road in order to make the SB. The best team left for the AFC gets to play at home. Chicago is a home dog. If Chicago make the Super Bowl, they will be an underdog against either possible opponent. This is the reason the AFC is -1. The fact that Chicago gets to play at home increases the chance that the worst team left will be representing the NFC. If the NFC championship game were in Green Bay, the line would not be AFC -1 right now. Get it?

Now just look at the futures for who wins the Super Bowl. Green Bay is clearly considered the strongest team left.

I say GB -2 against Pitt.

If this match up comes to pass, the odds makers may pull the switch on us and make Pittsburgh the favorite, or maybe make it a pick 'em. I don't know. Pittsburgh an underdog to Green Bay in the Super Bowl? I'll have to see it before I believe it.

**Dark Horse** · 01-18-11, 06:10 AM

Superbowl: Bears v Jets No line yet.

People are getting suckered into GB, based on two good games. Everything went their way. Don't count on it happening for a third time in a row. No way they should be favored in Chicago. Packers are praised into the heavens, and too inexperienced to come back down to earth and be truly sharp in time for this game. Bears are angry, claws sharpened. Nothing inspires a team more than being disrespected. And being a home dog here, after they allowed the Packers into the playoffs, is a huge sign of disrespect. The Jets are capable of another game like the one they just played, so Steelers (not very good this time) can cancel their tickets to Dallas as well.

The oddsmakers aren't predicting the winner in the futures market. They have to evaluate how much the public is willing to pay for a team. So of course GB is going to be the most expensive.

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Superbowl: Bears v Jets No line yet.

People are getting suckered into GB, based on two good games. Everything went their way. Don't count on it happening for a third time in a row. No way they should be favored in Chicago. Packers are praised into the heavens, and too inexperienced to come back down to earth and be truly sharp in time for this game. Bears are angry, claws sharpened. Nothing inspires a team more than being disrespected. And being a home dog here, after they allowed the Packers into the playoffs, is a huge sign of disrespect. The Jets are capable of another game like the one they just played, so Steelers (not very good this time) can cancel their tickets to Dallas as well.

The oddsmakers aren't predicting the winner in the futures market. They have to evaluate how much the public is willing to pay for a team. So of course GB is going to be the most expensive.

ohhhh THATS why youre called darkhorse....

its not based on 2 good games, its based on about 6 or 7 Great players. productivity all over the field on both sides of the ball and difference makers from rodgers to matthews to woodson to kuhn to aj hawk to jennings to driver and two other probowlers (O line and safety)

its not because of two good games, its the ease with which they execute and the talent all over the field. the passing and running prowess of aaron rodgers....this is the team to beat.

they lost 6 games this season but they blew out more teams than just the last two games and they have lost by 4 points or less EVERY loss.

31-21 packers (over steelers) GB -3 (-120)

i would love to see jets bears for my jets' future but i really dont see it happening.

**chachi** · 01-18-11, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

People are getting suckered into GB, based on two good games. Everything went their way. Don't count on it happening for a third time in a row. No way they should be favored in Chicago. Packers are praised into the heavens, and too inexperienced to come back down to earth and be truly sharp in time for this game. Bears are angry, claws sharpened. Nothing inspires a team more than being disrespected. And being a home dog here, after they allowed the Packers into the playoffs, is a huge sign of disrespect.

Nail on the head there ... my entire dad's side of the family lives north of Green Bay and they've all emailed me admitting they would have preferred not to play us again / are not looking forward to this weekend

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Glitch

ohhhh THATS why youre called darkhorse....

its not based on 2 good games, its based on about 6 or 7 Great players. productivity all over the field on both sides of the ball and difference makers from rodgers to matthews to woodson to kuhn to aj hawk to jennings to driver and two other probowlers (O line and safety)

its not because of two good games, its the ease with which they execute and the talent all over the field. the passing and running prowess of aaron rodgers....this is the team to beat.

they lost 6 games this season but they blew out more teams than just the last two games and they have lost by 4 points or less EVERY loss.

31-21 packers (over steelers) GB -3 (-120)

i would love to see jets bears for my jets' future but i really dont see it happening.

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**PittsburghPlayer** · 01-18-11, 07:07 AM

Either I do not understand the thread title, or if I do, it is to trick - fukk people into thinking the Steelers win on Sun. As a Steeler fan of course I want the Steelers to win, however I am having my doubts and at the very least will be taking the points.

**Alfie B** · 01-18-11, 07:08 AM

When exactly did they play the conference finals?

I seem to have missed them.

**LT Profits** · 01-18-11, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Glitch

LT, there are other factors other than "can you beat either of the two teams on the other side on a neutral field"

maybe they feel the first team to ever beat the colts and the patriots back to back might be harder to get through than the first team to go 0-12 on third down and get sacked six times against the seahawks.

i agree the packers will be favored...lots of places will make it attractive to take steelers +3, and that will probably lose. but your logic is flawed. you are not taking into account all variables.

All the variables are already taken into account in the future markets, so the Super Bowl line with fall in line with the futures.

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 07:10 AM

its just a guess- another person could start a pack/jets or bears/steel thread. hypothetical ya kno...if they played the conference finals, there would be no need to guess the (consensus most likely) prospective matchups' odds

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

All the variables are already taken into account in the future markets, so the Super Bowl line with fall in line with the futures.

the futures odds keep changing depending on the situation.

if steelers win by 75 and the packers win by 1, the steelers will be favorited more once again.

**LT Profits** · 01-18-11, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Glitch

steelers were a bigger favorite for superbowl futures 3 weeks ago...so if you'd have guessed back then that it'd be steelers/ packers- you could guarantee the steelers would be the favorite. right?

Three weeks ago doesn't matter, the real question is what would the lines be if the games were played now And if this matchup comes to pass, there is no way the Steelers would pass the Packers in the power ratings after the Pack will have won three straight road games, so nothing would change in the ratings between this week and next.

**LT Profits** · 01-18-11, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Glitch

its just a guess- another person could start a pack/jets or bears/steel thread. hypothetical ya kno...if they played the conference finals, there would be no need to guess the (consensus most likely) prospective matchups' odds

I posted all four potential lines in this thread and I don;t expect much to change.

**LT Profits** · 01-18-11, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

No fuckin' way should the Jets be favored over the Bears. F**ck, I would absolutely bet the Bears +3 or better vs the Jets.

OF COURSE the Jets would be favored, the Jets and Steelers are ranked almost even right now, which is why Pittsburgh is only -3.5 at home this week, meaning that Pitt would only be -0.5 over Jets on neutral field.

**maxrage** · 01-18-11, 07:21 AM

Steelers -3 opening line against the Packers...

Steelers -4 game time..

**Glitch** · 01-18-11, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Three weeks ago doesn't matter, the real question is what would the lines be if the games were played now And if this matchup comes to pass, there is no way the Steelers would pass the Packers in the power ratings after the Pack will have won three straight road games, so nothing would change in the ratings between this week and next.

they're NOT playing right now...you are conveniently ignoring my most relevant point:

maybe they feel the first team to ever beat the colts and the patriots back to back might be harder to get through than the first team to go 0-12 on third down and get sacked six times against the seahawks.

for futures- the teams they have to go through matter. for the game spread- they do not.

**Nathan Bug Tyler** · 01-18-11, 07:35 AM

take the pack straight up

**SBR_John** · 01-18-11, 07:35 AM

Packers getting a lot-a-love. Rodgers is hitting on all cylinders. But they snuck by a fading Eagle team and hammered the no pass rush Falcons indoors. A good test and another road game awaits them. Probably a repeat of the Eagle game where GB prevails somehow thanks to having the better QB. Does GB have the better QB and pass rush vs the Steelers? Errr maybe better QB but not pass rush. Gonna be close. Hard to imagine a line up in the 3's or even the 2's. Might even land as a PICKEM.

**blackbart** · 01-18-11, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

I posted all four potential lines in this thread and I don;t expect much to change.

your lines are correct, why do people keep disputing the facts? do they think that we are somehow guessing or something. we are not making this up, only telling what the linesmakers have made it. "they" have made gb 6.5 points better than the bears, justified or not that is what it is. with the jets and steelers 3 pts below green bay.