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  • Thor4140
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    • 02-09-08
    • 22296

    #1
    The great Duke coach
    At what point does this so called legend stop having his team firing up three's?
  • BigOrangeTitans
    SBR MVP
    • 11-23-07
    • 4504

    #2
    When he cant have a top 10 team anymore...
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    • BigOrangeTitans
      SBR MVP
      • 11-23-07
      • 4504

      #3
      this guy doesnt recruit, he hand picks everone. How can he not be a legend?
      One game does not define a guys career...
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      • rjt721
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        • 02-06-07
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        #4
        You're saying he's not a great coach?
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          Too many whites
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          • BigOrangeTitans
            SBR MVP
            • 11-23-07
            • 4504

            #6
            JJ, kind of reminds me Rupp from kentucky...
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            • rm18
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              • 09-20-05
              • 22291

              #7
              Originally posted by jjgold
              Too many whites
              , they both got 3 white guys out there most the time though
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              • Thor4140
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                • 02-09-08
                • 22296

                #8
                Originally posted by rjt721
                You're saying he's not a great coach?
                i would think a great coach would make an adjustment. He can't rely on 50 foul shots a game. He sees his boys struggling start making some plays inside and hope to get the fouls he usually gets.
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                • SBR Lou
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                  • 08-02-07
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                  #9
                  He should have made an adjustment sooner, late in the game there was still a window of time to start attacking the basket and turn it around. Yet it was like watching the same image looped over and over again, try 3.... miss. Give ball back, give up score.

                  Heck, there were a number of series where had they simply tried for an easy bucket the score would have stayed much closer. An adjustment needed to be made.
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                  • pavyracer
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                    • 04-12-07
                    • 82842

                    #10
                    Isn't coach K the coach of the US olympic team? I don't see us winning the gold this summer with him as a coach. He has no plays for his team. He is not great in my book.
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                    • Thor4140
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                      • 02-09-08
                      • 22296

                      #11
                      Originally posted by crazyl
                      He should have made an adjustment sooner, late in the game there was still a window of time to start attacking the basket and turn it around. Yet it was like watching the same image looped over and over again, try 3.... miss. Give ball back, give up score.

                      Heck, there were a number of series where had they simply tried for an easy bucket the score would have stayed much closer. An adjustment needed to be made.
                      After 10 misses in a row you think of some new ideas. After 15 in a row you might want to check yourself into a mental hospital.
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                      • SBR Lou
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                        • 08-02-07
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                        #12
                        LOL @ Duke trying to drive to the basket now with 43 seconds left in the game.........
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                        • Thor4140
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                          • 02-09-08
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pavyracer
                          Isn't coach K the coach of the US olympic team? I don't see us winning the gold this summer with him as a coach. He has no plays for his team. He is not great in my book.
                          Sure these coaches are all legends when they get the best guys. You saw what happen to Bobby Knight when he couldn't get guys at Texas Tech. He threw up his hands and quit and now you can see he is just lurking for a big time college to call. Calapari seems to be the only one to be able to win where ever he goes.
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                          • rjt721
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                            • 02-06-07
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Thor4140
                            i would think a great coach would make an adjustment. He can't rely on 50 foul shots a game. He sees his boys struggling start making some plays inside and hope to get the fouls he usually gets.
                            You're right, they should have pounded the ball inside to their All-American post player. Oh, wait, they don't have anyone that fits that profile.

                            This is how Duke plays. It led them to 28 Ws and a No. 2 seed with a roster that certainly shouldn't have accomplished that much.

                            WVU plays the same game. Was Huggins any less of a coach in the 1H when WVU shot 0-6 from deep? Will you start a thread saying Huggins isn't a great coach when WVU shoots 5/21 from three and Xavier beats them by 12?
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                            • Thor4140
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                              • 02-09-08
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                              #15
                              I bet the Kan St/Wisky game will be brutal to watch. I think both teams are average and most likely Beasley will be put in quick foul trouble so this rotten Wisky team can move on.
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                              • SBR Lou
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                                • 08-02-07
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                                #16
                                I don't think anyone is arguing that the coaching philosophy wasn't successful this year to lead them this far. It's just that, if something is not working all game long, and there are 6 minutes left in the game you might want to mix things up. There didn't seem to be any sort of contingency plan whatsoever, that is borderline arrogance, coaches need to make adjustments based on how an individual game is going.
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                                • Thor4140
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                                  • 02-09-08
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by rjt721
                                  You're right, they should have pounded the ball inside to their All-American post player. Oh, wait, they don't have anyone that fits that profile.

                                  This is how Duke plays. It led them to 28 Ws and a No. 2 seed with a roster that certainly shouldn't have accomplished that much.

                                  WVU plays the same game. Was Huggins any less of a coach in the 1H when WVU shot 0-6 from deep? Will you start a thread saying Huggins isn't a great coach when WVU shoots 5/21 from three and Xavier beats them by 12?
                                  Huggins made the necessary adjustments. Insanity is doing something over and over again knowing it is wrong. Pound the ball in hope you get some fouls and see if a couple of the kids can get there touch back at the line and then go back to the three's. Every coach does it but the legend.
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                                  • BigOrangeTitans
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                                    • 11-23-07
                                    • 4504

                                    #18
                                    If you go for 5-21 from three, and 0-16 most of the 2nd half, you will lose, even if your the fukkin lakers.
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                                    • raydog
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                                      • 11-07-07
                                      • 6984

                                      #19
                                      duke and coack k did well this year with what they had. not so sure they had another game plan to go to because this team was very small and not really capable of running another solid gameplan. little to no inside presence and no real stars would spell trouble for any team. coach k is a top 3 coach year in and year out. duke loses twice as many games this year under a different coach imo. just stupid to say he isnt a great coach
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                                      • rjt721
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                                        • 02-06-07
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Thor4140
                                        Huggins made the necessary adjustments. Insanity is doing something over and over again knowing it is wrong. Pound the ball in hope you get some fouls and see if a couple of the kids can get there touch back at the line and then go back to the three's. Every coach does it but the legend.
                                        That's the point I'm trying to make. Pound the ball inside to whom? Sounds good in theory, but Duke doesn't have an inside presence on the roster.

                                        Duke's a one-dimensional team on the offensive end. They're completely reliant on the three, which made their demise early in the tourney inevitable once those shots stopped falling.
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                                        • Thor4140
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                                          • 02-09-08
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by rjt721
                                          That's the point I'm trying to make. Pound the ball inside to whom? Sounds good in theory, but Duke doesn't have an inside presence on the roster.

                                          Duke's a one-dimensional team on the offensive end. They're completely reliant on the three, which made their demise early in the tourney inevitable once those shots stopped falling.
                                          There is a way with good passing that it could be done. How many times did you see the little guy on WV drop a pass off a foot from the basket? You have to try something even if the percentages are not with ya.
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                                          • purecarnagge
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                                            • 10-05-07
                                            • 4843

                                            #22
                                            dukes been running a Suns style offense. In the pro's you have shooters that can hit that enough. Problem is coach K can't recruit.

                                            His best teams consisted of Hurley, one of the toughest point guards to play college Bball... Both Hills, and then Latner and someone else before him...

                                            Basically duke could run with you duke could slow down and grind you... But this duke team can't do that...

                                            None of the duke teams of the past 2 years could. Duke is on the decline, and unless I see some athletic brouthers in there, they will continue to do so.

                                            yes, duke has tough standards, but he's done it before, he should do it again. Honestly another year or two of this and I would fire coach K.

                                            What have you done for me lately? Bowed out twice in the first round of the Tournament, when highly favored... Alot of coaches have been canned for less than that...
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                                            • jjgold
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                                              • 07-20-05
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                                              #23
                                              Recruiting is the problem, he had some great players for a while but nowadays players going everywhere.
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                                              • thegreatdiatchi
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                                                • 03-07-08
                                                • 1154

                                                #24
                                                Don't get me wrong. I do think Duke has been a big bunch of chokers the past 2 seasons. On top of this I do agree that more balance in recruiting has taken a toll on some (but not all) of the bigger teams. However, even with what he has coach K still gets his team ready to play. That's a sign of a great coach.
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                                                • seaborneq
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                                                  • 09-08-06
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                                                  #25
                                                  Duke's problems have everything to do with Coach K's decision to coach the Olympic team. While K is working with the Olympic team everyone else is recruiting and preparing for the upcoming seasons. Demarcus Nelson would be a 6th or 7th man on some of his none distraction teams. Look at the talent level today versus WVA today. Joe Alexander was the best player on the floor by a long shot. On the other side Paulus, Singler, and Scherer need to be playing at mid major schools
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