stay away from bookmaker

**TRex2828** · 01-04-11, 02:23 PM

How can I come on here and call him out?? Let me see, well, not too tough to figure that one out.....BECAUSE I NEVER CALLED HIM !!!!

Ta Dahhh !!!

Not rocket science here gentleman. Get the story straight...get facts in order...make the calls and inquire before attacking someone.

Or does being an SBR Pro mean you can just write whatever you want and possibly harm someones charactor or a business?

How about calling the Bookmaker sales dept. and speaking to someone who may be able to help the situation before making frivolous claims and accuasations.

Or is that too much like the right thing to do?

Case closed

**infamousbacardi** · 01-04-11, 02:26 PM

Yeah, I never had a problem with Bookmaker personally...and actually, I love their mobile site capabilities through the Iphone...huge bonus, and a big surprise not many other books seem to be tapping into the "mobile friendly" world we live in today.

**sideloaded** · 01-04-11, 02:59 PM

Seems OP got "ripped off" in the casino. He says it's rigged. Well of course it is, what casino isn't?

**Emily_Haines** · 01-04-11, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Nats' Fan

Outright lie..******** is 100% free and I get 2 free per month. Platinum member. Regular members still get one free per month, takes 48 hours.

you must be one of the squares betting their NFL to get the free stuff. Lost all my loyalty points and don't get any free payouts. fuk bookmaker. disgrace to the industry.

**Nicky Santoro** · 01-04-11, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by TRex2828

Hey Nicky, the word, liable, mean anything to you? Guess who? It's Anthony Torres. The guy who has NEVER called you !!! Yes, I work at Bookmaker, but in the affiliate department NOT sales. I was the CS manager for 7 yrs up until this past Sept. But I was NEVER in a position to call up players and get them to deposit.

That's the problem with forums, anyone can write what they want, without any facts or even having thier story straight.

Fortunately, people in here are much smarter than you think they are Nicky, and know Bookmaker is top notch.

hey anthony, stop with the bullshit man.. i still might even have those emails. you dont' remember telling me you won't charge me for withdrawals. you don't remember telling me you would NOT take away the loyalty pts from me for life if i deposited. you don't remember telling me to make sure i lose and i will never have to worry?? well, i lost close to 10k in the first week there and you still took em from me.. and you still charged me. Anthony, i swear i will look for those emails from 5-6 yrs ago.

anthony, i don't lie. no need to lie. you promised me all this and took it back. and i know you remember me.. and i know you know i'm right.. i remember like it was yesterday.

boys, don't forget the name Anthony Torres. this man will clean you out. he's one of the best salesmen of all time. he is smooth. don't make the same mistake i made. if you hear the name Anthony Torres on the phone... HANG UP FAST.. and run............. you'll thank me later.

**sideloaded** · 01-04-11, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by TRex2828

How can I come on here and call him out?? Let me see, well, not too tough to figure that one out.....BECAUSE I NEVER CALLED HIM !!!!

Ta Dahhh !!!

Not rocket science here gentleman. Get the story straight...get facts in order...make the calls and inquire before attacking someone.

Or does being an SBR Pro mean you can just write whatever you want and possibly harm someones charactor or a business?

How about calling the Bookmaker sales dept. and speaking to someone who may be able to help the situation before making frivolous claims and accuasations.

Or is that too much like the right thing to do?

Case closed

Really representing bookmaker well.. lol

**obamaismyuncle** · 01-04-11, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by obamaismyuncle

Tryin' to load up my account for World Cup soccer....and these fuks won't even let me use my ********, the low lifes say ****** only and here's their reasoning....

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'CS - Pam'
CS - Pam: Welcome, nice to have you with us today . . . I’m happy to assist you . . .
you: Book Maker Dear ***********, Having trouble funding with your ****** ?? Please contact us via live chat or our customer service at 800-211-2657 for alternative solutions. Please provide the following code #TX4618604 BKR8777541 Where the Line Originates. Thank you, Customer Service http://www.bookmaker.com 1-866-926-6562
Please provide the following code #TX4616704

you: so whats all this mean?
you: used my **** once in the past and now its not an option
CS - Pam: Let me check your account..
CS - Pam: Thank you for holding..
CS - Pam: Your account is set up for ******* only...
you: why is that?
CS - Pam: You can not use ******* to deposit..
you: did a law get passed against using **********?
CS - Pam: This was a decision as per Fraud and CC department sir.
you: so there was fraud on my account?
CS - Pam: This was a management decision from our CC department
you: what are you talking about
you: ?
you: did someone try to hack my account?
CS - Pam: No sir...
you: then what happened?
you: is this my bank stopping it?
you: ?
CS - Pam: Let me explain you..
you: ok
CS - Pam: I understand that when you have any issue or problem... you writhe to certain forums for an example SBR.. and they try to fix your problem
you: uh no
CS - Pam: When you took that action... and put your complain it cost us a processor...
you: i got a private message from a scott at bookmaker about a processing issue,
you: i never had a processing issue
you: i never ever even requested a payout at that point
CS - Pam: That's why your account won't have the option to deposit with ******
you: there was never any complaint ever put in
you: who did i put a complaint into?
you: you are nuts
you: only thing i ever said on sbr about bookmaker was the mlb lines are horrible
CS - Pam: This was a note that was posted from our CC department... If you believe you did not put any complain...
you: youn have me confused with someone else
you: i guarantee it
CS - Pam: Please be so kind and contact our CC department...
you: I guarantee i never put a complaint in
you: i had nothing to complain about
you: this is how you guys treat your customers?
CS - Pam: Please contact our CC department..

Screw these low lifes.....Bookmaker is a piece of shit book.

Sent Lou a pm to find out wtf is going on

**sideloaded** · 01-04-11, 05:14 PM

Jesus bookmaker sucks, Yes they pay so what. Still a shit book.

**obamaismyuncle** · 01-04-11, 05:16 PM

Bookmaker is complete garbage in every which way...

**obamaismyuncle** · 01-04-11, 05:17 PM

use the search feature and search "Bookmaker" hundreds of complaints will arise.

**Emily_Haines** · 01-04-11, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by obamaismyuncle

use the search feature and search "Bookmaker" hundreds of complaints will arise.

100's try 1000's

I see 3-4 complaints everyday just on this site

**obamaismyuncle** · 01-04-11, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

100's try 1000's

I see 3-4 complaints everyday just on this site

I'm just talking in the last few days, yea would agree with 1000's.

**Sawyer** · 01-04-11, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

actually, aside from them outright lying to you and stealing your money and charging you 300$ for a *****.... they're a decent book.

Very True. Not to mention, they charge 165$ for ** ******, Outrageous! The most funny thing is, they charge 100$ if you like to make book-to-book transfer! It's 200$ if you want transfer to Matchbook. Crazy, LoL.

Originally posted by Emily_Haines

and refusing to post CBB totals, outright lying to you, dealing the shittiest odds of any book out there on soccer, hockey, boxing and mlb, banning you from the loyalty program they're a decent book.

Bookmaker's odds are horrible. Very bad. If you use Bookmaker, then you don't like money lol. Hockey odds are bad. Even handball odds are awful. Baseball odds are crazy. Too much juice. They don't post all ncaa totals either.

Not to mention, their site is too slow and ugly. Interface is really ugly.

Free payout is available only in the beginning. In addition, it costs you betpoints. If you spend your betpoints on something else, you don't get freepayout.

And later, they remove this option.

**obamaismyuncle** · 01-04-11, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Sawyer

Very True. Not to mention, they charge 165$ for ** ********, Outrageous! The most funny thing is, they charge 100$ if you like to make book-to-book transfer! It's 200$ if you want transfer to Matchbook. Crazy, LoL.

Bookmaker's odds are horrible. Very bad. If you use Bookmaker, then you don't like money lol. Hockey odds are bad. Even handball odds are awful. Baseball odds are crazy. Too much juice. They don't post all ncaa totals either.

Not to mention, their site is too slow and ugly. Interface is really ugly.

Free payout is available only in the beginning. In addition, it costs you betpoints. If you spend your betpoints on something else, you don't get freepayout.

And later, they remove this option.

**Jive** · 01-04-11, 11:21 PM

Curious how Bookmaker and other outs can figure out who is who by reading this board. People must be posting chat transcripts or very specific information. That, or... Nah, can't be.

Now I will agree with Sawyer in saying that the lines at BM are below average and reason enough to limit plays there. I play about 10% of my plays there this time of year I think, and go weeks at a time during baseball season and never place a bet at BM.

**the_situation** · 01-05-11, 12:06 AM

Can't believe there's so much hate for Bookmaker..it's not the best book but they pay don't they? I have a lot in there right now...there's still free payouts on Fridays right?

**ehp6737** · 01-05-11, 12:14 AM

very educating thread

**d2bets** · 01-05-11, 12:44 AM

Bookmaker has always been good to me. If you're someone who likes to bet openers, how can you not play at Bookmaker?

**BChrisB** · 01-05-11, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Bookmaker has always been good to me. If you're someone who likes to bet openers, how can you not play at Bookmaker?

As I mentioned, this is probably the only thing their good for.

**Emily_Haines** · 01-05-11, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by d2bets

Bookmaker has always been good to me. If you're someone who likes to bet openers, how can you not play at Bookmaker?

For all the other shit you have to put up with (high fee's, unfair lines, bonus scams) it is not worth it. Anyways places like the Greek and Pinny have the odds up soon after.

**greg66** · 01-05-11, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by d2bets

Bookmaker has always been good to me. If you're someone who likes to bet openers, how can you not play at Bookmaker?

Well if you like to play CBB totals and MLB they are really not an option.

I think a lot of the hatred originates from the fact that when Pinnacle pulled out of the US a lot of us came to really depend on Bookmaker. Now they have taken on a business model that is making them a lot closer to the BOS/Bodog/MVP type of rec books.

As I said in another thread if you want to play NFL, NBA or CBB sides at -110 there is nothing wrong with them. They just need to change their motto from "where the line originates" to "if you're not square we don't care".

I wonder how long those vaunted "openers" will continue be at BM. The trends indicate they won't be around much longer.

**easywinner** · 01-05-11, 05:10 PM

Wow if you guys are seriously in here rippin on Bookmaker then i can only imagine what you would have to say about other books out there. I've never had an issue with bookmaker they are legit. If you have issues with deposits and what not there is a simple solution, move to Vegas and do it the legal way. Pay taxes on your winnings and get your payout whenever you want.

**sideloaded** · 01-05-11, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by easywinner

Wow if you guys are seriously in here rippin on Bookmaker then i can only imagine what you would have to say about other books out there. I've never had an issue with bookmaker they are legit. If you have issues with deposits and what not there is a simple solution, move to Vegas and do it the legal way. Pay taxes on your winnings and get your payout whenever you want.

Right just move to vegas. It's that easy.

**skjjb4** · 01-05-11, 08:09 PM

I also use Bookmaker and can verify two withdrawals a month are free if a platinum member. Their lines are not that bad. I did some searching and when I place my lines they are the same as everyone else. I have ALWAYS been paid from them. IF they were to charge me a small fee for my withdrawals to get paid then that would be worth it. It is better than getting stiffed.

Originally posted by Nats' Fan

Red: Bookmaker has something called **** for withdrawals. You get 1 free per month, takes about 48 hours to get to your ********. Once you've played for awhile, you will get moved up to platinum status. Then you get 2 free per month. 100% free.

**SBR_John** · 01-05-11, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by skjjb4

I also use Bookmaker and can verify two withdrawals a month are free if a platinum member. Their lines are not that bad. I did some searching and when I place my lines they are the same as everyone else. I have ALWAYS been paid from them. IF they were to charge me a small fee for my withdrawals to get paid then that would be worth it. It is better than getting stiffed.

It's the nature of the beast. Players get hot for whatever reason. But if you were to go an a tear of a lifetime where would you want it to be? What book could send you a 6 figure payout without even blinking? For customers who want to play at the biggest and oldest sportsbook around where one of the most respected owners with a 40+ year track record holds the money, they play here.

**mighty maron** · 01-05-11, 08:44 PM

After reading all of this, I dont know what to think. I was going to deposit there but now I will put it on hold.

**sneak-a-peak** · 01-05-11, 09:00 PM

I like the betpoints program. As long as they give me those I will play there.

I like the loyalty rewards programs out there. Its nice after a rough day to get a few chips back in the stack.

**greg66** · 01-06-11, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

It's the nature of the beast. Players get hot for whatever reason. But if you were to go an a tear of a lifetime where would you want it to be? What book could send you a 6 figure payout without even blinking? For customers who want to play at the biggest and oldest sportsbook around where one of the most respected owners with a 40+ year track record holds the money, they play here.

I will acknowledge that but I think you will also acknowledge this book is nowhere near where they were 2-3 years ago. The mere fact that SBR moderators step into a thread to defend BM is telling. In the past BM scoured these forums resolving issues, answering questions and defending themselves. At present there are 3 threads current criticizing them and not one company poster has appeared.

Aside from a few major sports their odds are non bettable to a degree that would make Calvin Ayre blush. On top of that they nibble and qibble on these nusiance fees that do nothing but irritate their customers. To what end?

The major challenge of any bookmaker is to attract volume with the belief in skill of the oddsmaker and the power of -110. By attempting to cherry pick markets and customers they reject the very tenet upon which bookmaking is based. While they have gotten beaten pretty badly on CBB totals the past few years, this year the players have not done very well. Where is BM to recoup their losses? Largely sitting out the game. What is next? If the public crushes NFL for a couple fo years will they move to -120?

For every winning player they manage to tick off they lose 4-5 more who perceive themselves to be winning players. How do they counter? Increasing bonuses, reward points and aggressive cold calling.

So no sweat on a 6 figure pay out here. That is true. But exactly what is their end game? Because I see a very successful Pinnacle on one end of the spectrum and I see BM moving to the other end. And we all know where that end inevitably lands.

**SportsBettingPro** · 01-06-11, 01:02 PM

My advice: stay away from pointless threads like this one or you'll waste 10 minutes of your life reading nonsense, like I did. LOL. (Refering mostly to teh first page)

**rick50time** · 03-29-11, 11:03 PM

bookmaker just charged me for a deposit i never made....and they wont send me proof or let me hear the phone call of the deposit i made...sounds shady to me

**Legions36** · 03-30-11, 01:01 AM

Whoever says to stay away from bookmaker as you might not get paid has got to be the biggest idiot i ever met. They are one of the most trusted brands out there and OP says to say away, i think he might have the grading system wrong.

**P.F.Kasooff** · 03-30-11, 01:07 AM

This thread is full of stupid. So I'm out!

**Eagle1958** · 03-30-11, 01:30 AM

Good solid book for the most part with only a few glitches

**King Mayan** · 03-30-11, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

The real Cosmo kramer.. DEFINITELY 100% first ballot hall of famer. one of the best characters of all time.. i'd say only Archie Bunker is better in tv history.

Nate, thanks for the pts, you didn't have to.. frizzel, thanks for that avatar, you made my day. i love that fat guy.. he's a legend.

**NEW_WORLD** · 03-30-11, 03:47 AM

i used my 730 pts to deposit 50$, hope my experience will be fine with them