first black president came at the wrong time

[Carseller4]

Obama apologists suck. Remember Harry Truman? "The Buck stops here!" Not...."Blame it on Bush."

[statnerds]

ask any economist what happens in an economic recession and they will all tell you the same thing

the government increases spending to help get the economy recover, and that happens over a number of years, not in one day

In the future avoid generalizations and blanket statements with no sourcing. Government spending is a flawed response to recessions and will slow down recovery, if not trigger a deeper recession. See the 1930s in America. See the lost decade in Japan.

You seem to not realize that the government spending doesn't exist. It isn't their money. It is the money of the America people. So when you increase spending, you have to increase taxes. Increasing taxes means less people get hired by small business. Less people working means less payroll taxes stolen by the government. Extended unemployment is just another tax on small business.

He is the most under-qualified President in the history of these United States.

[C-Gold]

obama inherited a country in financial turmoil while engaged in two costly wars which are nearly impossible to withdraw from, and this while entering into a global recession

his task isnt difficult, its insurmountable, and people waiting around the corner to attack him are jumping out of the woodwork

he isnt responisble for the state of the economy, the people before him brought it to its knees, he isnt responsible for the war, his predecessors started it and he has to find the solution on how to finish it

the worst part is the health care system, he is trying to give healthcare to the people who cant afford it and instead of being praised for it he is attacked and called a communist by people that dont even know what that word means

communism is an invisible enemy that american politicians invented to scare the people into submission

Bogus post.

This is what losers say. Obama failed so now after the fact you say it was fixed and he was doomed to fail. On Jan 21, 2009 Obama could walk on water... Now Obama was doomed to fail. It's like the people that bet on the game and cry fix after they lose.

2. You want to talk about the war? Obama said he was going to close Gitmo and end the wars... You didn't think that meant sending 40,000 more combat troops to afghan either?

3. Communism is made up? Tell that to the people machine gunned down trying to run away from North Korea. Tell that to the 10 million dead souls Stalin killed. You leftist socialists are responsible for so much killing and hurt, and the sad thing is that you guys say you are out for the little guy... Just give my (dictator) a little control, and he'll help the poor... until shit really hits the fan and his power corrupts him and he starts "punishing his enemies" as your leader said a few weeks ago.

Obama is a one and done joke. He failed because he's arrogant, unqualified, and not a very good leader.

[maersksealand]

you make a valid point, now that you have explained it to me i see were i was wrong

by the way i am being sarcastic, i am letting you know because you probably lack the inteligence to figure that out, people like you should be put to death just because you contaminate the gene pool and degrade mankind

I'm not your father, so is not my obligation to teach what life is. First of all you have to understand that the big corporations, banks and the military-industrial complex is running the show in US, so those are the guys who decide when a war start or ends...Obama is just a puckin' idiot unable to put together two sentences without a teleprompter...the politicians are there just to give you the illusion of freedom, the political system is set in place to protect and enforce the wishes of the interests I mentioned early.

So the wars are not ending because many people are making a lot of money, plus they have other interests, like control over the region,natural resources, etc. Try to understand dummy, is not about USA...USA is bullshiat, propaganda, the soldiers are send to die for the FED, Goldman Sachs,BkofAma, GE, Shell, BP, Halliburton...the war on terror is just a farce, the only form of terrorism is Gov. sponsored terrorism.

The troops can be brought home in a month if someone will really be interested to do it...

[rkelly110]

Black people should play sports, or smoke Newports and live on welfare. Not lead the most powerfull country in the world.

He does that now! He plays B ball, probably still smokes and when
his term is done, he will be on the best govt welfare, ever!

[wtf]

the press loves this guy, so he might get re-elected

i did not notice in the american press coverage of his recent trip to hawaii, apparently it cost over 3 million dollars, only the uk press covered it
cause it is stuff like this that pisses voters off, the press knows this

[windwind]

its politic its a rich ppls game.

[jwbama23]

not everyone can become a private business owner you tool, and judging from your writing i doubt you are one either, you dont sound bright enough, statistically, 9 out of 10 new business fail within a few months, not to mention that starting a business needs capital, which means if you are not rich to begin with then you are stuck to being poor

try telling the IRS im not a business owner tool! In this country anyone can start a business and most dont cost much to start up. Problem is most people in this country are lazy and want something for nothing. Your friend should of found a job that paid more or got a second job on the side. Do I feel sorry for him that he is broke and living with relatives? NOPE I was broke too when I first got my business up and going. Part of life is working your way up. The guys that were making all of the money where your buddy was at had paid their dues. Dont talk to me about intelligence, Ive read all of your posts and its clear you are broke and want to blame the wealthy for your inability to have any drive. Like most from your side.

[milwaukee mike]

He does that now! He plays B ball, probably still smokes and when
his term is done, he will be on the best govt welfare, ever!

"probably" still smokes?
do 5 seconds worth of research and you will realize obama is a chain smoker

[gwiz]

you say most are lazy and want something for nothing then assign this quality to poor people,I would contend that there are plenty of lazy rich people who while lazy are still motivated and find ways of making plenty of money by lying stealing and killing and are exponentially more dangerous than a lazy poor person

I like the tom sawyer argument, Tom was lazy but he found a way to get his work done. He created slaves through intellect

[Slim]

I hope everyone enjoys paying for obama's hawaiian trip.

[jwbama23]

you say most are lazy and want something for nothing then assign this quality to poor people,I would contend that there are plenty of lazy rich people who while lazy are still motivated and find ways of making plenty of money by lying stealing and killing and are exponentially more dangerous than a lazy poor person I like the tom sawyer argument, Tom was lazy but he found a way to get his work done. He created slaves through intellect

You are right, there are rich people who are lazy. But for every one of them do you know how many poor people who are even lazier? You do realize about 99% of the poor people in this country at some point in their life made a decision to do what they are doing and also made a decision to not make a change. I dont accept anyone complaining about being broke or poor. If you dont like it change it. Its not like we live in a third world country that has no free enterprise system in place. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because they keep doing what they did to get to that point.

[Flying Dutchman]

Consider this: Obama's DOJ is still using the Patriot Act to spy on you dumb-shit Americans...

...now you gotta ask yourself, why didn't he repeal it if he thought it was so bad? He certainly dissed it in the campaign and he had the majorities in both houses.

You stupid fvks live in a Police State.

[rkelly110]

Where are you from Dutchy? If you're Dutch, how's living with all those Muslims working out?
I'll bet your surveillance is 3 times worse than ours, you just don't know it.

[MadTiger]

Politics subforum.

Thank you.

[shock11]

obama easiest worst black president in are history

[MadTiger]

the press loves this guy, so he might get re-elected i did not notice in the american press coverage of his recent trip to hawaii, apparently it cost over 3 million dollars, only the uk press covered it cause it is stuff like this that pisses voters off, the press knows this

In the Information Age, this post doesn't hold much truth. Links are from all over the place, and the info on his homecoming trip was readily available. I don't know how you could say it wasn't covered in the US, when I read about it on a US website (run by a neo-con, too!).

[joe blow]

obama inherited a country in financial turmoil while engaged in two costly wars which are nearly impossible to withdraw from, and this while entering into a global recession

his task isnt difficult, its insurmountable, and people waiting around the corner to attack him are jumping out of the woodwork

he isnt responisble for the state of the economy, the people before him brought it to its knees, he isnt responsible for the war, his predecessors started it and he has to find the solution on how to finish it

the worst part is the health care system, he is trying to give healthcare to the people who cant afford it and instead of being praised for it he is attacked and called a communist by people that dont even know what that word means

communism is an invisible enemy that american politicians invented to scare the people into submission

Great post...I agree 100%

[MadTiger]

Politics subforum, please. (Edit comments after moved, if it makes thread more readable.)

[Hotdiggity11]

the press loves this guy, so he might get re-elected

i did not notice in the american press coverage of his recent trip to hawaii, apparently it cost over 3 million dollars, only the uk press covered it
cause it is stuff like this that pisses voters off, the press knows this

Or because presidents go on vacations every year around Christmas time and thus it isn't anything new?


Plus

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/25/obamas-agenda-calls-quiet-christmas/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/29/obamas-12-days-of-christmas/

http://bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/an-obama-christmas-vacation-in-hawaii-9273.gallery

Not really a big secret.

[crustyme]

obama has done an excellent job.

i remember back in march 2009, every neocon blogger blaming obama for dow dropping to 6300 and predicting another depression. of course that never happened as dow gained 90% and economy has grown leaps and bounds. neocons now claim it was never that bad. the fact of the matter is, it was that bad and we were headed towards another great depression. the govt stimulus saved the economy from brink of disaster.

all neocons have to do is pick up a history book and read up on the great depression back in 1929-1939 which came about due to republican president hoover's refusal to intervene with govt stimulus that led to 10 years of record unemployment and suffering. we wouldve headed down the same path had it not been for obamas stimuluses.

as for obama not keeping his campaign promises:

- promised to withdraw combat troops out of iraq (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

-promised to send additional troops to Afghanistan (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to repeal the dont ask dont tell (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to secure our borders (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to reform national healthcare (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

as for neocons attacking him for taking vacations..... bush spent over 40% of his presidency on vacation! he took a month long vacation a day after being told al qaeda planned to hijack planes.

[rkelly110]

Have to agree, crusty, on the depression diversion.

[RonPaul2008]

He definitely inherited a country in bad shape, but that doesn't mean he isn't a really, really, really, really bad president.

[Hotdiggity11]

Have to agree, crusty, on the depression diversion.

I remember when people were acting like the DOW was the be all and end all of economic indicators when it was in the 6k-7k range. Now it is closing in on 14k and it apparently no longer matters.

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

the fact of the matter is, it was that bad and we were headed towards another great depression. the govt stimulus saved the economy from brink of disaster.

none of the above is 'fact."

all neocons have to do is pick up a history book and read up on the great depression back in 1929-1939 which came about due to republican president hoover's refusal to intervene with govt stimulus that led to 10 years of record unemployment and suffering.

or you could pick up an other book and read about how some economists believe that FDR's policies (quite similar to Obama's) prolonged the Depression for years on end.

read here:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."

That study was done by non-partisan economists.

There are many economists that share that view-had there not been a stimulus, there would have been a more severe "crash" than what we experienced. However, we've been in a long period of sluggish recovery-if you can even call it that. Which has led to speculation that had there not been a stimulus (a large amount of that money also was not spent smartly), the economy would have bounced back already and we'd be better off at this point.

[rocky502]

obama has done an excellent job.

i remember back in march 2009, every neocon blogger blaming obama for dow dropping to 6300 and predicting another depression. of course that never happened as dow gained 90% and economy has grown leaps and bounds. neocons now claim it was never that bad. the fact of the matter is, it was that bad and we were headed towards another great depression. the govt stimulus saved the economy from brink of disaster.

all neocons have to do is pick up a history book and read up on the great depression back in 1929-1939 which came about due to republican president hoover's refusal to intervene with govt stimulus that led to 10 years of record unemployment and suffering. we wouldve headed down the same path had it not been for obamas stimuluses.

as for obama not keeping his campaign promises:

- promised to withdraw combat troops out of iraq (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) What is the difference between combat troop and a troop that is still in Iraq? Two more American Non-combat troops were killed in Iraq this past week. Maybe Obama can call the families and tell them that at least they are not "combat troops".

-promised to send additional troops to Afghanistan (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) How's that been working out for the left wing? Just because the media is no longer celebrating when our brave soldiers are killed and celebrities no longer give a shit now that their guy is president, does not make it not a fact that more troops than ever are dying for nothing.

- promised to repeal the dont ask dont tell (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) Let's not crown him the king of the fight for the gay community just yet. Remember during his campaign debate what his stance on marriage was?

- promised to secure our borders (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) Our Borders are now secure? When did this happen?

- promised to reform national healthcare (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED) If you use the cash bar/open bar analogy of consumption on this, you will realize where this is heading. Very unlikely that this thing pays for itself.
as for neocons attacking him for taking vacations..... bush spent over 40% of his presidency on vacation! he took a month long vacation a day after being told al qaeda planned to hijack planes.

The next two years will definitely be very telling on what kind of leader he is. It should have been easy to lead the past two years with dominant majorities in the house and senate. Now he is going to have to work across the aisle like he promised all along. Hopefully he will get some advisors in place that have a more diverse view on economics than the ones that left. I would like to see him put in place some people who have some real-world business experience instead of the booksmart eggheads that are now gone (due to failure).

[DwightShrute]

obama has done an excellent job.

i remember back in march 2009, every neocon blogger blaming obama for dow dropping to 6300 and predicting another depression. of course that never happened as dow gained 90% and economy has grown leaps and bounds. neocons now claim it was never that bad. the fact of the matter is, it was that bad and we were headed towards another great depression. the govt stimulus saved the economy from brink of disaster.

all neocons have to do is pick up a history book and read up on the great depression back in 1929-1939 which came about due to republican president hoover's refusal to intervene with govt stimulus that led to 10 years of record unemployment and suffering. we wouldve headed down the same path had it not been for obamas stimuluses.

as for obama not keeping his campaign promises:

- promised to withdraw combat troops out of iraq (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

-promised to send additional troops to Afghanistan (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to repeal the dont ask dont tell (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to secure our borders (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to reform national healthcare (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

as for neocons attacking him for taking vacations..... bush spent over 40% of his presidency on vacation! he took a month long vacation a day after being told al qaeda planned to hijack planes.

[Bill Dozer]

He talked of increasing liberties and smaller government and is doing the opposite. He lost his supporters for that. He said he was going to close Guantanamo and instead introduced the ability to indefinitely hold people without charging them. He said whistle blowers shouldn't be punished and now Biden is calling Wikileaks a criminal outfit and Bradley is in solitary. The internet may be censored by the end of his first term.

[Carseller4]

obama has done an excellent job.

i remember back in march 2009, every neocon blogger blaming obama for dow dropping to 6300 and predicting another depression. of course that never happened as dow gained 90% and economy has grown leaps and bounds. neocons now claim it was never that bad. the fact of the matter is, it was that bad and we were headed towards another great depression. the govt stimulus saved the economy from brink of disaster.

all neocons have to do is pick up a history book and read up on the great depression back in 1929-1939 which came about due to republican president hoover's refusal to intervene with govt stimulus that led to 10 years of record unemployment and suffering. we wouldve headed down the same path had it not been for obamas stimuluses.

as for obama not keeping his campaign promises:

- promised to withdraw combat troops out of iraq (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

-promised to send additional troops to Afghanistan (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to repeal the dont ask dont tell (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to secure our borders (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

- promised to reform national healthcare (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED)

as for neocons attacking him for taking vacations..... bush spent over 40% of his presidency on vacation! he took a month long vacation a day after being told al qaeda planned to hijack planes.

promised to close Club Gitmo (MISSION ACC.......errrr nevermind)

[brooks85]

Its unsettling how many people still support obama.

[wtf]

Or because presidents go on vacations every year around Christmas time and thus it isn't anything new?


Plus

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/25/obamas-agenda-calls-quiet-christmas/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/29/obamas-12-days-of-christmas/

http://bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/an-obama-christmas-vacation-in-hawaii-9273.gallery

Not really a big secret.

your post PROVES MY POINT

the issue was not that he went on vacation

the issue was IT COST 3 MILLION DOLLARS of tax payers money to finance it, when he could have went to epcot center for 200k

[eidolon]

because if he fails, racists and simple minded people will blame it on the colour of his skin

and will make it harder for there to be a second african american president

or people might blame it on the color of his skin, and that is the only reason he was voted in

[TU]

Mushroom he is a nice guy but a Socialist, we need him out.

Another tool that is easily persuaded. So many squares around here. At least they keep the books in business for the rest of us.

[TU]

an idiot is an idiot no matter the skin color, Obama was the wrong man, the first black president should have been Collin Powel.

Why are you guys all complete morons? You couldn't even spell part of his name right. **** me.

[TU]

I hope everyone enjoys paying for obama's hawaiian trip.

Moron.