first black president came at the wrong time

[SportsMushroom]

obama inherited a country in financial turmoil while engaged in two costly wars which are nearly impossible to withdraw from, and this while entering into a global recession

his task isnt difficult, its insurmountable, and people waiting around the corner to attack him are jumping out of the woodwork

he isnt responisble for the state of the economy, the people before him brought it to its knees, he isnt responsible for the war, his predecessors started it and he has to find the solution on how to finish it

the worst part is the health care system, he is trying to give healthcare to the people who cant afford it and instead of being praised for it he is attacked and called a communist by people that dont even know what that word means

communism is an invisible enemy that american politicians invented to scare the people into submission

[Dad]

The color of his skin matters why?

[jjgold]

Mushroom he is a nice guy but a Socialist, we need him out.

[SportsMushroom]

The color of his skin matters why?

because if he fails, racists and simple minded people will blame it on the colour of his skin

and will make it harder for there to be a second african american president

[Dad]

well at least he's half white too.

[Flying Dutchman]

The color of his skin matters why?

I love Dad.

Great threads, great posts.

[SportsMushroom]

Mushroom he is a nice guy but a Socialist, we need him out.

no he is not

socialism, like communism is just another word used by politicians in america to scare people into agreeing with them

[Dad]

I love Dad.

Great threads, great posts.

[HoldEmHook!!]

he isnt responsible my ass, he gave more money for stimulus that put this country into a bigger hole. He has followed through on none of his campaign promises.....IMO people who voted for him just because he was black now realize what a mistake that was. Obama had little political expierence, not near enough to be president.....but as always the middle class continues to support the poor and lazy

[MEATHEAD]

Black people should play sports, or smoke Newports and live on welfare. Not lead the most powerfull country in the world.

[P.F.Kasooff]

Economy will pick-up in 2011, unemployment will fall some too. He will get reelected.

[HoldEmHook!!]

an idiot is an idiot no matter the skin color, Obama was the wrong man, the first black president should have been Collin Powel.

[SportsMushroom]

he isnt responsible my ass, he gave more money for stimulus that put this country into a bigger hole.

this is exactly what i am talking about, no matter what he does he is blamed

ask any economist what happens in an economic recession and they will all tell you the same thing

the government increases spending to help get the economy recover, and that happens over a number of years, not in one day

you just proved what i said, obama is being blamed for the recession, which is a global phenomenon

its ludacris to blame one man for what is probably an unstoppable force of economics, throughout history the world economy has gone throught recessions and booms in cyclical fashion

[milwaukee mike]

1) obama isn't black he's mulatto
2) the president of the united states has no power whatsoever, these guys are just puppets that spend 90% of their time on vacation, playing golf/basketball, etc

federal reserve owns this country and has for almost 100 years now

why do you think you've been told that we have to stay at war? there's no reason other than money to be at war with countries that have no ability to threaten you

[SportsMushroom]

1) obama isn't black he's mulatto
2) the president of the united states has no power whatsoever, these guys are just puppets that spend 90% of their time on vacation, playing golf/basketball, etc

federal reserve owns this country and has for almost 100 years now

why do you think you've been told that we have to stay at war? there's no reason other than money to be at war with countries that have no ability to threaten you

i agree with what you are saying, although some people would call you somewhat of a conspiracy theorist

anyhow

1) he is considered the first african american president so if he is 100% black or 50% has no bearing to this conversation

2) even if he is a pawn or not, he is being blamed for things he had nothing to do with, blamed by some engaging in political propaganda, and blamed by others motivated by racism, that is the point i am trying to make

[Jonah]

Depends on how you look at it, I guess.

[ACoochy]

he isnt responsible my ass, he gave more money for stimulus that put this country into a bigger hole. He has followed through on none of his campaign promises.....IMO people who voted for him just because he was black now realize what a mistake that was. Obama had little political expierence, not near enough to be president.....but as always the middle class continues to support the rich and wealthy

Thought id correct that for you....If you live in a extreme capitalist environment (ie USA) then the rich take from the poor and middle class...Look at how that turned out 4 you guys (even before obama was elected)...Not his fault he inherited a morris minor that was once a bentley....Y do u think the divide between rich and poor continues to grow if this wasnt the case?? If u lived in a 'socialist' economy then the poor and middle class would take from the rich (as the theory of socialism is about 'spreading the wealth') but judging by the amount of millionaires and billionaires in the US its clear on face value who pays for whom and who takes from whom....How do u think ur country got into 11 trillion dollars in debt anyway Im sure all the poor and middle class ppl got together and put pressure on governments to deregulate the banking systems that caused this to begin with ...GL

[Facepunch]

Are you new to politics mushroom?
there is and always will be venom for the president, especially in times of hardship.
2 wars great recession, out of control spending and taxation. People do not like to pay for failure.

[philswin]

I could care less what color the President is stop taxing us to death, stop growing the Govt, stop allowing illegal immigration, let people live the life they choose with the individual freedom this country was founded on.

[DwightShrute]

color matters to some but not me.

If he was smug, arrogant, sat in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years, spent wasted hundreds of billions on idiotic programs like cash for clunkers, beer summits, lied about transparency and was white or any other race or gender, I would still call him a terrible president.

[Facepunch]

Thought id correct that for you....If you live in a extreme capitalist environment (ie USA) then the rich take from the poor and middle class...Look at how that turned out 4 you guys (even before obama was elected)...Not his fault he inherited a morris minor that was once a bentley....Y do u think the divide between rich and poor continues to grow if this wasnt the case?? If u lived in a 'socialist' economy then the poor and middle class would take from the rich (as the theory of socialism is about 'spreading the wealth') but judging by the amount of millionaires and billionaires in the US its clear on face value who pays for whom and who takes from whom....How do u think ur country got into 11 trillion dollars in debt anyway Im sure all the poor and middle class ppl got together and put pressure on governments to deregulate the banking systems that caused this to begin with ...GL

Actually the fair housing act which was supposed to give poor and minorities a chance to own a home, was the single largest contributing factor to the sub-prime market.

[SportsMushroom]

Are you new to politics mushroom?
there is and always will be venom for the president, especially in times of hardship.
2 wars great recession, out of control spending and taxation. People do not like to pay for failure.

that is why the topic is 'first black president came at the wrong time'

because these are times of hardship and it was obvious what was to come, and he would not be judged solely on his merits

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

If u lived in a 'socialist' economy then the poor and middle class would take from the rich (as the theory of socialism is about 'spreading the wealth') but judging by the amount of millionaires and billionaires in the US its clear on face value who pays for whom and who takes from whom...

yeah, wrong. completely and totally wrong.

um, the top 50% of wage earners in the US pay about 97% of the income taxes collected. And the top 25% of wage earners pay about 86% of all the income tax collected.

[SportsMushroom]

yeah, wrong. completely and totally wrong.

um, the top 50% of wage earners in the US pay about 97% of the income taxes collected. And the top 25% of wage earners pay about 86% of all the income tax collected.

and yet the wealthiest 1% of the population owns roughly 34.4% of the nations net worth, the top 10% of the population owns over 10% and the bottom 40% owns less than 1%

some economists are talking about the death of the middle class, you are either rich or poor

why? because while the rich pay more in quantative terms, relatively they are not affected as much, if you have 2 billion and get taxed 50% you are still a billionaire

if you have 1000 dollars and get taxed 30%, the 300 dollars makes the difference between having money to buy groceries or not

because VAT is the same if you are rich or poor, and for the rich it doesnt really matter, but for the poor it makes a big difference

because taxes paid by the rich end up back in the pockets of the rich, taxes paid by the poor end up in the pockets of the rich too

the US spent 607.000.000.000 (putting in the zeros to make you understand how much money that is) in 2008 on defence(that much money could end world poverty), imagine how many fat cows have gotten fatter from that amount, obama wants to use some of that to give healthcare to the poor and there is an outcry, because the rich are afraid of earning less money

the irony is that even people that cant afford healthcare protest agains a public healthcare system, goes to show how brainwashed and stupid people can be

[louis.ana]

we didn't have much choice...

McCain was off the wall and a poor decision maker, his choice of Palin for short term profit was "shooting from the hip" but lost the election in the end.. his second failed campaign I believe

Clinton is the true socialist, not Obama. It was her agenda to reform healthcare. I remember so many doctors being so against her, telling me of her plans of healthcare when her campaign started. I also remember that little meeting she had with Obama closer to the end of her campaign when she realized she had no chance of winning, probably made some "deal" to get Obama through the election with strings attached of course... the health care reform to be pursued (now pending due to it being constitutional or not) and her little position as Secretary of State.

Also, if my memory serves me well, it was the bush administration that lined up the Stimulus plan for the next administration, whoever it was.. giving little or no choice to whomever was to be elected but to follow through on what needed to be completed keeping the real dealers hands clean. If Obama had any balls, or if he was presidential, he would of changed gears once he was elected and there would be no stimulus for the banks. He would of let the smaller banks fail, to be consolidated by the larger banks.. and then pursue to dissolve the Federal Reserve, let the government print its own money while heavily regulating the handful of larger banks remaining to keep the governments money in control.

Obama became president not because he was black, he won the election because at that moment he out of the rest was able to "sell it", whatever it was.. he was able to sell you hope, change, bringing the troops back, stimulus, the economy, healthcare, etc. His marketing team was dynamo, obama t-shirts, buttons, women for obama, "leaked" pictures of him on the beach in tabloids, youtube groupies making clips about him, his website, his book, pay per click campaigns online (with his mug on the home page of high traffic sites like CNN.com), his myspace / facebook.. and of course for the main reason that makes the difference between a good politician and a great politician.. he was able to sell you lies.

browse youtube one day, do a search for "obama lies".. or my favorite "obama lies 7 times in under 2 minutes" to get an idea of him just blowing smoke. There are some other clips of him giving speeches with many phrases/lines coming from movies or speeches given from previous politicians/leaders. Obama would of made a great actor, kinda like Reagan made a great president.

If Obama knocked on your front door selling you a vacuum cleaner, you would buy the upgrade with the 5-year warranty.

[nosniboR11]

dumbaS#

[maersksealand]

"obama inherited a country in financial turmoil while engaged in two costly wars which are nearly impossible to withdraw from"

that's all what I read from your post, enough to understand you're an idiot.

[jwbama23]

he isnt responsible my ass, he gave more money for stimulus that put this country into a bigger hole. He has followed through on none of his campaign promises.....IMO people who voted for him just because he was black now realize what a mistake that was. Obama had little political expierence, not near enough to be president.....but as always the middle class continues to support the poor and lazy

Holdem, my friend. Havent you learned, you cant argue with these left wing nut jobs. Better off ignoring them. They think the rich should sponsor the poor instead of the poor getting off their fat asses picking up some fukking work boots and getting out and working. They have the same oppurtunities as anyone else. Minorities can get an education and spend less than whites and get accepted to schools while not having the same academic credentials. But because someone is too lazy to take advantage of their oppurtunities, myself and other people who work our asses off on a daily basis to provide more and more have to pay a higher percentage of our income in taxes. Yes that is socialism. Why because I decide to become self employed and build a business from the ground up so I can live a nice life for myself and my family, should I have to pay a higher percentage of my money than ole bubba who decided High School wasnt for him so he left in 8th grade so he could start working 5am-4pm as a ** Donalds fry cook making minimum wage? Its bull shit. People in America should be able to make alot of money without the government getting to put their hands on half of it.

[BookTaker]

we need an alchoholic/weed head hippy preisdent.

But it doesnt matter who is president. The people really controling the country are others who tell the president what to do and probably the military.

[DwightShrute]

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[SportsMushroom]

"obama inherited a country in financial turmoil while engaged in two costly wars which are nearly impossible to withdraw from"

that's all what I read from your post, enough to understand you're an idiot.

you make a valid point, now that you have explained it to me i see were i was wrong

by the way i am being sarcastic, i am letting you know because you probably lack the inteligence to figure that out, people like you should be put to death just because you contaminate the gene pool and degrade mankind

[t-bone]

he isnt responsible my ass, he gave more money for stimulus that put this country into a bigger hole. He has followed through on none of his campaign promises.....IMO people who voted for him just because he was black now realize what a mistake that was. Obama had little political expierence, not near enough to be president.....but as always the middle class continues to support the poor and lazy

[SportsMushroom]

Holdem, my friend. Havent you learned, you cant argue with these left wing nut jobs. Better off ignoring them. They think the rich should sponsor the poor instead of the poor getting off their fat asses picking up some fukking work boots and getting out and working. They have the same oppurtunities as anyone else. Minorities can get an education and spend less than whites and get accepted to schools while not having the same academic credentials. But because someone is too lazy to take advantage of their oppurtunities, myself and other people who work our asses off on a daily basis to provide more and more have to pay a higher percentage of our income in taxes. Yes that is socialism. Why because I decide to become self employed and build a business from the ground up so I can live a nice life for myself and my family, should I have to pay a higher percentage of my money than ole bubba who decided High School wasnt for him so he left in 8th grade so he could start working 5am-4pm as a ** Donalds fry cook making minimum wage? Its bull shit. People in America should be able to make alot of money without the government getting to put their hands on half of it.

you are half right

there are people that work hard and make a lot of money, but there are those that earn a lot of money and do nothing at all

and yes there are those that are poor because they are lazy but there are also people that work harder than anyone else but yet are still poor

and not everyone has the opportunity to go to university you know, nowdays to put yourself through college in america you need in excess of 100.000 dollars

i could give you a lot of examples, but i;ll give you one of a person i know, he finished school, went to uni, got his degree, and got a job immediately, he was working for years at a big firm earning pennies while his bosses were getting rich, he had to live with relatives cause he had to choose between rent or food, and thank god that he lives in a country with a public health care system because when something came up he couldnt pay for a private doctor

not everyone can become a private business owner you tool, and judging from your writing i doubt you are one either, you dont sound bright enough, statistically, 9 out of 10 new business fail within a few months, not to mention that starting a business needs capital, which means if you are not rich to begin with then you are stuck to being poor, money attracts money

yes the government can use our money to fund wars all around the globe but god forbid they use some of that money to help out those who cant afford a doctor

i was watching that michael moore documentary, a guy cut off his finger while working, the hospital asks him for 80.000 to reatach it and he cant afford it so he loses his finger, which he obviously needs because he is a manual labourer, but its ok as long as the rich get richer

[wunwun]

Obama is a good man in a tough situation.
SportsMushroom

[Jive]

He didn't come at the wrong time, he is the wrong man. And ANYONE who thinks he is "a good man" hasn't read a lick of what he has written, looked at who his friends and mentors are, or paid the scantest bit of attention to what he is doing as President. Or they are just lost.

When he wasn't busy "community organizing," the man has spent 20 years writing about how he wanted to tear down America, for goodness sake. Yeah, I know that is the typical left ideology, but it is still patently evil.