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[Robyn]

You spell my name right, unlike most of the other guys here. So, yep.

[RageWizard]

The Irish built America... LOL . What a joke. You should do stand-up.

To a large extent this is true. When my Irish ancestors came over they were doing the jobs that slaves weren't even used for. Check the history books, the Irish were lower than shit.

[swede96]

Here's Sweden's contribution to the African Slave trade...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_slave_trade

And I have done research on my ancestors with my cousins and we haven't found any connection between our family and the slave trade. We're country folk.

[swede96]

All people with European ancestry have benefited from the exploitation of Africa and the enslavement of Africans. That's a fact - accept it. You can twist the finer details with Euro-logic forever, but the fact still remains.

Africa has more natural resources than any other continent on earth (certainly more than Europe). How is it that there are only two black billionaires in Forbes Magazine and they're both media moguls? Africa should be the world's superpower. What could you sell to Africa that it's not capable of producing on it's own?

How did Europe magically become so rich? Does Europe have oil? Does Europe have gold mines? Does Europe grow coffee?

NO.

Think what you want dude. No one in my family ever owned slaves. Though I cannot speak for my Viking ancestors...we didn't get back that far.

Now, if we owe African Americans anything for slavery, then you asshole owe women some sort of payback for not being able to vote all those years and we'd like to be reimbursed for all those bras we had to burn to get your attention. Thanks.

[swede96]

no responses... (figures)

Come-on... Curious, Swede96 - "where u at?"

I had gone home for the day...and I see no reason to get any more into this with you. You're stuck in your ways and I have no energy for an e-war this week.

[swede96]

Living in the biggest suefest country of the world, it is obvious that nothing comes without a cost. I am sure the government knows that by apologizing for anything, they open themselves up to all kinds of trouble (and that includes reparations).

Here's the kicker: You know it won't be wealthy, established, successful African Americans trying to get something for it. It will be the ones that have been sitting their asses on welfare (probably second or third generation) that haven't worked a day in their life and think the world owes them something.

p.s. what do whites have to apologize for? For being white? To the best of my knowledge, my german and french canadian relatives didn't own slaves. But even if they did, why should I have to apologize for something they did?

Exactly.

p.p.s. why don't african americans demand an apology from their fellow african brothers for selling them to the evil white man in the first place?

[swede96]

I said nothing about an apology. I don't care one way or the other. Doesn't mean sh*t to me.

Most of the black people that I talk to just want a reasonable check for their ancestors' pain and place to live without white people. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's the truth.

Fine. Let's send them all a check for what the wages would have been back then. That should be what? $20 for each. Oh and as for "a place to live without white people"? It's called Africa. America is a melting pot. This country has come a long way as far as mixing cultures. Segregating based on color would undo the entire civil rights movement. I really don't think most black people feel that way. The ones that do are racist. Period.

[swede96]

Black people would try and go back to Africa to be to themselves, but your darn white people just seem to be everywhere.

Okay, we'll stop trying to help the babies dying of AIDS and leave them to fix that problem themselves then.

[swede96]

Deuce, Rage....well said. I had forgotten that point. I shall go pay my Irish boyfriend back tonight....of course....he's half Irish and half Italian...so I think he kind of cancels himself out.

[The Seer]

Most of the black people that I talk to just want a reasonable check

U said it. I love my guys but they always talk about what they will buy when their monthly check comes in. (new Jordans, Playstation games, jewelry, rims)

[willyback]

To a large extent this is true. When my Irish ancestors came over they were doing the jobs that slaves weren't even used for. Check the history books, the Irish were lower than shit.

I know the Irish went through some sh*t, but they weren't slaves (you can research that).

[willyback]

Okay, we'll stop trying to help the babies dying of AIDS and leave them to fix that problem themselves then.

Please do... Would you please stop sending Madonna, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, and Paris Hilton to steal their kids while you're at it.

[swede96]

Please do... Would you please stop sending Madonna, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, and Paris Hilton to steal their kids while you're at it.

You're right, williy. They should just leave them there to die in poverty. How very heartless of them.

[willyback]

Fine. Let's send them all a check for what the wages would have been back then. That should be what? $20 for each. Oh and as for "a place to live without white people"? It's called Africa. America is a melting pot. This country has come a long way as far as mixing cultures. Segregating based on color would undo the entire civil rights movement. I really don't think most black people feel that way. The ones that do are racist. Period.

I've been to South Africa. It's still pretty divided. Whites still maintain much of the money and power - in Africa (don't let the reigning figurehead in the presidency slot fool you). There's something fundamentally wrong with that. Your Euro-logic might not understand it, because that's considered "normal."

Tell me, if I went to Sweden would I see Black people riding around in luxury cars, dining at fine restaurants, and walking around like they own the place?

I think not but, in Africa it's "a-okay."

[willyback]

You're right, williy. They should just leave them there to die in poverty. How very heartless of them.

They wouldn't be poor if they didn't send all of their natural resources to Europe, the US, and now China.

Please... cut Africa loose. They have everything they need to survive. These people are founders of civilization. They will find a way to survive.

[willyback]

I had gone home for the day...and I see no reason to get any more into this with you. You're stuck in your ways and I have no energy for an e-war this week.

This is not an e-war... just an ideological debate.

[RageWizard]

I know the Irish went through some sh*t, but they weren't slaves (you can research that).

I didn't say that the Irish were slaves, but they were treated lower than slaves with repect to how they were treated and where they worked.
As it stands now no one race is going to be treated as well as another by people in a different race. Thats the way the world works and will always work. I'm not saying that it is right but that's how it goes.

[willyback]

And I have done research on my ancestors with my cousins and we haven't found any connection between our family and the slave trade. We're country folk.

Isn't it great to research your family... too bad the decedents of slaves can't do that.

I wonder why....???

[swede96]

I've been to South Africa. It's still pretty divided. Whites still maintain much of the money and power - in Africa (don't let the reigning figurehead in the presidency slot fool you). There's something fundamentally wrong with that. Your Euro-logic might not understand it, because that's considered "normal."

Tell me, if I went to Sweden would I see Black people riding around in luxury cars, dining at fine restaurants, and walking around like they own the place?

I think not but, in Africa it's "a-okay."

I really don't know what you'd find in Sweden. Sadly, I haven't made the trip there yet. But I know that where I'm at, there are plenty of hard working, successful people driving around in nice cars and dining where ever they like....both black and white.

I really don't see how any of this is the caucasians' problem. It's not like the areas of Africa that no white people have ventured into are flourishing. Along with those evil, weathly whities comes better medical care.

[RageWizard]

Isn't it great to research your family... too bad the decedents of slaves can't do that.

I wonder why....???

Some people just doN't want to know. Several can't find their own fathers to go back 1 generation much less the 6 or 7 needed to get back to the slave ERA. This is true for all races too.

[Sportsgirl]

Good money says Willyback's post count skyrockets today. Anyone?

[swede96]

They wouldn't be poor if they didn't send all of their natural resources to Europe, the US, and now China.

Please... cut Africa loose. They have everything they need to survive. These people are founders of civilization. They will find a way to survive.

They sell their natural resources now. If you think they have everything they need to survive, you are dillusional. Say every white person left Africa tomorrow...how many people would die of starvation and various other diseases?

[swede96]

Isn't it great to research your family... too bad the decedents of slaves can't do that.

I wonder why....???

Boo Hoo. That's probably a good thing...the slaves were sold by their leaders, family and friends.

[RageWizard]

Good money says Willyback's post count skyrockets today. Anyone?

Looks like he will top 300 easily today by 4:30 when I pry myself away from my desk. I'd say -125 for this.

[willyback]

Africans sold other Africans to European slave owners...???

There's a hint of truth within your Euro-logic. Africans practiced indentured servitude: you work (for a set period of time) under reasonable conditions. You could still own land. You went to your own home at night. You could even marry "up." It was more of a social standing: you were a "worker." There were limits placed on you because of status.

You weren't whipped, your women weren't raped, you weren't stripped of your culture, your language, your name, etc. Europeans brought forth an entirely new form of indentured servitude.

There's a fundamental breakdown in how Africans think versus how Europeans think. Africa was (and still is) saturated in natural resources. There's little need for war and conquest when the climate is warm all year and the food supply is never ending. Africans became calm and laid back people focused on philosophy, education, etc (Egyptians, Kush, Mali). Meanwhile, Europe has very little to offer it's people (other than domesticated animals). Europeans had to regularly engage in battle for shelter and food. Over time they took on a conqueror's mentality. Factor in some gunpowder (the great un-equalizer) and you get "White Power" - not only in Africa, but around the world (white people should be proud).

[swede96]

So, you're saying that without any help from any African tribal leaders, the Europeans sent people over, went into uncharted terrain and just rounded people up for slavery? They had no help from the African people? A few ships worth of white men were able to gather up ALL those people on their own? Wow. Just wow.

[willyback]

Looks like he will top 300 easily today by 4:30 when I pry myself away from my desk. I'd say -125 for this.

nice odds... it did get me to sharp status, but i'm about to bring it to a close.

hint: you might want to take the under.

[swede96]

There's a fundamental breakdown in how Africans think versus how Europeans think. Africa was (and still is) saturated in natural resources. There's little need for war and conquest when the climate is warm all year and the food supply is never ending. Africans became calm and laid back people focused on philosophy, educated, etc. Meanwhile, Europe has very little to offer it's people (other than domesticated animals). Europeans had to regularly engage in battle for shelter and food. Over time they took on a conqueror's mentality. Factor in some gunpowder (the great un-equalizer) and you get "White Power" - not only in Africa, but around the world (white people should be proud).

Right. That's why African countries have never had a civil war, right? They all just get along and live long, happy lives? I suppose that's the white man's fault too.

[RageWizard]

So, you're saying that without any help from any African tribal leaders, the Europeans sent people over, went into uncharted terrain and just rounded people up for slavery? They had no help from the African people? A few ships worth of white men were able to gather up ALL those people on their own? Wow. Just wow.

We are good at this and some of them have border collies to help with the herding part.

[willyback]

So, you're saying that without any help from any African tribal leaders, the Europeans sent people over, went into uncharted terrain and just rounded people up for slavery? They had no help from the African people? A few ships worth of white men were able to gather up ALL those people on their own? Wow. Just wow.

Another fine example of Euro-logic. I didn't say that. Africans and Europeans had been trading for several years prior to the slave trade. When slavery began Europeans respected the rules of indentured servitude. There were cases of free Africans in what is now Germany owning land.

But, there was a shift in policy.

[swede96]

We are good at this and some of them have border collies to help with the herding part.

That made me snort. I would love to hear Willy's solution for all this. Please, wise Willy, tell us how to fix it. How big of a check should each african american get? What kind of proof will they have to show that they did, indeed have ancestors who were slaves?

And as I said, though you ignored it before, how big will my check be for women's slavery? And don't even try saying that women weren't slaves. They may have looked better taken care of, but the were still slaves.

[willyback]

Right. That's why African countries have never had a civil war, right? They all just get along and live long, happy lives? I suppose that's the white man's fault too.

POST-colonization civil wars. Traditional African tribes had battles (yes), but nothing excessively bloody. The decorative war masks where used to scare off opponents: actual combat was a last resort. Even in the midst of battle they'd take breaks.

[Sportsgirl]

nice odds... it did get me to sharp status, but i'm about to bring it to a close.

hint: you might want to take the under.

I got $ on you reaching the 280s ... don't let me down

[swede96]

POST-colonization civil wars. Traditional African tribes had battles (yes), but nothing excessively bloody. The decorative war masks where used to scare off opponents: actual combat was a last resort. Even in the midst of battle they'd take breaks.

Right. So it was whitie's fault. Before that it was all ghost stories and shaking fists.

[willyback]

That made me snort. I would love to hear Willy's solution for all this. Please, wise Willy, tell us how to fix it. How big of a check should each african american get? What kind of proof will they have to show that they did, indeed have ancestors who were slaves?

And as I said, though you ignored it before, how big will my check be for women's slavery? And don't even try saying that women weren't slaves. They may have looked better taken care of, but the were still slaves.

Euro-logic at it's finest. And I'll end it here. Forget about the checks. Forget about black history, civil rights, etc.

It's as simple as this. Send all blacks back to Africa. Send all whites out of Africa. No communication with the outside world (no trade, no tourism, no dollar, no euro - Africans actually have the eco now). The land still very rich. I guarantee you that they will find a way to work it out. If they don't (and everybody's dead from AIDS and/or war) the Europeans can come back to Africa and never see another black person for the remainder of history.