My experiences with Bet Royal

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  • Tita
    SBR Rookie
    • 08-30-05
    • 9

    #1
    My experiences with Bet Royal
    Hi everyone,

    I was telling Bill about this and I decided it was a good idea to share it with the public. I was an employee at Bet Royal (which of course wasn't called Bet Royal then) few years back, and I would like to give you guys an inside scoop on how things are run. Now, I know things are somewhat better than when I worked there, but still....

    As soon as the phone would ring, I would dread picking it up because I knew for a fact that it was someone asking when they were going to get their money. As soon as I heard the words, "Where is my f'ing money", I would place the customer on hold. I had no answer to give the customer since I knew for a fact that if I asked Tej if they were going to be receiving their money, the answer would be no. It got to the point, that I would put people on hold, then would go to the store to buy some lunch, smoke a cigarette, go to the bathroom, then when I would finally get back to the office, the person would still be waiting on hold. I had to use to use 3 different names, and would often "fire" one personality to be able to further delay the customer...

    Every morning we would have a meeting to discuss which lucky customer would receive their money. If the customer played in the casino, then that was an automatic "no we are not paying this guy" because the theory was that if you left the money in their account they would lose it all again. If the customer was bringing their balance to zero then to Tej, that was an automatic no to paying them. He believed that if a customer was bringing their account to zero, they were closing their account, and why pay if they were closing their account. They changed the company name several times in the few months that I was there just to elude the customers. I remember talking to the same customer that they had just stiffed, telling him that "we" wouldn't treat him like the last company he was with. Little did he realize that he was talking to the same rep.

    Luckily I didn't work there for very long. I couldn't take it... knowing that these people were all getting ripped off. Not to mention, that every phone call I had was a complete nightmare, and I was threatened to be killed numerous times and screamed at by every customer.

    I urge people to not send their money there. People like Tej give sportsbooks and online casinos a bad reputation. Not all companies out there are like his of course and thank goodness for that.
  • freebie
    SBR MVP
    • 08-10-05
    • 1174

    #2
    so pathetic. Stupid BetRoyal

    Thanks for sharing, Tita
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    • TOW
      SBR High Roller
      • 08-10-05
      • 152

      #3
      Tita,

      Forgive me intrusion but....your post sounds bogus to me. I have been managing director of Royal Sports between August 14th 2002 and December 7th 2003.

      Navtej ***** bought Royal on August 2nd 2003.....and he NEVER visited the premises (not at least until I was there)....so care to explain ?

      Tita..you say you're a long time employee...if that is the case you should know me and I should know you.
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      • Tita
        SBR Rookie
        • 08-30-05
        • 9

        #4
        Originally posted by TOW
        Tita,

        Forgive me intrusion but....your post sounds bogus to me. I have been managing director of Royal Sports between August 14th 2002 and December 7th 2003.

        Navtej Kholi bought Royal on August 2nd 2003.....and he NEVER visited the premises (not at least until I was there)....so care to explain ?

        Tita..you say you're a long time employee...if that is the case you should know me and I should know you.
        I never said I was a long time employee... I said I worked there a long TIME ago. I also said that Royal Sports was not the name when I worked there. That is one of Tej's favorite games - stiff too many people - just change your company name!
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        • Brick Tamland
          SBR MVP
          • 08-12-05
          • 1336

          #5
          What was the name of the book then? Who were the managers?
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          • Tita
            SBR Rookie
            • 08-30-05
            • 9

            #6
            It was pyramid back then. I would rather not mention names.
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388208

              #7
              Tow worked there so I do not know how legit this story is

              TOW has been around too and is an honest guy
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              • TOW
                SBR High Roller
                • 08-10-05
                • 152

                #8
                Tita.

                Thanks for your clarification. You have worked with Tej in the past but you have never worked for Royal Sports.
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                • Tita
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 08-30-05
                  • 9

                  #9
                  I apologize if the title of my thread was misleading for you. So anyone that use to bet with TNT , Derby or Pyramid just to mention a few names and is now betting with royal sports - it's the same guy behind the whole thing.
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                  • Tita
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 08-30-05
                    • 9

                    #10
                    TOW - if you are the honest guy they say you are, I don't know how you can be employed by that guy.... Maybe he is trying to change things around for the better, but by the look of all the threads about how he runs a business in all the forums, my guess is that it's not going so well. And just to think of all the people that he screwed out of thousands of dollars makes my blood boil. ... I use to listen to grown men cry to me on the phone begging me for the money that was rightfully theirs.
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                    • TOW
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 152

                      #11
                      Tita,

                      FYI I am not employed by Tej. That being said the title of your thread is deceiving, since your experience is related to a different venture.
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                      • Tita
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 08-30-05
                        • 9

                        #12
                        Well correct me if I'm wrong...

                        1.) Tej owned/ran Pyramid (Grafix Softech)
                        2.) Pyramid didn't pay customers
                        3.) Tej owns or part owns BetRoyal
                        4.) BetRoyal has issues paying customers
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                        • SBR_John
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 07-12-05
                          • 16471

                          #13
                          Thanks for your post Tita. I hope you don't mind I changed the title. Your account matches other ex employees accounts of Pyramid, Scores, Royal, ect.
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                          • Clip Joint
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 200

                            #14
                            What do you mean? Major Wager says Royal is a very safe and secure book.
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                            • tacomax
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 08-10-05
                              • 9619

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Clip Joint
                              What do you mean? Major Wager says Royal is a very safe and secure book.
                              Thanks for the tip, Clip Joint. I'll be sending them 5 dimes tonight.
                              Originally posted by pags11
                              SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                              Originally posted by BuddyBear
                              I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                              Originally posted by curious
                              taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                              • Clip Joint
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 200

                                #16
                                Originally posted by tacomax
                                Thanks for the tip, Clip Joint. I'll be sending them 5 dimes tonight.
                                :105084828

                                Good luck to you. If you win, you should be able to get a payout by the College Bowl Season in 2007.
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                                • BuddyBear
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 7233

                                  #17
                                  Thanks Tita...this is really helpful. I know for sure I'll never ever bet with Royal based on this. I've put them on my personal do not touch list.
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                                  • Illusion
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 08-09-05
                                    • 25166

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Clip Joint
                                    :105084828

                                    Good luck to you. If you win, you should be able to get a payout by the College Bowl Season in 2007.
                                    Yeah, if you are lucky.
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                                    • pags11
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 08-18-05
                                      • 12264

                                      #19
                                      thanks for sharing this...sounds like a bigger version of Garet Bradford...
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                                      • raiders72001
                                        Senior Member
                                        • 08-10-05
                                        • 11209

                                        #20
                                        Tita,

                                        I have a lot of problems with Royal and their slow pays. I have even more problems with your post. You don't name any employees or managers. Did you personally work with Tej? Did you see him in the office? If yes, what year was it?

                                        Your post has as much credibility as this one. I worked for Royal sports for two years. I recently retired and have plenty of money due to the generousity of Tej and Royal Sports.

                                        When the phone would ring I would jump to answer the phone as Tej would give bonuses to the top 10 employees to answer calls for the day.

                                        Customers would call and ask if they could tip me because of the great service that they were receiving. I always turned it down because Royal was taking care of me.

                                        Every morning we would discuss what lucky ticket number that we would use to give a player a $200 free play. If we decided ticket 202 for the day, then the player that placed bet 202 would win.

                                        I urge people to deposit with Royal because of the great experiences that I've had there.

                                        There's really no difference in our posts if you can't give us more information.
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                                        • Bill Dozer
                                          www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                                          • 07-12-05
                                          • 10894

                                          #21
                                          Hey Guys,

                                          For what it's worth, I know who Tita is and believe she did work for Tej. I don't think Tita thought she would have to prove she was there when she decided to share some of what it was like to work for a stiff sportsbook. Hence, not describing wallpaper color and carpet stains.

                                          Maybe she will come back to offer more details.
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                                          • oficentrobuilding7floor7
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 08-31-05
                                            • 9

                                            #22
                                            raiders

                                            from you asking her to give more details, you obviously dont know how things work in tej's world.

                                            if she gives away who she is, she is really putting her safety in jeopardy, most or all of you that dont reside in cr and dont know anyone thats worked for tej, think that im talking shit.....he has armed guards on his payroll, in short, these guys will do anything for him as he pays them well



                                            dont be a dick and tear apart this poor girl who has the decency to come forward, 99% of his ex or current employees wont talk about tej on the record out of fear for their own and their families safety



                                            these boards are full of people who are trying to avoid getting stiffed and here you have a guy who stiffed thousands of players - i for one will laugh hard if and when tej pulls a stiff job on royal, simply because all these 'stand up forum superstars' side step the issue, they continue to say ‘show me the slow pays’



                                            fukwads, do a search on pyramid/score/tnt/virtual casino/prism casino etc etc



                                            he doesn’t have to be slow paying now, he’s a stiff before he bought royal, that’s his way of doing business, hes a stiff….did you hear that……..hes a stiff…….not maybe, not unproven…..hes a proven stiff



                                            you can say what ever you want, argue what ever you want, but to argue that hes not a stiff – you cant – hes a fukin stiff and these idiots on the boards who defend him should be ………………………

                                            ________________________________________ ________________________________________ _____

                                            for those of you who never heard of his past stiff jobs, here are some helpful links

                                            http://www.bet2gamble.com/Directory/score-sportsbook/

                                            http://forum.therx.com/archive/index.php/t-221225.html

                                            http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bi...ase&no=9450648

                                            http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?t=14392




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                                            • anonymous
                                              SBR Rookie
                                              • 08-31-05
                                              • 1

                                              #23
                                              I dont know if this is worth anything but I too used to work for Tej. Tita's report is right on. When I left Tej's organization I was made to fear for my safety and that is not right. I have worked for many books in Costa Rica and some owners are better than others, but Tej is the arm pit of the industry. He is a liar plain and simple. Obviously his stakes are a little bigger now, he screwed up by buying royal because now he is under a microscope. Maybe he has changed his ways, but I don't think a leapord can change his spots. If he has then he should pay off all the people he has scammed in the past, including employees like me that he promised bonuses to and then convienently forgot about once the season was over and wanted to cut back on staff.

                                              When I approached Tej about the bonus he promised me if I stayed for the season he said, "We had a bad season" I told him that shouldnt matter, that he gave me his word and now since he is letting me go I want my bonus. He asked me to wait a second as he left the room and had one of his goons come in and tell me to leave and keep my mouth shut or they would shut it for me permanantly.

                                              Raider you are a liar or a shill. You and Roberto go spend you payoff money. Everyone knows Roberto made a commission off the sale of royal so take his word and site with a grain of salt.
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                                              • Mudcat
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 07-21-05
                                                • 9287

                                                #24
                                                Few books invoke the passion that Royal does.
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                                                • TOW
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                  • 152

                                                  #25
                                                  Anonymous,

                                                  I always enjoy reading posts where people hiding behind a screen name make statements like yours. FYI I did not have any sort of commission for the sale of Royal Sports. Aside from the fact that John can confirm this, bank statements can easily prove your information being incorrect.

                                                  This being said I have direct knowledge of the way Tej operates and can confirm intimidation being part of his repertoire.

                                                  The little indian guy intimidated me several times, including a couple of death threats.

                                                  If you've worked with him you should be aware of when he shot Big. R. and missed his head for less than an inch. This happened in his very office when the unfortunate employee approached him asking for a "bonus".
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                                                  • oficentrobuilding7floor7
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 08-31-05
                                                    • 9

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by TOW

                                                    If you've worked with him you should be aware of when he shot Big. R. and missed his head for less than an inch. This happened in his very office when the unfortunate employee approached him asking for a "bonus".
                                                    Roberto



                                                    if i remember correctly that was his casino manager, a black guy, i heard from people that worked there at the time that the bullet ripped thru the wall into the next room where there was a pregnant employee who had a miscarriage as a result of the trauma she experienced that day. The shooting took place, the miscarriage, well who knows, that’s just what I heard



                                                    you know tej well enough to know that anyone that has anything to say about him, NEEDS to hide behind a screen name simply to avoid 'issues'



                                                    he thinks he's this larger than life gangster, people at his wedding told me that he walked down the aisle to the theme song from the 'godfather'



                                                    this guy is truly bottom of the bucket scum
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                                                    • TOW
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                      • 152

                                                      #27
                                                      I have learned quite a number of horror stories about the man. Yet hiding, like you guys do, make him achieve his goal.

                                                      He's a 5'1 Indian with an undisclosed inferiority complex due to his height. This is why he takes revenge on people acting the way he does and loves being feared.

                                                      He is not to be feared. He's a Calcutta sidewalk bullie. The ones that hide make him feel he's more than what he really is. he's not.

                                                      As far as his goons go..yes, they can be dangerous, but they ain't dumb. John had them picked up by the police.

                                                      Yes...Don Juan might pull some strings but he's not going to risk everything for Tej.
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                                                      • oficentrobuilding7floor7
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 08-31-05
                                                        • 9

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by TOW
                                                        I have learned quite a number of horror stories about the man. Yet hiding, like you guys do, make him achieve his goal.

                                                        He's a 5'1 Indian with an undisclosed inferiority complex due to his height. This is why he takes revenge on people acting the way he does and loves being feared.

                                                        He is not to be feared. He's a Calcutta sidewalk bullie. The ones that hide make him feel he's more than what he really is. he's not.

                                                        As far as his goons go..yes, they can be dangerous, but they ain't dumb. John had them picked up by the police.

                                                        Yes...Don Juan might pull some strings but he's not going to risk everything for Tej.
                                                        your dumber than you look in your picture

                                                        read what you wrote above

                                                        we all know that hes a 5'1 wimp, but hes a 5'1 wimp with money and he has goons that take that money from him to 'handle issues' for him, why would i or anyone else here thats talking about him want to have goons waiting outside their house to fukk em up, i know someone that he did this to just a year ago

                                                        your essentially saying, take a beating to show him hes a wimp????

                                                        you are living in miami, no one would come there to handle you, but people in cr

                                                        why when you knew what you said above about tej, did you post on g911 casually about a year ago that yes tej has owned royal for some time and you were arguing with people that were calling him a crook, you seemed to be defending him.......were you????

                                                        make up your mind you numbskull fukkk
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                                                        • marc
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 07-15-05
                                                          • 1166

                                                          #29
                                                          Tej has had control of royal for over a year now. At this point, it does not appear that the intent of Tej and his partners was to buy royall and stiff all the players. I would imagine, due to royals name and cusomter database, that if the venture went south, it would be worth it for Tej to sell Royal, rather than stiffing the players and destroy the book. But this is jsut my guess.
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                                                          • oficentrobuilding7floor7
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 08-31-05
                                                            • 9

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by marc
                                                            Tej has had control of royal for over a year now. At this point, it does not appear that the intent of Tej and his partners was to buy royall and stiff all the players. I would imagine, due to royals name and cusomter database, that if the venture went south, it would be worth it for Tej to sell Royal, rather than stiffing the players and destroy the book. But this is jsut my guess.
                                                            mark i agree with you but thats not the point here, and from your post, you only make my case stronger

                                                            IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE NOW, THE POINT IS WHAT ABOUT ALL THE STIFF JOBS IN THE PAST..........REGARDLESS IF HE PAYS NOW OR NOT, YOU CANT PATRONIZE ROYAL SIMPLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT ITS OWNED BY A STIFF

                                                            PERIOD

                                                            if you cant understand that, then you deserve to be stiffed

                                                            if the former owners of betpanam or any other stiff book opened a new book or bought an old one and were paying players......would you play there???
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                                                            • Trouble Maker
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 08-14-05
                                                              • 131

                                                              #31
                                                              marc, I think the real question here for Roberto or anyone else who has every defended tej and calls them self a 'watchdog' is what about all the people who have been stiffed?

                                                              I have a buddy that was associated with a failed book, (im not going to say who or what book, you may know the story) my buddy lost everything making sure every last customer was paid. He still gets reamed from time to time because of his association and he made sure all the players GOT PAID very few people cared to find out the facts and to this very day people in the industry that call themselves watchdogs bash on failed operations and operators that at least had the decency to make sure the players got paid and yet there is no outcry for a public stance against hoodlums like Tej for the betterment of the industry. Or at least a boycott until past players issues have been resolved

                                                              It is a known fact that there are MANY players out there that have NOT been paid by operations ran by Tej.

                                                              I think it is very irresponsible for any so called watch dog site or operator to accept advertising dollars or make any comments in order to make players feel safe about such a person/organization.

                                                              My question to you marc, do you not think it is right for Tej to pay anyone and everyone he has stiffed?

                                                              and

                                                              Do you think he should be able to operate without consequence?
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                                                              • pags11
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 08-18-05
                                                                • 12264

                                                                #32
                                                                what a scam...
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                                                                • TOW
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                                  • 152

                                                                  #33
                                                                  TM,

                                                                  SBR and TOW, John and I, have shared opinions about Royal many many times.....at a certain point in time we even thought Royal might have changed for good.

                                                                  Up until March of 2005, when theRX dropped Royal, TOW ans SBR were the only sites warning players about Royal.

                                                                  We were the only ones to report of stiffed agents, stiffed vendors, stiffed employees and stiffed payment processors.

                                                                  If you read that as defending Tej...well, I don't know what to say.

                                                                  Bottomline players reading SBR or TOW are WELL AWARE of the risk involved in playing with this book.

                                                                  Yet, some players still consider that the reward of playing there is greater than the risk. Its their money after all, and they are free to use it the way they want to.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388208

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Good Post Tow
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                                                                    • Truthteller
                                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                                      • 08-19-05
                                                                      • 41

                                                                      #35
                                                                      FWIW, I have never seen TOW defend Royal or Tej. He has always maintained that this guy is scum.
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