Changes to the SBR point system: Effective Feb 15

[trixtrix]

lol, i'm done w/ this argument, all i'm trying to do here is to help you, it's really sad that you don't understand that.

ps: calling someone names and then complaining that you're being discriminated against doesn't help your cause.

[mattmc419]

Hey Guys,

I'm fairly new here, but figured I'd add some input to the topic. As I've stated elsewhere on the forum, I've been betting successfully on and off for the last couple years, and just recently decided to get more involved with it.

In one respect, it does stink to see the rules changing less than a week since I found SBR. But on the other hand, and more importantly, this place is amazing when everything that is offered is taken into account. The community aspect, unlimited betting info and collaboration with other members, tracking and bankroll management resources, contests, a free sportsbook and casino, and the chance to get free stuff is just a huge amount of stuff to get for free from a single website.

I'm not a pro yet, but I plan to be within the next week or so, and don't have any real issues with the changes announced. Many people have pointed out that being a pro literally pays for itself, and I would have put $200 in a sportsbook anyways.

For me, as a US member, it's simply finding the right book and establishing a simple funding method that is taking some time.

I do think that some members completely bashing non-pros is uncalled for, as everyone has their own reasons for being here. Not every non-pro is trying to take advantage of the system. Of course those that are should be both taken care of and prevented, and hopefully the changes will accomplish that.

With that being said, I've really enjoyed my first few days on the forum. Hopefully at some time or another I've helped someone make a good pick or presented good reasoning regarding how I felt on a game. I know other members have enlightened me in many situations. It's really interesting to see how people approach betting, and a ton of good information exists here.

Anyways, I look forward to being a pro soon, and again want to congratulate the SBR staff for what they have built here.

Matt

[pavyracer]

If you guys read the thread where Justin7 called out trixtrix for what he was doing you should know how he got his points at the book. He basically used all the tricks Justin7 calls in his book to beat limits, use correlated parlays, buy points on teasers, derivatives, etc to beat the points book. Every time trixtrix was using one of Justin's methods from the book (Conquering Risk) Justin will work with the points book managers to plug the loopholes trixtrix was exploiting hence why Justin7 called him out for using mispricings and exploiting weaknesses at the book. Until they plug the holes he was up to 100,000 points. So basically Justin7 was caught in the middle of this because trixtrix was exploiting Justin's methods to beat the points book and Justin who uses these methods to beat real books for cash had to tell the points book how to plug these holes. It was like the robber telling the bank how to secure their safe so another robber won't break into it.

[easywinner]

lol, i'm done w/ this argument, all i'm trying to do here is to help you, it's really sad that you don't understand that.

ps: calling someone names and then complaining that you're being discriminated against doesn't help your cause.

If you were trying to HELP me then you would have simply answered my 2 questions in my OP on page 14 of this thread and not twisted my words around and taken this subject out on a tangent. I didn't call you any names. I was only restating what was said previously in this thread. I had to read through 15 pages, most of it crap about you to get to the end so i think you should know that. I don't care what you think about me as i am quite sure that i am fully more intelligent, competent and reasonable than you are, considering how you argue with EVERYONE. It's simple guy, just help newbies out by answering their questions. When i am a "veteran" like you i will be glad to help anyone out that is new and has questions, rather than twisting their statements around or responding if you are confused by what they are saying.

[20Four7]

John these are excellent measures to battle fraud. When fraud is eradicated from the points system everyone who posts here wins.

Merry Christmas!

Sharp post by Pavy..... I agree

[trixtrix]

put me down for one more vote to ban all non-pros from all sbr related activities.

[easywinner]

Hey Guys,

I'm fairly new here, but figured I'd add some input to the topic. As I've stated elsewhere on the forum, I've been betting successfully on and off for the last couple years, and just recently decided to get more involved with it.

In one respect, it does stink to see the rules changing less than a week since I found SBR. But on the other hand, and more importantly, this place is amazing when everything that is offered is taken into account. The community aspect, unlimited betting info and collaboration with other members, tracking and bankroll management resources, contests, a free sportsbook and casino, and the chance to get free stuff is just a huge amount of stuff to get for free from a single website.

I'm not a pro yet, but I plan to be within the next week or so, and don't have any real issues with the changes announced. Many people have pointed out that being a pro literally pays for itself, and I would have put $200 in a sportsbook anyways.

For me, as a US member, it's simply finding the right book and establishing a simple funding method that is taking some time.

I do think that some members completely bashing non-pros is uncalled for, as everyone has their own reasons for being here. Not every non-pro is trying to take advantage of the system. Of course those that are should be both taken care of and prevented, and hopefully the changes will accomplish that.

With that being said, I've really enjoyed my first few days on the forum. Hopefully at some time or another I've helped someone make a good pick or presented good reasoning regarding how I felt on a game. I know other members have enlightened me in many situations. It's really interesting to see how people approach betting, and a ton of good information exists here.

Anyways, I look forward to being a pro soon, and again want to congratulate the SBR staff for what they have built here.

Matt

Excellent points. You seem to have conveyed my opinions of this forum very well. Good luck. Take care.

[nobs]

This is no big deal even for the non pros.

If a non pro goes on a nice run and gets it up to 10,000 points or whatever all he has to do is send a lousy $200 to the greek and become a pro before he uses the 10,000 points. Then he can spend the 10,000 and get the lower pro price and also be able to buy anything.

[ROYAJA8]

Just give pros 50 points a day n everyone would be a pro haha

[sportsfanatic]

I'm not a pro yet, but I plan to be within the next week or so, and don't have any real issues with the changes announced. Many people have pointed out that being a pro literally pays for itself, and I would have put $200 in a sportsbook anyways.

congrats on becoming pro.

[easywinner]

put me down for one more vote to ban all non-pros from all sbr related activities.

Why are you scared of getting beat down in the poker tourney by a new member or something? Remember you were once a newbie to this forum as well. I'm sure back then in 2006 everyone that was a member before you was hostile and unwelcoming and completely ignored your questions and twisted your words into an argument as well right?

[mattmc419]

Excellent points. You seem to have conveyed my opinions of this forum very well. Good luck. Take care.

Thanks!

It only makes sense that pros should have additional benefits, since they are how SBR profits.

I still don't like the "get lost" approach that some people are taking to every non-pro in general. Easy guys, lol

Good luck with your bets too!

Edit: Thanks a ton for the points and nomination

congrats on becoming pro.

Thanks!

I'm looking forward to it. I've had a good profitable week betting, and with bonuses and such was close to enough for pro, but ended up letting Intertops blackjack take advantage of me. I know to avoid their casino now though lol

[trixtrix]

i'm not arguing with you dude, you seem to have some type of superiority complex issue lol.

i'm merely stating my opinion to the board just as you did, i'm allowed to have my opinion just as you obv, i want to make sure sbr does not discriminate against my opinion

[ThaddeusB]

If you guys read the thread where Justin7 called out trixtrix for what he was doing you should know how he got his points at the book. He basically used all the tricks Justin7 calls in his book to beat limits, use correlated parlays, buy points on teasers, derivatives, etc to beat the points book. Every time trixtrix was using one of Justin's methods from the book (Conquering Risk) Justin will work with the points book managers to plug the loopholes trixtrix was exploiting hence why Justin7 called him out for using mispricings and exploiting weaknesses at the book. Until they plug the holes he was up to 100,000 points. So basically Justin7 was caught in the middle of this because trixtrix was exploiting Justin's methods to beat the points book and Justin who uses these methods to beat real books for cash had to tell the points book how to plug these holes. It was like the robber telling the bank how to secure their safe so another robber won't break into it.

I think it is pretty unlikely that trixtrix learned these methods from Justin's book. It isn't like Justin is the first guy in the world to realize books had leaks and gave away this secret info in his book.

When Lou said "Conquering Risk Chapter 4: buying points in the NBA" (or whatever the exact words were) to describe trixtrix's win, that was a joke. There is nothing in the book specifically about buying points in the NBA. The book is about how to find winning edges and only lists a few well known holes ("free money" as he calls it).

One of holes is correlated parlays, but the specific type trixtrix played isn't mentioned. Furthermore, Justin writes "Correlated parlays have long been considered one of the holy grails of sports betting." Sounds to me like people knew about them long before Justins book. If you look, you will find plenty of threads on SBR about these from before Justin wrote the book. In fact, a number of players were cheated by sportsbook.com back in 2007 for beating the book playing CPs (when they were allowed by the site's rules). I'm pretty sure trix was among those. So if he was cheated by a book playing these back in 2007 and Justin's book was written in 2010, it doesn't take a genius to figure out trix didn't learn how to do them from the book.

[trixtrix]

thad, it's been obv from all the lies pavy is claiming against me that he has not read any of j7's book yet, he's simply guessing at this pt

[Cougar Bait]

God, people care about this?

[pavyracer]

Thaddy,

I didn't say trixtrix cheated. I said he used methods that allowed him to use mispricings and exploit weaknesses in the book. SBR is not going to say what he did (which was legal at the time he did it) so other posters won't use it. In the meantime since Justin knows about these weaknesses from real life books he is helping SBR to plug the holes in the points book.

[trixtrix]

uh, i am still betting teasers, teasers is where i got majority of my pts, they have no been limited or disallowed.

[easywinner]

i'm not arguing with you dude, you seem to have some type of superiority complex issue lol.

i'm merely stating my opinion to the board just as you did, i'm allowed to have my opinion just as you obv, i want to make sure sbr does not discriminate against my opinion

Fair enough man i completely agree and respect that. I won't say anything else about anything in this thread or you as i think most opinions have been stated. How much is the charity stuff in the sbr store? I've only got like 120 points right now since I'm new but as soon as i have the minimum to buy it, I'm going straight to the store and donating to the salvation army or whatever other charities are in there, i can't remember now. It will be in your honor for the holidays. I'm serious about that too, hold me to it. Peace man.

P.S. I really would like to know how to partake in the poker and trivia and contests as i was never given the heads up on that when i joined and i haven't come across it yet.

[pavyracer]

uh, i am still betting teasers, teasers is where i got majority of my pts, they have no been limited or disallowed.

Keep doing it. It looks like you gave some points back to them since you started betting teasers.

[Kaabee]

trivia only available to pros. it pops up on wednesday and one random day. you can play poker by paying the 20 pt entry fee for non-pros. download it at sbrforum.com/poker. for contests click on the my contests link near top of page.

[trixtrix]

Keep doing it. It looks like you gave some points back to them since you started betting teasers.

sure, i will. apparently me losing pts is more of a concern to you than me. i won my pts w/ teasers, if i lose them it'd be only fair. and i didn't just start betting teasers, but it's obv you're just making sht up at this pt so whatever

[ThaddeusB]

uh, i am still betting teasers, teasers is where i got majority of my pts, they have no been limited or disallowed.

This is true. I bet the exact same type of teaser that trix won huge on a few weeks ago just last Sunday. It is a well know (minor/~2% EV) leak that still exists in most real books.

[easywinner]

trivia only available to pros. it pops up on wednesday and one random day. you can play poker by paying the 20 pt entry fee for non-pros. download it at sbrforum.com/poker. for contests click on the my contests link near top of page.

Much appreciated. Thank you. Take care.

[sideloaded]

Conquering Risk is mainly about math modeling.

[mattmc419]

For anyone that knows, since the thread sparked my interest:

Where can I find Justin's book?

Matt

[Kaabee]

For anyone that knows, since the thread sparked my interest: Where can I find Justin's book? Matt

sbr store/amazon.com are two

is it in barnes & noble/borders anyone?

[trixtrix]

it's for sale in the sbr store

[mattmc419]

Thanks

[pavyracer]

I want my commission Justin for promoting your book.

[trixtrix]

well part of your reward should be to actually READ the book lol

[Mikail]

I am gonna get that book if I can ever hold on to enough sbr points. I might be better off just buying it at Amazon.com

[yisman]

I'm not talking about discrimination over points. I could care less about points and who gets how many. I'm talking about how other people earlier in the thread were suggesting that non-pros shouldn't be allowed in forum activities like poker, trivia, the sportbooks etc.

Non-pros already can't play trivia and have to buy into poker if they want to play. That has nothing to do with this thread.

non-pros can still use the sportsbook.

You seem to have misunderstood what's being talked about here.

Also, the post count thing was about making an exception to the new rule against non-pros transferring more than two points a day, not to prevent new users from being able to use the forum or preventing new users from becoming a pro.

Anyone can become a pro, as far as I know.

And you want to shut off transfers for everyone? Talk about completely unnecessary.

[trixtrix]

btw, i think i made some headway into the grumperz situation. grumperz could not have made his 50k stack via transfers since he only transferred 3k to his ghost acct. what likely happpened was

1.) grumperz won 30k legitimately in sbr book
2.) grumperz discovered additional glitch which allows him to transfer pts at no additional costs to him
3.) grumperz transfers 3k to his ghost acct
4.) sbr discovers this and confiscates his entire balance
5.) grumperz felt unfair as he won the balance legitimately in sbr book before attempting to use the transfer glitch or something to that effect.

so how close am i?

[yisman]

Keep doing it. It looks like you gave some points back to them since you started betting teasers.

pavy, I thought you were rooting for trixtrix.