Changes to the SBR point system: Effective Feb 15

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So-how-much-time-do-we-have-until-these-changes-take-place?

[OmgUrMom]

Feb 15th cube

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AND-WHERE-DID-MY-SIGNATURE-GO?

i-HAVE-TO-WRITE..
OVERALL-AT-SBR:90-50;PLUS-FOURTY-THOUSAND-DOLLARS
EVERY-TIME?

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OH-THANKS-MOM...

SO-I-STILL-HAVE-SOME-TIME-TO-GO-ON-ANOTHER-RUN-AND-GET-SOME-GC'S

[Arsenal]

Lets do some math here. Lets say you deposit $200 to become a Pro and worst case scenario you lose it all at your book without cashing out. Here is what SBR gives you back. 12 points a day for a year. That's close to 5,000 points. Then even if you answer only the first question right on Trivia twice a week you get 20 points per week. That's another 1000 points a year. Then you get anniversary and Xmas bonus. That's anywhere from 150 to 500 points depending on your anniversary. Then you get 3 free poker tourneys every week. That's another 150 chances for you to win free points or cash at books. So you get back anywhere from 6,000-8,000 points depending on how sharp you are. Even if you don't bet them at the book you can redeem 6,000 points per year. That's 40 pizzas at $10 a piece that's $400. So you spend $200 deposit at the book and get back $400 worth of pizzas. So SBR is basically paying you $200 to become a Pro.

100% correct!!! And for the broke degenerates, there really is no reason to lose the whole $200 if they need the money that badly. Deposit the money is a good safe book and take no bonus from book to avoid the high rollover requirements. Let SBR verify the deposit and then go about getting your money out of said book. You might need to wait 14-30 days and maybe rollover the deposit 1 time before they will process your withdrawal, depending on the book.

[Andy117]

Think it might be time to go pro. Just gotta pick a book.

[sickler]

Well, as a "non-pro" who qualified from the onset to be a "pro" but made a conscious decision not to tie the sickler forum persona to sportsbook accounts (and also not caring about the points), this affects me in that I give the points away to other posters. These changes call for a max of 2 pts transferred per day. Won't be able to give them away fast enough, will accumulate in my penny jar..lol

If I may request one change to the limitations placed on non-pros, please allow for charity donations. That's where my points will go if you continue to dump six on me each day I post on the forum.

[BestPlay2day]

8% isn't that big of an increase. We knew they were going to raise prices after the Superbowl, was expecting a lot bigger increase to tell you the truth.

[milwaukee mike]

love this discussion

grandmaster b you are a sharp poster, and i agree with everything you say except there's ONE big problem:
those of us that go to the bash every year get $300 in cash + free room + parties + door prize, etc so we have a favorable opinion of sbr and will defend it to the end. no matter how many times they raise prices in the store or change rules we have gotten so much fun and free stuff out of sbr that we are REALLY HAPPY!

so it's always a difference of opinion based on personal experience, if i was a newbie that never went to the bash and wasn't a pro i would have a completely different opinion.

but i go to the bash and love all these fukking guys. john is a class act all the way, so is shannon. so is sam. so is lou. me and my wife are not real social people and the last 2 years we have been met with nothing but friendship and respect from everyone associated with sbr so yes i will defend them to the death because they are all awesome.

[playersonly69]

No big deal

[playersonly69]

When do I get my PM's back?

[Fishhead]

love this discussion

grandmaster b you are a sharp poster, and i agree with everything you say except there's ONE big problem:
those of us that go to the bash every year get $300 in cash + free room + parties + door prize, etc so we have a favorable opinion of sbr and will defend it to the end. no matter how many times they raise prices in the store or change rules we have gotten so much fun and free stuff out of sbr that we are REALLY HAPPY!

so it's always a difference of opinion based on personal experience, if i was a newbie that never went to the bash and wasn't a pro i would have a completely different opinion.

but i go to the bash and love all these fukking guys. john is a class act all the way, so is shannon. so is sam. so is lou. me and my wife are not real social people and the last 2 years we have been met with nothing but friendship and respect from everyone associated with sbr so yes i will defend them to the death because they are all awesome.

POST of the DAY!

[yisman]

go ahead and defend SBR to your grave it dosent effect me neither does their 12 cents a day giveaway with restrictions

Why do you spend so much time and energy trolling about "12 cent giveaways"?

Your points have been discredited repeatedly, but you keep starting more threads, making more posts...

For what?

You've been told again and again that 12 points are worth far more than "12 cents", yet you keep repeating the same tired lines.

Don't want the points? Cool. No one said you had to take them.

[Arsenal]

Why do you spend so much time and energy trolling about "12 cent giveaways"?

Your points have been discredited repeatedly, but you keep starting more threads, making more posts...

For what?

You've been told again and again that 12 points are worth far more than "12 cents", yet you keep repeating the same tired lines.

Don't want the points? Cool. No one said you had to take them.

Yisman he is the definition of an internet troll. This is like his 4th username here at SBR and he is always whining and complaining about SBR. And his way of debating is to constantly post the same shit in the thread over and over. Everyone should just ignore his posts.

[sportsfanatic]

anybody know if there was sports trivia today?

[yisman]

Lets do some math here. Lets say you deposit $200 to become a Pro and worst case scenario you lose it all at your book without cashing out. Here is what SBR gives you back. 12 points a day for a year. That's close to 5,000 points. Then even if you answer only the first question right on Trivia twice a week you get 20 points per week. That's another 1000 points a year. Then you get anniversary and Xmas bonus. That's anywhere from 150 to 500 points depending on your anniversary. Then you get 3 free poker tourneys every week. That's another 150 chances for you to win free points or cash at books. So you get back anywhere from 6,000-8,000 points depending on how sharp you are. Even if you don't bet them at the book you can redeem 6,000 points per year. That's 40 pizzas at $10 a piece that's $400. So you spend $200 deposit at the book and get back $400 worth of pizzas. So SBR is basically paying you $200 to become a Pro.

Agreed on all points, pavy, but as I recall, you were one of the last holdouts among frequent posters.


If anyone is interested, here's my estimate, assuming 12 points a day holds for pros and trivia continues:

log in and post 350 days per year = 4200
play 97 of a possible 104 trivias and average about 15 points each (first Q is easy, second you have a 1/4 shot even if you have no idea): 1455
anniversary: 2009 member gets 200
no poker, as the person doesn't play it, just bets sports: 0

that'd be 5855 a year.

Due to the price increases, I won't bother with an exact store calculation, but if you stay out of the sportsbook and casino and don't get banned, you should easily be able to get over $200 in whatever you want (gift cards, or pizzas, or merchandise, or sportsbook cash/free plays, or charitable contributions).

[yisman]

anybody know if there was sports trivia today?

there was not. There will be tomorrow and another day this week, I assume.

Yisman he is the definition of an internet troll. This is like his 4th username here at SBR and he is always whining and complaining about SBR. And his way of debating is to constantly post the same shit in the thread over and over. Everyone should just ignore his posts.

I do agree. The interesting thing is that SBR pays him about 50 cents a day to post, and since for him, to post is to troll...

[obamaismyuncle]

Why do you spend so much time and energy trolling about "12 cent giveaways"?

Your points have been discredited repeatedly, but you keep starting more threads, making more posts...

For what?

You've been told again and again that 12 points are worth far more than "12 cents", yet you keep repeating the same tired lines.

Don't want the points? Cool. No one said you had to take them.

He doesn't have $200 to become PRO, bottom line.

[OmgUrMom]

Agreed on all points, pavy, but as I recall, you were one of the last holdouts among frequent posters.

[pavyracer]

Agreed on all points, pavy, but as I recall, you were one of the last holdouts among frequent posters.

I think I waited about a month. I had to have my lawyers give me an opinion on whether giving SBR my account information was a +EV decision.

[tblues2005]

I need to talk to Bill but you guys can count on the renewal process being easy. You guys are one group we certainly do not want to inconvenience. You will need a $200 balance at a sponsor and thats about it, if its the exact same $200 you used a year earlier - no problem.

I can sure understand that. I think that making the renewal process easy would be best here. I say you can have peoples account numbers on file and check with them all and then go from there. I do say contact the member 30 days before renewal comes up and then if they want to they can send you the info on that.

As far as limiting points being sent by non pros I do think that you can have exemptions for certain ones that are not pros yet like maybe making sure that they have been a member of the site for say 6 months or a year and has a min. posts of 1,000 or more and that would limit it down. Maybe you can pass along this info on who is in charge John on that and that would weed out these ghosts. The reason why I am saying that is because in the horse racing section I like to send points to JoeyP sometimes for doing picks and he rightfully deserves it considering he is pretty sharp. I hope he becomes a pro so it will not be a problem but I certainly would like to see him get a little credit from some of us by sending points to him for giving us good horse picks. I don't want to lose him because of this rule. I say this would be a good thing to do for him and others that have been here for some quite time as a pretty loyal member.

[yisman]

pavy, I just remember it because you were very vocal about your decision not to go pro.

Also, regarding what tblues posted:

I also agree that SBR could cut down on ghosts without penalizing all non-pros.

What about members that have been posting for a while, and have at least, say, 500 posts? I understand there's no way to prove definitely that they are not scammers, but I think there's a much lower chance of them being a scammer than a guy I saw (Jakarta or something) posting gibberish in a foreign language with a recent sign-up date.

[obamaismyuncle]

pavy, I just remember it because you were very vocal about your decision not to go pro.

And about a year ago he was very vocal about his decision to not receive SBR points, yes he was very vocal about that as well. What was it, a 12 pack of Diet Coke instead of points?

[yisman]

yeah, I remember that one, lol. He wanted a coupon for a 12 pack and I think Bill or John actually agreed to send it to him in return for his having points disabled. Then the world cup came along...

[lunchbawks]

8% is one hell of an increase. That puts me another few years away from that macbook pro

[sportsfanatic]

And about a year ago he was very vocal about his decision to not receive SBR points, yes he was very vocal about that as well. What was it, a 12 pack of Diet Coke instead of points?

[pavyracer]

I disabled points received for 4 months. I told John and Bill to turn them off in exchange of a coupon for a 12 pack of Coke (not Diet) every month. But when the World Cup came I had to enable them so we can bet more points for props for the hedge fund.

But you guys have no idea what goes behind the scenes. There were intense negotiations with my lawyers and SBR's top brass before I became a Pro.

[OmgUrMom]

pavy thats just sad

[obamaismyuncle]

I disabled points received for 4 months. I told John and Bill to turn them off in exchange of a coupon for a 12 pack of Coke (not Diet) every month. But when the World Cup came I had to enable them so we can bet more points for props for the hedge fund.

But you guys have no idea what goes behind the scenes. There were intense negotiations with my lawyers and SBR's top brass before I became a Pro.

uh huh, oh yea you're right man, we already know...pavyracer six billion, SBR zero. Yep man we know you were right again..

[yisman]

pavy's cool. That whole saga was pretty funny.

[SBR_John]

tblues2005,
After reading read your post I wanted to mention a couple of points.

First the Pro's can transfer unlimited points to whomever they choose. So in your example where you like to transfer points to a good horse capper, nothing will change there. Also keep in mind that under the new rule non Pro's can still transfer 2 points to whomever they want. So this area of the SBR community is still intact.

As far as other security measures such as one poster mentioned there is sophisticated anti ghost software which we are planning to purchase in the near future as well as your suggestion about 6 months and 1000 posts. All ideas are on the table. For now we want to try limiting the amount that non Pro's can transfer because that is where nearly all the abuse is funneled to.

[obamaismyuncle]

pavy's cool. That whole saga was pretty funny.

[yisman]

John, I think what we're trying to say is that it's a big blow to only be able to transfer two points a day.

it does knock out a lot of the scamming, but it also takes out even more legitimate transfers.

If a group could be created for non-pro loyal members to allow for transfers higher than 2 points a day, I think you could make a lot of people happier.

Tenure could be required (6 months or a year or 2 years) plus a certain post count (maybe 500, maybe 1,000, maybe 2,000).

Just a suggestion.

[Shelton]

whatever something new all the time does the gov' t run this site

[pavyracer]

The guy who won the most points in the casino last night has been a member for 7 months and has never made a post. So he is basically logging in every day takes 2 points and bets them at the casino and one day he got lucky.

John should there be a minimum number of posts a poster needs to make before he is allowed to try the casino or sportsbook? As is right now no one can check his point history for fraudulent activity (if there is any).