Cliff Lee signs with the Phillies

**teaserpleaser** · 12-14-10, 12:36 AM

hell of a one -two punch

**Inspirited** · 12-14-10, 12:36 AM

Uh, get the stupid Heat comparisons out of here. The rotation is sick, but the fundamental problem last year was lack of offense, and with the loss of Werth, I really don't see how it's gonna improve unless Rollins and Utley can return back to form. But still wow unbelievable!

**TobiasFunke** · 12-14-10, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by MendozaLine

Wow. The rich get richer. How do teams compete with these teams that seem to have endless money?

Barring injuries, Boston is still the team to beat.

Giants are the team to beat; Phillies now have the best chance of doing it

**Quagmire27** · 12-14-10, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by MendozaLine

How do teams compete with these teams that seem to have endless money?

scouting.

the phils have so many offensive holes, injury prone bats that were not clutch enough to begin with, they'll get no farther than the NLCS, if they get that far...

Giants in the WS again

**Doug** · 12-14-10, 12:36 AM

Yanks getting skunked on free agents. At least they got Jeter...LOL !

Greinke is now the target ?

Pettitte stock should be up.

**KGambler** · 12-14-10, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by jayroy25

I love the hatred of you guys i think your all pissed cuz ur met fans

If he really signed for 5 years, 100M then this is a huge coup for the Phillies and Cliff Lee is a true hero. The chance of that being true is minimal though.

It's probably going to be 7 years, 160Mish. That's a terrible, terrible contract. You don't give anyone a 7 year contract. You especially don't give a 7 year contract to a pitcher. Especially if he is 32 years old! I am proud of the Yankees for finally not falling into this trap. Let the other teams bid against themselves and sign terrible contracts. The Yankees roster is full of "stars" who would not be picked up if they were placed on waivers. That's how disastrous these contracts are.

It's not about the player. It is about the contract. No player is close to being worth what the Phillies paid.

**MendozaLine** · 12-14-10, 12:37 AM

Texas never even had a fukin chance and that's sad to me. The only teams that can bring in these big time FA's are the New York teams, Boston, Philly, and the Chicago teams. No one else stands a fukin chance.

Originally posted by Golokhov

This must be a tough pill to swallow for Texas Rangers fans. Not that anyone really thought Lee would be coming back, but to leave to Philly? For money that Texas could afford? That's a kick in the pants.

**Living The Dream** · 12-14-10, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by jayroy25

I love the hatred of you guys i think your all pissed cuz ur met fans

Actually I am a Yankee fan and grew up in NJ hating all you people. You would all come to the Jersey shore and were slobs and treated our beaches the way you treat your players... Cant WAIT to see how you guys bash this contract in 3 years when his age starts really setting in!! Wow, snowballs at Santa is nothing compared to the batteries you will all be throwing at this guy or his wife in the stands

**Stacocakes** · 12-14-10, 12:40 AM

Didn't see this one coming at all. Yankees are going to panic now. Anyone good left to sign? Maybe they will bring Pavano back haha

**MendozaLine** · 12-14-10, 12:40 AM

yeah, you're lucky to have 2 or 3 competitive years out of every 10. Then when those good young players contracts are up, you can count on those east coast teams signing them to ridiculous contracts.

Originally posted by Quagmire27

scouting.

the phils have so many offensive holes, injury prone bats that were not clutch enough to begin with, they'll get no farther than the NLCS, if they get that far...

Giants in the WS again

**Ace_of_Spades** · 12-14-10, 12:40 AM

Aren't the hitters old and in decline?

**lyon804** · 12-14-10, 12:40 AM

Crown the Phillies now.

**rem sleep** · 12-14-10, 12:41 AM

Lee is the most overrated pitcher in baseball. I'm glad the rangers didnt sign him to a long term deal cuz he's gonna fall off in 3-4 years

**chipleader** · 12-14-10, 12:43 AM

WOW money is not everything for a change. Great decision Cliff Lee.

**ayuntalo** · 12-14-10, 12:45 AM

wow..jayson werth just left a championship ring perhaps..
i wonder who the yankees will pursue now, they are not looking good

**DMB40** · 12-14-10, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Tilt360

Yankee drop the ball again.

how they offered a 6 year deal with a player option for a 7th over 160 million......

They better not trade for Greinke

**fury** · 12-14-10, 12:46 AM

Giants will win the NL again next year lol

**nobodyukno** · 12-14-10, 12:50 AM

I love how all the Yankee fans are comforting themselves now by saying they dodged a bullet by not signing him when Lee screwed both the Yanks and the Rangers over by signing for 5 years worth 100m. Less than they had to offer. Every phillie bat was down last year besides Ruiz. The bats will be back and theres no rotation like this in history

**astrodomer** · 12-14-10, 12:51 AM

something tells me this was the plan all along

**Manaconda** · 12-14-10, 12:51 AM

love to see guys turn down the yanks
who do the yankees go after now? trade for greinke? take a stab at carl pavano again?

**Quagmire27** · 12-14-10, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by MendozaLine

yeah, you're lucky to have 2 or 3 competitive years out of every 10. Then when those good young players contracts are up, you can count on those east coast teams signing them to ridiculous contracts.

the Giants are not the A's, they have a sweet ballpark and enough revenue to keep the important pieces.
what they can't keep will be reloaded by their superior scouting.

**Maxmillion** · 12-14-10, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by DMB40

how they offered a 6 year deal with a player option for a 7th over 160 million...... They better not trade for Greinke

greinke may go off the deep end in ny

**KGambler** · 12-14-10, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by nobodyukno

I love how all the Yankee fans are comforting themselves now by saying they dodged a bullet by not signing him when Lee screwed both the Yanks and the Rangers over by signing for 5 years worth 100m. Less than they had to offer. Every phillie bat was down last year besides Ruiz. The bats will be back and theres no rotation like this in history

Why are you naive enough to believe that he signed for 5 years, 100M? That sounds ridiculous. He not only would be the first player in MLB history to turn down tens of millions of dollars, but he would be the first player in MLB history to stand up to the MLBPA. The MLBPA puts tremendous pressure on any player who thinks about signing with a favored team for a discount. This would be the mother of all discounts.

Like I said earlier, if he did sign for 5 years, 100M then this is a huge coup for the Phillies and Cliff Lee is a true hero. A true hero not just for Phillies fans, but for all baseball fans. Of course, I will believe the 100M part when I see it confirmed. I know "sources have reported" it, but it just seems so unbelievable. If you know about MLB and the MLBPA, then it sounds almost impossible. If true, huge coup for the Phillies.

If they gave him 7 years, slight coup for every team which was tempted to do something dumb but was able to think about the future instead.

**Maxmillion** · 12-14-10, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by rem sleep

Lee is the most overrated pitcher in baseball. I'm glad the rangers didnt sign him to a long term deal cuz he's gonna fall off in 3-4 years

i will take three good years outta cliff.

**Capybara** · 12-14-10, 12:56 AM

And Sox fans rejoice!

That's gonna be a sick rotation. But Giants kind of solved him, that would be interesting to get a Phillies/Giants NLCS again.

**dizzy_7** · 12-14-10, 12:56 AM

all i can say is the phillies are stacked at pitcher and only need a little help in the socring deparment to win most games.. that is a scary bullpen

**Maxmillion** · 12-14-10, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by fury

Giants will win the NL again next year lol

we shall see, everything went right for the giants at the end of last year, no injuries, every move bochy made worked, cody ross got hot, sanchez kept his shit together, wilson was lights out. not sure if all that holds up next year.

**Mikail** · 12-14-10, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by dizzy_7

all i can say is the phillies are stacked at pitcher and only need a little help in the socring deparment to win most games.. that is a scary bullpen

Bullpen has been a disaster for years now. Hopefully they find the right pieces and make something positive out in that department.

**Roy Halladay** · 12-14-10, 01:04 AM

muahahahahahahahaha

**Roy Halladay** · 12-14-10, 01:06 AM

Still need another solid right handed bat. Unless Francisco can evolve into an everyday player...

**KGambler** · 12-14-10, 01:09 AM

OK, the 5 years 100M turned out to be a lie, which is no surprise.

Now they say it is 5 years for "over" 100M, plus a 6th year that automatically vests if certain goals are met. We'll have to wait for the terms, but that sounds like a very reasonable contract for a guy who is maybe the best pitcher in baseball. If the vesting terms are reasonable (as in, he can't meet them if he gets injured during the first 3-4 years) then it sounds like a good contract for the Phillies.

**KGambler** · 12-14-10, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by Roy Halladay

Still need another solid right handed bat.

Now you sound like a Yankee fan.

**joe blow** · 12-14-10, 01:12 AM

What a move..I thought only texas and the yanks were fighting for him

**dwendling** · 12-14-10, 01:12 AM

i'm picking the phillies to win it all. best staff and one of the best batting order

**philswin** · 12-14-10, 01:12 AM

Dominic Brown will also be with the Phillies at some point next season. ESPN had him the number 1 ranked player in the minors on their midseason list last year. He will be a huge addition to the Offense