Drinking and driving? i don't buy it

[moneyline]

There is so much more to a DUI conviction than just a fine and a MM in FL, and in most states (again, AL is, let's just say, "unique") ... DUI school, recommended treatment, $1000+ fine, one MADD victim impact panel class, vehicle immobilization (10 days), 12 months probation, with et after 6 months, 50+ community service hours ...

No such thing as a slap on the wrist here. Then again, our criminals are not forced to live in AL!!!

[Robyn]

(oh, and $10 to the person who knows where the rainbow in the picture is from -- a hint: it ain't Alabama)

Costa Rica?

[Shark79]

nop

[moneyline]

Good guess, actually. They do have some pretty ones there. But that shot is from Zambia, Victoria Falls to be exact, where there is a perpetual rainbow going most of each sunny day. I was obviously a big fan

[Robyn]

Good guess, actually. They do have some pretty ones there. But that shot is from Zambia, Victoria Falls to be exact, where there is a perpetual rainbow going most of each sunny day. I was obviously a big fan

So does that mean I get $5 for a good guess?

[greek]

we got a guy here this is 9th dui, 16th suspension-- iam home RIGHT NOW ----------i was rearended by drunk driver , with no insurance ,havent been to work since valentines day! got physical therapy at 830 wednsday morning[ tomorrow],and my car is still wrecked ,also until we go to court

[Shark79]

we got a guy here this is 9th dui, 16th suspension-- iam home RIGHT NOW ----------i was rearended by drunk driver , with no insurance ,havent been to work since valentines day! got physical therapy at 830 wednsday morning[ tomorrow],and my car is still wrecked ,also until we go to court

Wow Greek!

So sorry to hear that ... hope all comes out in ur benefit .. best of lucks!!

[moneyline]

How about I just give you a piece of the rainbow instead, darlin'?

[Robyn]

How about I just give you a piece of the rainbow instead, darlin'?

YES!!

[BadNina]

All you need now is the unicorns

[Robyn]

Unicorns and rainbows!

[moneyline]

See? Most people need to drink for a full night to get BOTH unicorns and rainbows, or at least spend that time in Ybor. You lucky, lucky girl. Still waiting on my chicken pot pie, though ...

[Robyn]

Was just in Ybor two weeks ago! No unicorns and rainbows, but we saw plenty of homosexuals and God Warriors.

[Shark79]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_RgL2MKfWTo

[5 star bomb]

Robyn will you marry me?

[Shark79]

Robyn will you marry me?

He popped the question

[moneyline]

Yeah, but Robyn's already mine. We have that spoken, unspoken thing goin' on ... passive-aggressive, angst-ridden passion that only a select few experience ...

[Shark79]

Danm! so now theres an actual e-love connection going on

[Robyn]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_RgL2MKfWTo

You know, that's the ultimate suicide song.

[Robyn]

OMG what's going on in here?!

[moneyline]

What can I say? Robyn lives only a few hours away. I can feel the energy flowing across the great, albeit flat, state of FL. West Palm Beach will never be the same again ...

[Shark79]

U have a couple of knights riding unicorns and waving the rainbow flag ...

[Robyn]

Riding unicorns? Well in that case...

[swede96]

Any young lady on this site who has had two glasses of wine with dinner has probably flirted with, not only the waiter, but also the BAC limit if she drove. Is she a criminal? Check out your glass houses before you answer ...

You're absolutely right. I've driven drunk before. I'm not proud of it, but I have. It only takes one or two drinks to put you over the limit. If any of us young ladies were pulled over and blew over a .08 (at least in my state), we would be arrested...and rightfully so. We know the laws. If we choose to take that risk, we will be willing to own up to the crime. Yes, we would be criminals...because we would have broken the law.

[greek]

thanks shark neck, back is feeling better

after therapy today

Wow Greek!

So sorry to hear that ... hope all comes out in ur benefit .. best of lucks!!

[swede96]

Hopefully they understand standard variances better than you are showing at the moment. Otherwise, their clients will be both lighter in the wallet and, in the case, of multiple offenses, making new and interesting friends in the local jail ... which, in Alabama, brings back memories of those lovely days in Deliverance ...

Are you saying that people that get behind the wheel of a car after drinking and risk the lives of anyone they encounter along the way shouldn't be punished?

[BadNina]

... which, in Alabama, brings back memories of those lovely days in Deliverance ...

You do know that was in Georgia, don't ya?

[BrentCrude]

It used to be looked upon as a right of passage.

I live in a small town and it used to be way back when where if a well known adult in town was picked up smashed,the cop would call his house to get someone to pick up the drunk and his vehicle and drive them home.Most of the cops and firemen I know are either heavy drinkers or alcoholics.The cops would do illegal search and seizures of alcohol from stopping kids cars and opening trunks and they would let the kid go with a warning so they could keep the booze for themselves.hehe!They did the same for fireworks the A-holes.When I was in high school and underage in the mid to late 70's we would get let into the strip club and a couple bar owners let us by kegs and cases knowing we were underage.It was different times and very tolerant to underage drinking.Kids would have garage parties serving beer while the parents were home.

That said and done,I really never did any drinking and driving much unless I was sober.By that I mean,leaving town sober for the boonies on empty boondocks forest roads to get to cabins on lakes where we had parties where we would have 3 beers each along the way.We had a couple close calls with game wardens doing illegal road block searches looking for game and fish violators and got lucky stashing the beer in jacket pockets and such.To this day I have a cabin out there and in the summer when it's hot and I mow the lawn,I have 3 beers on the way home so my alcohol level in no way can reach anywhere near the .08 we have here.Wow,has that been lowered over the years.Pretty soon it's going to get to the level where you can just be around booze without drinking any and it will register on the meter where you are over the limit.

Open container fines if you are under the limit used to be $110 here but I'm sure they went up.Then your insurance went up and you had the cops looking at you suspiciously all the time after that.

Does anyone remember being in Vegas a number of years back where it was legal to drink in the back seat of taxis?It's funny how in Vegas you can drink in public but in Reno you get a big fine for it.Per capita,Reno has a bigger street people problem than Vegas does if you can believe that so I guess that's the reason for their drinking crackdown.

I think MADD ''Mothers against drunk driving''is a political agendized joke though.A few years back,a state senator from town that gets them tons of funding was caught drunk driving and MADD spokespeople went on a local talk radio call in show and they were defending him and sticking up for him.All these do gooder non profit organizations sound so good at face value but they are nothing more than a bunch of people finding a racket to collect tax dollars and solicit charitable donations to live high off the hog with.

[moneyline]

Swede,

C'mon, try to keep up. #1 -- you are not a criminal if you are caught, but actually if you break the laws at all. So every time you drive drunk, you are a criminal. Way to go, Swede. Own up to the designation.

#2 -- Check out the thread. If you actually have a BAC at .080 or higher, you have broken the law BUT the breath machines have variances -- you know, making it virtually impossible to know what the BAC actually was for an individual -- and that, my dear, isn't breaking the law when there is a reasonable doubt if a reading is right or not. Although I suspect you'd be one of the uneducated jurors who would get confused when I start speaking of .080, with variances to .075 to .085 on perfectly functioning machines, along with a .020 acceptable variance between sample 1 and sample 2 ...

(sorry, don't want your head to explode with too much knowledge at one time)

[swede96]

1. I did own up. Maybe I didn't express it clearly, but I agree with that point.

2. I did read the thread. Just because your lawyer may be able to get you out of the charged citing "reasonable doubt", that doesn't make a drunk driver any less of a criminal.

[moneyline]

Once again -- for the last time for you -- you know nothing about breath machines, don't demonstrate any understanding of variances and because of this, you'd be the idiot juror who would go "if the machine says .080, it must be" without having any understanding that a State expert would get up and testify that:

1) that reading could also mean .075 on a perfectly functioning machine
2) the reading was taken 60-90 minutes after the person was driving
3) nobody, including them, can say if the BAC was on its way up or down
4) the reading is always affected by how long the person blows and there is no standard to say how long that should be ...

In many ways, you are an average juror. Average intelligence. Below average listening and comprehension skills ...

[Robyn]

I thought this thread was about unicorns and rainbows and how much moneyline adores me.

huh...

[swede96]

Once again -- for the last time for you -- you know nothing about breath machines, don't demonstrate any understanding of variances and because of this, you'd be the idiot juror who would go "if the machine says .080, it must be" without having any understanding that a State expert would get up and testify that:

1) that reading could also mean .075 on a perfectly functioning machine
2) the reading was taken 60-90 minutes after the person was driving
3) nobody, including them, can say if the BAC was on its way up or down
4) the reading is always affected by how long the person blows and there is no standard to say how long that should be ...

In many ways, you are an average juror. Average intelligence. Below average listening and comprehension skills ...

You think you have a pretty huge dick, don't you?

It's not that I don't understand the varience. And if I ever were a juror in a drunk driving case, it would be my job to take that into consideration.

What I'm saying is that the guy that gets off after blowing a .081 when it was really a .086 because his lawyer convinced the jury that it could have been a .076 is still a criminal. He still broke the law. He got lucky, but he broke the law.

And telling me that the test was given 60 to 90 minutes later doesn't help someone's case if they are trying to prove their innocence because BAC drop over time. So if a guy blows a 0.08 90 minutes after he was pulled over, his BAC is about a drink lower than it would have been. He would have been more drunk at the time he was pulled over. As a juror, it would be my job to take that into consideration too.

[moneyline]

I do adore you, darlin'. Even when my BAC is under .080.

[moneyline]

Swede, I can have a medium-sized dick and still have the jump on you. You still don't understand if someone blows a .081, it MIGHT NOT BE A
.081. It might actually be a .076 ... or a .077 ... or a .078 ... there is NO WAY TO KNOW, by the words of the people who invented, maintain and use the machine for the State.

And BAC doesn't automatically drop over time ... it rises, plateaus and THEN drops ... just another misconception by my little average juror ... of course, lawyers on both sides try to explain the concept to you and you get confused.

Heck, you can never go wrong underestimating the intelligence of the average juror (thanks P.T. Barnum, sorry I bastardized your quote)