Nfl mvp: Vick or brady?

[jayroy25]

I dont think peple are giving vick the credit. Remember he has not played a full season in almost 3 years. Im with vick but its hard to compare. I doubt you will ever see another player do what vick has done in first full season outa prison. Making it back to the nfl isnt easy yet have a season like he is

[zert]

I think it has to be Brady at this point of the season

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

I give Vick a 20% chance of winning it right now.

[will2survive]

Wow... After Vick's performance today and Brady's performance tonight, this is definitely DEAD EVEN in my book. Upcoming games will decide it. I might even give Vick the edge now. 28 points in the 4th quarter comeback. Vick threw for 3 TD's today with 130 yards rushing. Thinking about it,slight edge to Vick

[Bergonzi]

Is Vic a running back or QB? If keeps running the ball like that he is going to get fcked up sooner or later. I don't want to hear all these bandwagon NFL people about not hitting QB's. He is clearly putting himself out there to get his head knocked off. Screw Andy Reid and his whining about protecting Vic. He is a player that wants it both ways. He is just an average QB, that is really a running back. Someone should pound that fck into the ground.

[brahmabull117]

Is Vic a running back or QB? If keeps running the ball like that he is going to get fcked up sooner or later. I don't want to hear all these bandwagon NFL people about not hitting QB's. He is clearly putting himself out there to get his head knocked off. Screw Andy Reid and his whining about protecting Vic. He is a player that wants it both ways. He is just an average QB, that is really a running back. Someone should pound that fck into the ground.

an average QB??

he is top 3 in the league in passing yards per game, pass TDs per game and Passer rating

are you fukking kidding me?

[rsnnh12]

Brady still has it, but Vick caught up today. It was more a ridiculously poor defensive effort by NY than Vick dominating them, but it still counts for Vick.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them get co-MVPs

[raiders32]

Vick has been great , but Brady is just better.

[brahmabull117]

Brady still has it, but Vick caught up today. It was more a ridiculously poor defensive effort by NY than Vick dominating them, but it still counts for Vick. I wouldn't be surprised to see them get co-MVPs

Tom Brady had 163 total yards today and the Patriots still won the game

the eagles don't have a chance in hell of winning on any given day if Vick has numbers even close to that. Vick has to go off for 260 - 400+ yards every single game for the eagles to win

that's the reason why Vick = MVP. He is that entire team

[whadeeb]

Brady, but Vick is fun to watch

[jayroy25]

How bout let the voters vote then whoever wins the super bowl will have last laugh. Simple as that. End of story

[venice2222]

Vick has more comeback wins.

[rsnnh12]

Tom Brady had 163 total yards today and the Patriots still won the game

the eagles don't have a chance in hell of winning on any given day if Vick has numbers even close to that. Vick has to go off for 260 - 400+ yards every single game for the eagles to win

that's the reason why Vick = MVP. He is that entire team

Brady just doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't cost his team the game. He protects the ball, and makes plays. Sure, he has a good team around him.

As for the comeback wins argument- Brady has comebacks against the Ravens and Packers, both in the 4th quarter.... and are we supposed to punish him for getting the job done early in the game too? Just because he usually gets his team in a position to win early isn't a reason to take away from his resume IMO...

[Ochocinco85mvp]

Vick wins in my eyes. MOST VALUEBLE PLAYER. Vick can pass like brady but brady cant run like vick.

[brahmabull117]

Brady just doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't cost his team the game. He protects the ball, and makes plays. Sure, he has a good team around him

that's great and all but it doesn't make him MVP. MVP = most valuable player


the most valuable player to his team in the league is Mike Vick. I mean you saw it today with your own eyes. The Eagles needed Vick to go off for 374 yards and 4 touchdowns just to have a chance to win their game while the patriots were able to win when Brady had just 163 total yards and only really engineered 2 remotely decent drives all night long

Mike Vick is responsible for nearly 83% of his team's total offensive output. Brady should get the MVP when he comes even remotely close to that number, until then how can you really argue that Vick is the most important player in the league to his team's success?

[beerman2619]

you clowns Brady has done this all year long he is the mvp no question. Vick give it a rest this guy will choke in the playoffs like he has his whole career. Vick had a great second half today but what was his numbers at half? He didn't even play a whole season this year. If the giants don't go into prevent defense they shut this guy down like they did in the first half. Vick had what 30 yards at half nice job.

[beerman2619]

Did someone say Vick can pass like Brady that is the joke of the year. Yeah he has proved that in his career hasn't he .

[jsmithj88]

Tom Brady had 163 total yards today and the Patriots still won the game the eagles don't have a chance in hell of winning on any given day if Vick has numbers even close to that. Vick has to go off for 260 - 400+ yards every single game for the eagles to win that's the reason why Vick = MVP. He is that entire team

its still bradys mvp to lose
brady is 12-2 in the much more competitive afc
road wins @pitt, @SD, @chi, home wins jets, indy, ravens
the dude has only 29 TD 4 ints .......... 4!!!!!!!! and they came in 2 games
think about that, hes only thrown picks in 2 games all year
his qb rating is 100 or higher in 8 out of 12 games this year

of the games vick has won, hes only beaten 2 teams with winning records
the giants twice and indy
every other of his wins are against sub .500 teams

vick has by far the better weapons on offense
as great as vick has been, brady still the mvp

[brahmabull117]

its still bradys mvp to lose
brady is 12-2 in the much more competitive afc
road wins @pitt, @SD, @chi, home wins jets, indy, ravens
the dude has only 29 TD 4 ints .......... 4!!!!!!!! and they came in 2 games
think about that, hes only thrown picks in 2 games all year
his qb rating is 100 or higher in 8 out of 12 games this year

of the games vick has won, hes only beaten 2 teams with winning records
the giants twice and indy
every other of his wins are against sub .500 teams

vick has by far the better weapons on offense
as great as vick has been, brady still the mvp

vick averages far better numbers if you include his rushing totals though


he has I believe 27 touchdowns in just 9.5 games this year...he would have around 46 total TDs if you project his numbers to 16 games

[Naz18]

Vick has more missed games then Patriot losses....Still gotta go with Brady.

[Fischnasty]

tough one, id have to go with tommy though on this one

[Pappas40]

Brady.....is MVP

[stealthyburrito]

brady a no-brainer still at this point.

[jsmithj88]

vick averages far better numbers if you include his rushing totals though he has I believe 27 touchdowns in just 9.5 games this year...he would have around 46 total TDs if you project his numbers to 16 games

wats ur point? a couple more tds against losing teams doesnt make him better than brady
its bradys mvp to lose

[maxcraft]

Brady of course.. It's always white before black here in the US..

[B1GER1C828]

i dont think its clearcut. brady or vick. both have been great but i still vote brady. go gem em brady!

[Reno Paul]

Got to give it to Brady by a short margin so far......Could go either way.

[Whippit]

I'd first have to see Vick's numbers vs Flynn

[spargament]

Lol in the SBR book I took the prop on Vick NOT to win MVP +300 after his offensive explosion vs the skins earlier this year...Vicks performance Sunday @NYG definitely instills the first doubts I've had on the wager which has been pending. Luckily Brady has been otherworldly, and the patriots have so many quality victories DIRECTLY attributable to Brady. We've seen Peyton Manning this year FINALLY show chinks in his seemingly impenetrable armor of dominance at the quarterback position when bombarded with injuries to top receivers, Addai, and his O-line. Brady doesn't have the same guys from 08 16-0 season, and has DEFINITELY also had to deal with the injury bug attacking offensive starters, the only difference being he hasn't skipped a beat. Receivers that leave Brady somehow consistently seem to underperform, and the ones that have been reunited with him (deon branch) pick up their production and it's like they haven't missed a beat. He doesn't even have the defense he used to be able to rely on so much (gave up 27 to GB, secondary was really exposed a couple games ago against Detroit as being less than contenderworthy). Yet, he undoubtably is at the helm of the best team for the NFL, and is the primary reason for their success.

In summation I think Brady is the definitive favorite still, and I also don't think he has nearly the offensive weapons in Maclin and ESPECIALLY DeSean Jackson that Vick can rely on to be playmakers. Welker is definitely a number 1 option, but this team has nothing resembling Reggie Wayne/Jackson/Holmes/Old Moss big burner.

Plus judging from the general public reaction I get when I talk with others about him, I suspect many voters still have too much of a bad taste in their mouth relating to Vick's past transgressions which will prevent him from capturing an award he certainly is a top contender for. I did NOT have this concern for Cam Newton in terms of the Heisman..his performance on the field always ended up overshadowing his issues, yet Vick has tried to be a model citizen since his prison release, and outside of gaining respect as a QB and a man, he remains ostracized by friends of mine who are pet lovers.

Personally I have Vick in 2nd behind Brady...the next 8 in my opinion are much more equally matched, and I think many competent cappers would have a few different names on each list (3 through 10) if they were to post their personal top 10 MVP candidates in order

[jsmithj88]

Lol in the SBR book I took the prop on Vick NOT to win MVP +300 after his offensive explosion vs the skins earlier this year...Vicks performance Sunday @NYG definitely instills the first doubts I've had on the wager which has been pending. Luckily Brady has been otherworldly, and the patriots have so many quality victories DIRECTLY attributable to Brady. We've seen Peyton Manning this year FINALLY show chinks in his seemingly impenetrable armor of dominance at the quarterback position when bombarded with injuries to top receivers, Addai, and his O-line. Brady doesn't have the same guys from 08 16-0 season, and has DEFINITELY also had to deal with the injury bug attacking offensive starters, the only difference being he hasn't skipped a beat. Receivers that leave Brady somehow consistently seem to underperform, and the ones that have been reunited with him (deon branch) pick up their production and it's like they haven't missed a beat. He doesn't even have the defense he used to be able to rely on so much (gave up 27 to GB, secondary was really exposed a couple games ago against Detroit as being less than contenderworthy). Yet, he undoubtably is at the helm of the best team for the NFL, and is the primary reason for their success. In summation I think Brady is the definitive favorite still, and I also don't think he has nearly the offensive weapons in Maclin and ESPECIALLY DeSean Jackson that Vick can rely on to be playmakers. Welker is definitely a number 1 option, but this team has nothing resembling Reggie Wayne/Jackson/Holmes/Old Moss big burner. Plus judging from the general public reaction I get when I talk with others about him, I suspect many voters still have too much of a bad taste in their mouth relating to Vick's past transgressions which will prevent him from capturing an award he certainly is a top contender for. I did NOT have this concern for Cam Newton in terms of the Heisman..his performance on the field always ended up overshadowing his issues, yet Vick has tried to be a model citizen since his prison release, and outside of gaining respect as a QB and a man, he remains ostracized by friends of mine who are pet lovers. Personally I have Vick in 2nd behind Brady...the next 8 in my opinion are much more equally matched, and I think many competent cappers would have a few different names on each list (3 through 10) if they were to post their personal top 10 MVP candidates in order

that pretty up summerizes my views as well. vicks dog fighting is a non-factor for my opinion of the mvp race
brady has beaten more quality teams at home and on the road than vick
brady also has less offensive weapons, and his D gives up the most yards in the NFL
yet brady has the top offense in the nfl with nobody's at WR.

[spargament]

that pretty up summerizes my views as well. vicks dog fighting is a non-factor for my opinion of the mvp race
brady has beaten more quality teams at home and on the road than vick
brady also has less offensive weapons, and his D gives up the most yards in the NFL
yet brady has the top offense in the nfl with nobody's at WR.

i agree, as its the MVP award, and not a character lifetime achievement award...but just like certain sportswriters made statements on public TV regarding their voting in awards particularly in college football, and seem to feel like they can twist the definition of the best candidate based on personal values in addition to talent, or really anything they want...as I heard recently regarding Newton on Around the Horn (paraphrasing) ' its my vote, i can do what i like with it. if you have a problem with that, then change the system and don't give me a vote'

It sounded awfully similar to what I've heard from white-collar criminals rationalizing their abuse of loopholes.

[unde0087]

Like I said weeks ago, Vick should get this award. He can throw like Brady but he can run just as well. When he is on top of his game you cant defend it. Brady couldn't even muster enough to win tonight. It had to come from special teams plays

[jsmithj88]

Like I said weeks ago, Vick should get this award. He can throw like Brady but he can run just as well. When he is on top of his game you cant defend it. Brady couldn't even muster enough to win tonight. It had to come from special teams plays

i dont remember vick kicking an onside kick or returning the game winning punt for the eagles?
didnt special teams save vicks ass ...... twice?

[hustla]

Tom Brady, it's a no brainer

[azn624]

Brady would probably win it. Vick could've if he played the whole season, but missing those games do hurt his chances. I wouldn't mind a co-MVP but Brady is most likely winning it.