(...because that would be of interest to me... :P)
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The same thing happened to me with Big Juicy Odds. They were giving way too high odds on sweetheart teasers for NFL. I never played teasers before so I didn't know that. Some posters in here told me when I posted these plays. I called them up and told them about the mistake. They let me keep my winnings, wasn't a huge amount. I was happy, they were happy. I offered to give the money back. They didn't care since it was a small amount.Comment -
Did you do your rollover and get a payout of the money SBG/Royal stole from you ?Comment -
Check out this thread. The guy was manipulating the system and was in fact getting around +260 on what should have been a standard -110 bet. Most of SBR staff, including Bill Dozer, states that he should be paid, because WW did not catch this "in due time".Originally posted by rickjames
So either WagerWeb is upgraded or VIP downgraded here.
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I agree 100%. I wonder what book it is? Maybe Bookmaker. What other books offer mobile wagering? Is it VIP?Originally posted by magnavoxComment -
Well....
After sifting through that thread my interest is at leeast piqued.
I guess the question at the heart of the issue is.....
Is the book obligated to payout at the odds generated in the normal use of their own system.
They're accusing me of fraud, same as was accused in the other case. I fully believe I've done nothing of the sort. I was a teaser player beforehand, I would have continued to play teasers whether they had a bug on their end or not.
I do believe I found the book in question through SBR, I believe they were an A. If the book in question in the previous case renigs on a five figure sum and loses their "B-" rating, I'd like an objective point of view.......
as to whether their suspension of me on the grounds of fraud is acceptable.
I haven't done anything fradulent. I also wasn't the neighborhood watchdog on their side......but that's a role I believe they have a signifigant payroll to fill out. I don't feel right being accused of fraud given what I've done. If the wagers had all been canceled, I'd realistically have no qualms...but they weren't.
So is the book responsible for paying out on the action it takes?
The blame lies with their programmer, I suppose. Have I committed fraud based on THEIR error?Comment -
I'm not naming a book until it's been named by an authority on the situation, I submitted a complaint. Speculation is what it is.
The fraud accusation just kind of shakes me, given the ramifications. I didn't modify their system in an illegal way....I bet at the given lines.Comment -
The cases are absolutely not analogous.Comment -
....and to wonder aloud....
If they're not suspending me for fraud, what is it that i've done which requires suspension and withholding of funds?
Illegal manipulation somehow? I guess if I were an NHL totals player who started to bet on NFL teasers exclusively.
But no...I was a guy who played mostly NFL, and a ton of 7 point teasers......those on the -3 or -4 quite frequently even beforehand. That's how or why i discovered their mistake.....
My logic being....7 point teaser on a -3 crosses the "3" twice....so logically -3 is the best number to include.....etc...
I would assume it's their job to identify and fix their own error. Unless I'm on their hourly payroll, that's not my job.
Is identifing horrible lines given by the book the same as fraud? Both in the teaser case, and the Eli Manning INT/incomplete case which I believe led to my suspension..... both cases were book errors. In the Manning case, they correctly identified the problem and canceled the bet in time. If they hadn't, wouldn't they then be responsible for posting such a horrible line/prop?
And isn't the same argument generally applicable to the teaers?
....and would those who benefit from either/or be guilty of fraud?
If I'd made an extremely large extremely poor bet with a TON of juice, at the odds given by the book and I lost, I would in no way expect the wager to be declared null, or the funds to be given back to me.
Can they have it both ways?Comment -
I'll be out of town until Tuesday.
I'd be eager to hear of any communication from the book in question regarding this....
Hopefully SBR might contact the book in question on my behalf as they did in the other case....
Either way i'll revisit this thread then, and I thank everybody for the outside viewpoints and information
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rick - while your intentions were bad, once a bet is accepted, it's final. it must be paid....you should be paid in full. it's their fault they are in business without operating software.Comment -
VIP's payout odds are in print. If anything, it's a bad line given through the mobile betting platform and they should pay him at the correct odds, which would mean he owes the book money.
I see no similarities between this and Wagerweb dispute. In fact, in this case the player got a sweet deal, profited and cashed. The WW shot-taker lost time, some legit winning plays and the book was the only party that stood to gain.Comment -
What happens in the real world.
No difference here, or in the WW case IMO.Comment
