how often will you buy or sell points? what sports?

[mofome]

i love adj lines in baseball, but i dont buy/sell points too often in football or basketball. anyone do much of this? what are the best basketball numbers to move?

[diogee]

I used to buy points in basketball but only in parlays...no long do it since betjam doesn't allow it.

[mofome]

I used to buy points in basketball but only in parlays...no long do it since betjam doesn't allow it.

did you have some success with it?

[diogee]

I did much better...usually bought 2 points per game. Started doing it because I lost and 8-teamer by half a point. Looked at it as a security blanket.

[frostno98]

Only buy 2-3 points in NCAAB, and thats when doing par 3's only.

[MadCapper]

hardly ever use it.

if i have to buy then im not confident enough in that play.

[HedgeHog]

Ganch's half point calculator is great for helping decide whether to buy points. In football, I'll buy on/off common numbers like 3, 7 & 10. In Baskets, I can't think of any situation that warrants paying 10 cents per 1/2 point, especially Totals.

[curious]

I check the lines at all the major books from the opening line and I buy enough points to get me the best line offered on that play, up to 3 points. This has paid off a lot more than it has cost becaause it has turned so many losers and pushes into wins or pushes.

Anytime I get lazy and don't do this I regret it.

[HedgeHog]

If you buy 3 points in basketball, that raises a -105 line to -165 (-170 for full juice people). At this steep price, you must hit 63% or better to show a profit. I just don't think those few points make that type of impact on your win %.

[curious]

If you buy 3 points in basketball, that raises a -105 line to -165 (-170 for full juice people). At this steep price, you must hit 63% or better to show a profit. I just don't think those few points make that type of impact on your win %.

"I just dont' think those few points make that type of impact on your win %".
I know for a fact that they do.

But I don't have to buy 3 points very often. Normally it is 1/2 or 1, sometimes 1 1/2 or 2. I keep accurate records of the win loss % with making sure I got the best line offered on that play (buying the points) and without doing that (not buying the points). Doing this more than pays for itself for me. I cannot speak for other people.

The formula I use to pick games has a tendency to pick very close games ATS. Making sure I got the best line offered turns a lot of potential losers and pushes into winners.

[increasedodds]

Curious - it may have worked so far, but randomly buying points to get to the best line is a great way to eventually go broke.

No one should buy points without knowing what the points are worth. There are very few instances where a half point can be bought for 10 cents and be profitable.

If you want to know what a half point is worth, go to Pinnacle (If they still have drop down menus) and look at what they are selling the 1/2 point for and then subtract half a cent or a cent and you know the value.

Sean

[Crayzee]

i buy points all the time

in football if i'm close enough to a 7 or 3 i ALWAYS buy

i almost always take dogs so 2-1/2 to 3
12-1/2 to 14 etc

in baskets again i usually take dogs so sometimes i buy and sometimes not
if its a 1/2 number i usually only buy 1-1/2

on parlays i always buy

[zerocage]

Naw don't do it

[raiders72002]

what are the best basketball numbers to move?

2 in NCAA and 6 and 7 in the NBA. Always buy off/on 2 in the tourney.

[raiders72002]

Never buy in NCAA foots. Buy in the NFL 3 and 7 depending on total and the cost to buy.

Only sell in sports where the lines can be volatile.

[Ganchrow]

If you want to know what a half point is worth, go to Pinnacle (If they still have drop down menus) and look at what they are selling the 1/2 point for and then subtract half a cent or a cent and you know the value.

Or you can just punch up my half-point calculator.

[mofome]

2 in NCAA and 6 and 7 in the NBA. Always buy off/on 2 in the tourney.

do you track these things or have you just found that it works for you? i know the players and teams, im trying to slowly improve my handicapping; increasing my chances of winning long term. the nba is probably the sports i cap the most poorly.

[mofome]

Or you can just punch up my half-point calculator.

never seen that before, do people know these things are here? did you create that yourself?

[raiders72002]

Ganch's tools are incredible. But I've also said it before. He doesn't have the street smarts of JJGold. I saw a guy take Ganch for $500 playing 3 card monte while JJGold hasn't lost yet.

Coach did set a guy up one time. He lost 3 times in a row for $25 purposely. The guy asks Coach, " do you want to up the stakes, you're do?"

Coach says,"Let's make it $500" and he ended up walking away with $425.

[raiders72002]

do you track these things

Track- I only buy off/on 2 in the NCAA during the tourney. I never buy in the NBA.

Ganch's data is really good. Everyone should try to use it and get comfortable with it. Once you do then you can make your own decisions on it.

[Ganchrow]

never seen that before, do people know these things are here?

I'm sure some people do. I certainly try to publicize their existence. The complete set of tools may be found by clicking "Tools" on the menu above the forum navigation, right next to "Odds". Or you could just click here.

did you create that yourself?

From start to finish.

[mofome]

Ganch's tools are incredible. But I've also said it before. He doesn't have the street smarts of JJGold. I saw a guy take Ganch for $500 playing 3 card monte while JJGold hasn't lost yet.

Coach did set a guy up one time. He lost 3 times in a row for $25 purposely. The guy asks Coach, " do you want to up the stakes, you're do?"

Coach says,"Let's make it $500" and he ended up walking away with $425.

[mofome]

I'm sure some people do. I certainly try to publicize their existence. The complete set of tools may be found by clicking "Tools" on the menu above the forum navigation, right next to "Odds". Or you could just click here.

From start to finish.

well, i haven't been made aware of these things and im here all the time. maybe a sticky in one of the forums would be a good feature? with all the new people, im sure many have no idea that these things are available.

[mofome]

here.

bookmarked.

[raiders72002]

maybe a sticky in one of the forums would be a good feature?

agree

Ganch- I'm not trying to be a smartass but set it up, like someone we know, where it's all encompassed on one page. I think that option should be available.

[Ganchrow]

agree

Ganch- I'm not trying to be a smartass but set it up, like someone we know, where it's all encompassed on one page. I think that option should be available.

Coming soon.

[raiders72002]

Coming soon.

[increasedodds]

Ganch - love the tools.

Any chance you know the value of half points on halves and quarters?

Thanks,

Sean

[RealSlimShady]

I never buy points....I do look to sell occasionally.

[Cee]

I buy in nfl football. Mostly 3 to 2.5 or 3.5 - 3. Ill do the same with 7s

[HedgeHog]

Never buy in NCAA foots. Buy in the NFL 3 and 7 depending on total and the cost to buy.Only sell in sports where the lines can be volatile.

The only exception I have is the College football 3 for 10 cents (only a few places do it that cheaply-Betonline is one). So if the line is +2.5 -105 , I'll buy it to +3 -115 (0r even +3.5 -125 especially if a low scoring game is expected).

Before coming here, I used to think that paying 20 cents to get on/off the NFL 3 was too much. It's not! It's actually a great buy. Just goes to show that an even an old dog can learn a new trick if he keeps an open mind.

[durito]

If you buy 3 points in basketball, that raises a -105 line to -165 (-170 for full juice people). At this steep price, you must hit 63% or better to show a profit. I just don't think those few points make that type of impact on your win %.

Adding 3 pts to the home team line in every game the last 10 seasons in NCAABB I get an ATS winning percentage of 61.2% vs 49.8% with the original line. At -170, a 61.2% is a negative edge of -2.8% vs -4.9% for 49.8% at -110.

Despite what some people think works for them, for the most part (with exceptions, use the calculator to check) books charge fairly close (or too much (pinnacle)) to the value of the pt. If buying the pts make you fell better fine, but increasing your winning percentage is meaningless if you are decreasing your payout odds by a proportional amount.

[Data]

increasing your winning percentage is meaningless if you are decreasing your payout odds by a proportional amount.

The benefit is lowering the variance.

[Louisvillekid1]

i never do it. Nice info durito

[mofome]

Adding 3 pts to the home team line in every game the last 10 seasons in NCAABB I get an ATS winning percentage of 61.2% vs 49.8% with the original line. At -170, a 61.2% is a negative edge of -2.8% vs -4.9% for 49.8% at -110.

Despite what some people think works for them, for the most part (with exceptions, use the calculator to check) books charge fairly close (or too much (pinnacle)) to the value of the pt. If buying the pts make you fell better fine, but increasing your winning percentage is meaningless if you are decreasing your payout odds by a proportional amount.

nice post rito