Which SLEEPER starting pitchers will be of great value this year?

[mofome]

Marked.



I do in the long run, and with them dealing Bedard I think Patton has an outstanding shot to be in that rotation.

It's going to be interesting to see how Micah Owings comes out of spring with the Diamondbacks. Arizona isn't going to sneak up on anyone this year like last, but if Owings comes out at the back end of that rotation, he could draw some nice prices early in the season when matched against some bigger names.

The Giants are going to be dogs the vast majority of the time, and that could lend itself to some nice games to be on Cain's or Lincecum's side. Cain pitched far better than your average 16-game loser last season.

Owings is an interesting guy. he didnt dominate the minors too much and i dont like his secondary stuff all that much, but he pitches in the softest hitting division in the league and thats bound to help him. he had some great starts next year and he obviously knows how to get people out, i just don't know that he has the stuff to be more than a decent #3/4 type guy. Then again, thats not bad. Cain started out last year dominating but then he hit a stretch where he seemed to fatigue. there are stints where he allows the least amount of hits per 9 over a month span and then other times where he seems very hittable. his fastball sneaks up on people, but i think its time he gets something better offspeed as well.
lincecum will be a cy young award winner, imo, at some point.

[Willie Bee]

Agreed, Cee. Throw in the southpaw Doug Davis, and Owings likely emerges from camp in the four-hole. That will pit him against other #4's, #5's early, and then when the rotations get a bit discombobulated, he could draw some fat prices against other teams' #1's and #2's.

[LT Profits]

Not a youngster, but Javier Vasquez could be good if he pitches like he did last year but gets some run support.

[nobshine]

Sissy boy Ben Sheets. Contract year and might be able to play through a blister. I know he has been an allstar but this year he Has to perform or gone.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Mark my worlds: Padilla 14.3 wins, Ramirez 13.6, Pavano 17.9 wins.

That's going to be an amazing call on Pavano since he's not expected back till mid-season if at all.

[picantel]

What about Gorzelanny. He wore out at the end and was hurt but was pretty good until that point.

[mofome]

What about Gorzelanny. He wore out at the end and was hurt but was pretty good until that point.

nice pic. great talent, the pirates got a lot of calls about possibly moving him and they declined to discuss it.

[clonecat]

What about Gorzelanny. He wore out at the end and was hurt but was pretty good until that point.

Good hit, his youth showed that baseball is a very long season.

[Peeig]

This is my first post on this forum, but this subject is too tempting..................I like Cain and Lincecum in SF, the team won't be too good, but these two will have some outstanding days...........Jeremy Guthrie could be helpful here too.........

[bigboydan]

Welcome to the SBR forum sir

I do agree that both Cain and Lincecum could have some very good value, however I'm not so sure about Guthrie. He did tail off towards the end of the season if I remember correctly.

[mofome]

This is my first post on this forum, but this subject is too tempting..................I like Cain and Lincecum in SF, the team won't be too good, but these two will have some outstanding days...........Jeremy Guthrie could be helpful here too.........

welcome peeig.

lincecum and cain have pretty big expectations coming into the year, its hard to define a 'sleeper' really. someone thats going to be good, or someone thats going to blow away what they're expected to do? guthrie has good stuff, the league is obviously tough, but he was highly thought of when he was drafted and he'll probably get the opening day start for the Os.

[purecarnagge]

I dunno about sleepers but Im going to say the rockies have a bad year, following last year and a small payroll I think they get worked this year.

[Kellen]

Yovani Gallardo, not sure about the spelling.

[mofome]

Yovani Gallardo, not sure about the spelling.

spelled correctly. he sure made a huge leap last season dominating in the minors and then proving ready for the league at age 21.

[Cee]

Ian Kennedy, nyy

[mofome]

Ian Kennedy, nyy

yanks have some impressive youth. 10 years of joba, hughes, and kennedy? i hope not.

[Cee]

yanks have some impressive youth. 10 years of joba, hughes, and kennedy? i hope not.

Would be nice to see NY with some pitching again like in the old days when they actually won

[MadCapper]

i think oliver perez is always overvalued.

[Cabo]

Adam Wainwright might step up for the Cards. The team is going to struggle this year.

[mofome]

Adam Wainwright might step up for the Cards. The team is going to struggle this year.

he certainly came on strong later in the 07 season. surprised me a bit.

[Kellen]

Will John Maine have another good season or was last season just a fluke? I dont think hes gonna be as good as he was the first 7/8 of the season last year.

[mofome]

Will John Maine have another good season or was last season just a fluke? I dont think hes gonna be as good as he was the first 7/8 of the season last year.

his ha numbers were amazing for most of last season. that was a terrible trade by the os. i think he'll be an above average #3 next year pitching out of the #4 spot.

[MadCapper]

maine is solid.

i think penny will be overvalued.

[willyback]

Bonderman's no sleeper... plus he runs out of gas post all-star break (just ask the angels). Ervin Jackson (TB), Matt Garza (TB), Dontrelle Willis - change of venue: legitimate shot at a division title (and possible world series) could boost his abilities on the mound: going against weak bats in MIN and CHI (DET), Jeremy Guthrie (BAL) - I don't see the books giving him much respect with BAL, the list goes on...

[MadCapper]

nice list willy,

dont like willis in the al tho.

[willyback]

I agree Madcapper, Willis in the AL is a risk. the only reason I cite Willis is because he doesn't have to be great to win games (4.50 ERA could translate into 12 to 14 wins). Detroit's line-up keeps him in the game. Plus, it's a huge confidence booster for any pitcher to know that the offense can back him up. They take more risks, pitch more freely (even if they give up some runs), and it's not necessarily the end of the game. I think Willis will thrive under these conditions.

[Bluehorseshoe]

I agree Madcapper, Willis in the AL is a risk. the only reason I cite Willis is because he doesn't have to be great to win games (4.50 ERA could translate into 12 to 14 wins). Detroit's line-up keeps him in the game. Plus, it's a huge confidence booster for any pitcher to know that the offense can back him up. They take more risks, pitch more freely (even if they give up some runs), and it's not necessarily the end of the game. I think Willis will thrive under these conditions.

I disagree. I see him getting lit up in the AL. Doesn't he have a bad record against the AL in Inter-league play already?

[willyback]

I could be wrong, but he has the necessary skills to be a good pitcher. We're not talking about Livan Hernandez or Woody Williams - mediocre pitchers that are best suited for the NL (if not the minors). You have to factor in the pitcher's mood/confidence/outlook on ability to win - and of course - how he feels about the organization. Look at Santana last year - his numbers were good, but not Santana great. Why? He didn't believe in the Twins as a serious AL Central contender. Dontrelle's not an ace (the Marlin's made that mistake), but he could be a reliable 3rd, 4th or 5th starter in the rotation.

[dwaechte]

Not sure how out of the radar these guys are, but McGowan and Marcum should be very solid in Toronto.

McGowan throws one of the heaviest fastballs in the league and hitters really have trouble getting the bat on it squarely. He's got the stuff to be a 15-20 game winner with an ERA in the low 3's.

Marcum on the other hand may have been a flash in the pan last year, as his stuff is not nearly as good, but he's got great accuracy and can really control the flow of the game. Doesn't go deep into games though either.

Once again, being from Toronto I have no idea how well these guys are being picked up on through in other places, but I've got high expectations and if you look at the stats/game logs from last season you'll see why.

[MadCapper]

Marcum and McGowan were very pricy towards the end of last season.

[wtt0315]

john maine

[rake922]

Clay Buchholz will win the Cy Young Award IMO

[rjt721]

Jason Bergmann
Chris Capuano (seriously)

[Wassymac]

Anthony Reyes goes from 2 W's to 13

[2Pac]

Anthony Reyes goes from 2 W's to 13

That was a typo, right? You surely meant 3 not 13.