And still....all of this (while fun filled facts of the past) have no bearing on this game. And now I have an urge to see if we can send Urban to DCMH.
bad Nina. Be nice.
bad Nina. Be nice.
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Mac....I'm more interested in the actual game on the field Saturday...but since you are so convinced that the Gator's football program is as holy and perfect as Tebow.....here is a piece written in 2007 (so it hasn't been updated with current Gator criminals) but should suffice for enough to say....your beloved Gators have a tainted past as well.....lots of AK47's...drug running...beatings...compared to selling text books...hmmmmm.....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...12/fla.wilson/ Player pulled AK47 on a guy
I can go on and on...but again...let's settle it on the field
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Sorry...the link won't pull up so I'm pasting it here:
Losers With Socks: SEC Speed
Ranking the Florida Gator Arrests
June 21, 2007
by Jai Eugene
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Rate ThisUpdate as of July 6th, Where have they all gone????Herban??? [link]
Update July 16, 2007…Demps to rejoin the depleted Gator Defense [Link]
UPDATE JULY 2, 2007 – Gator Site hacked and Herban the Dicsiplinarian deals it out on Brandon [Top 1% of 1%]. Go Gators!!!
Just the other day, I noticed that Larry Brown Sports [link] had ranked the Cincinnati Bengals arrests from best to worst. I thought that it was criminal that the NFL’s most prolific criminal enterprise get all of the headlines.
I believed that the Florida Gators have earned some glory too. So, I asked Larry Brown if he cared if we ranked the Gators criminal enterprise like he had ranked the Bengals. He said, “just send me the link to the post”.
I tried to make a top 10, from best to worst or is it worst to best (I got confused)…. But there were so many heinous crimes/assaults/stabbings/shootings and theft that I had to list some evil-doing as honorable mention. Like the “Its good to be Chris Rainey” recruitment or the mysterious throat slashing keg stealer.
And yes Canes and Noles, I know that some of the lesser crimes just did not make this list. I was tired of researching and writing.
Here are my top 10:
1. After Jarvis “Puffy” Moss jumped up (Ganja increased his vertical by 18″) and salvaged the croc’s season against the Gamecocks by blocking a last second field goal attempt, it was revealed he to also failed a drug test during the summer as the clock ticked to zero. Guess what game he missed? The showdown between top ranked UF versus division 1AA Western Carolina.
2. Gator great, Marcus “Medicinal Puff” Thomas – a multiple drug test failure, pot and GHB. Gator fans tried to convince us all it was from the same test… then the truth came out, near the end of the season with his dismissal from the team. Moss and Thomas were both drafted by the Broncos. WTF was Shanahan thinking?
3. Baby Momma Slappin Avery Atkins. The alleged victim, Benerah Sanford, told police: She and Atkins argued Saturday on a drive to Atkins’ grandmother’s house. Atkins leaned over and punched her at least 13 times, and pushed her face against the car’s window while he conversed with relatives. Every time Sanford tried to exit the car, Atkins either punched her or stepped on the gas. When the pair finally arrived at Atkins’ home, she ran off and called the police.
Earlier this month, Atkins was found in a car in Daytona Beach with weed, gun and digital scales. To top it off, it was not his car. He had enrolled in UF in January with plans to “fight his way back to the cornerback slot.”
4. Brandon James a football player and Brandon Powell who coincidently is the basketball player who sucker punched the Vandy student in the back of the head [link], were found together in Gainesville with…. you guessed it: marijuana in the car during an undercover “buy bust”. One felony and one misdemeanor — purchase of a controlled substance and possession of >20 grams of marijuana — suspended indefinitely.
5. WR Riley Cooper smashed a windshield, welcome the perfect gater. And just who is Jasim Alidina? Adlina was the victim of Freshman Riley Cooper’s flailing haymaker through his car window. While Alidina survived the incident, remarkably unscathed, neither Cooper nor the car were as lucky. Cooper was taken to the Morton Plant Hospital.
6. Florida defensive back Dorian Munroe charged with felony for removal of parking boot and placing it in his trunk. This was later ironed out as expected as UF is thin at the corner. One felony — theft of a police metal parking boot from his car
7. At Da Club, Ronnie “The Rifleman” Wilson slaps some guy, then spits on him, then ends it by shooting at him, luckily police actually stepped in one time before he killed that guy. two felonies and one misdemeanor — gun in a parking lot near campus — suspended indefinitely
8. LB Dusty “Rhodes” Doe, pummels some dude (ala Channing the Chainsaw Crowder) in a Alaucha County vs. Pasco County gang fight (Reds vs. Crips style). Punishment? No suspension from Meyer. Doe to face the (Jaws intro theme) Leadership Committee. one misdemeanor — disorderly conduct for parking garage brawl
9. The 7-Man shower Self shooting gun incident, Gator players led by Dee Webb, Andre “Bubba” Caldwell and Reggie Lewis had a $60,000 SUV loaded with improperly registered AK’s and other machine guns… and they were all drunk while shooting at apartment windows for fun. Of course initially nobody took the blame and they all said they were in the shower (together) and that the gun must have shot itself… Gators went with the deniable plausibility angle when Dee Webb shot off his arsenal saying he had already declared for the draft, so he was no longer a Gator.
T10. Dallas “Bike Taker” Baker, steals a bike, but when cops questioned him, Dallas said, “heck man, I just thought the bike was ‘abandoned’”. The sophomore was issued a sworn complaint from UPD as an officer stopped Baker near Ben Hill Griffin Stadium (which is a great place to take a deuce). Baker said he was late for an appointment and picked up an abandoned bicycle. Misdemeanor!!!
T10. Linebacker Taurean Charles. A UF student said Charles touched her against her will, the sworn complaint issued by the university police department said. Charles allegedly slammed her on the bed and onto a computer desk, picked her up over his head and threw her down on her roommate’s bed, according to the complaint. Charles was later dismissed from the Florida team.Comment -
I have a different slant because I did play CFB. Let's start with Reggie Bush, you say punishing USC isn't going to change what happened a few years ago. Well why punish a rapist or murderer for something they did years ago? What they did was wrong no matter if it can't change the past. The entire USC family knew that Reggie (and many other guys for that matter) were getting illegal benefits under the table. That is a huge competitive advantage. A potential recruit goes to USC on a visit and see's Bush riding around in a hummer, hanging with Snoop Dogg, living in a condo off campus, family flying out on private jets to every game. Then that same recruit sees a UCLA player broke as hell like most athletes that don't cheat.
Now forward the tape to Bama athletes, hundreds of them making thousands of dollars on the side as campus book dealers. They use that money, make themselves look good which attracts other recruits. They go back to their home city more often because they have money, they drive a nicer car, wear nicer clothes, jewelry, etc. To you it's not an advantage but to a teenager making a decision on where to play, it could make all the difference in the world.
The bigger rub is that I think Bama should have been punished much more severely. It's not that I'm hating on Bama, there not a rival to UF and I respect it's history and tradition. But the NCAA gave them a slap on the wrist and this was major violations and Bama was still on probation from past transgressions. USC's punishment was somewhat lenient but more appropriate IMO. FSU's punishment was ludicrous.
Rules are in place for a reason. Anytime someone breaks those rules it gives them a competitive advantage. Off the field is more powerful than on the field.
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But Mac, Florida is stained with the same brush. 107 major violations at one time is impressive. There will be players paid in one way or another. That fact was pretty much guarenteed when the NCAA moved athletes out of player dorms. You want a coaching staff to babysit them 24/7? Put them back in athlete dorms. Athletes are discriminated against by the NCAA. They cannot get a job and actually earn money. And some of those kids (in all sports not just the major ones) can't make ends meet. For me that is wrong on so many levels. I agree the whole book issue was wrong but can also see why it happened.Comment -
and I'd press you to find 1 out of the 107 violations that were bigger than what Bama got caught for??? See back in the day, each of Bama's 200+ athletes cheating would have been a separate violation, so Bama would have trumped UF's.
But, I won't make an excuse for UF being put on probation. Yet, the NCAA gave UF what was equivalent to the death penalty in the early 80's, which allowed FSU and Miami to capitalize on all the talent in the state. UF was punished to the full extent. But if you look at Bama and FSU and look at what they both did and compare both punishments, the NCAA definitely got it wrong. UF got the wrong end of the deal. I think the NCAA back in the 80's were out to get schools but they found out after killing the SMU program that they were cutting they're own throats.
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I totally agree. I think athletes should be paid and have been a proponent of the idea for years. Why does everyone else make money off the backs of these athletes but the athlete? The coaches make money, assistants, secretaries, reporters, ESPN, hotdog vendors, etc., while the athlete gets nothing. Their scholarship isn't even guaranteed every year.
Athletes should at least have a free education even after their eligibility. Why did Emmitt Smith have to pay his tuition to finish his degree? He brought millions to the school. Now he fortunately could afford it but what about the 99.5% of the guys that don't make it? I think the schools should set aside an endowment for each athlete that accrues with interest for every year they play and upon graduation, they would receive that money to help them go to grad school or start a business or start corporate America.
It's tough for an athlete to turn down money or not have a hustle on the side. Most of these guys come from poor families and walking around as big man on campus but not having a dime in your pocket is a bad feeling. Not being able to afford going back home is tough for any kid. Your very fortunate if your parents have money but most of these guys aren't.Comment -
Preaching to the choir now. And I think that the day is coming that the players will receive a stipend. It is only right. They basically hold down a full time job for the university.Comment -
So now you are comparing these athletes who "cheated" to rapists and murderers? OMG I have seen it all MacI have a different slant because I did play CFB. Let's start with Reggie Bush, you say punishing USC isn't going to change what happened a few years ago. Well why punish a rapist or murderer for something they did years ago? What they did was wrong no matter if it can't change the past. The entire USC family knew that Reggie (and many other guys for that matter) were getting illegal benefits under the table. That is a huge competitive advantage. A potential recruit goes to USC on a visit and see's Bush riding around in a hummer, hanging with Snoop Dogg, living in a condo off campus, family flying out on private jets to every game. Then that same recruit sees a UCLA player broke as hell like most athletes that don't cheat. Now forward the tape to Bama athletes, hundreds of them making thousands of dollars on the side as campus book dealers. They use that money, make themselves look good which attracts other recruits. They go back to their home city more often because they have money, they drive a nicer car, wear nicer clothes, jewelry, etc. To you it's not an advantage but to a teenager making a decision on where to play, it could make all the difference in the world. The bigger rub is that I think Bama should have been punished much more severely. It's not that I'm hating on Bama, there not a rival to UF and I respect it's history and tradition. But the NCAA gave them a slap on the wrist and this was major violations and Bama was still on probation from past transgressions. USC's punishment was somewhat lenient but more appropriate IMO. FSU's punishment was ludicrous. Rules are in place for a reason. Anytime someone breaks those rules it gives them a competitive advantage. Off the field is more powerful than on the field.
This conversation is done. Arguing with you is just useless as you make no sense and have the worst justifications that I have ever seen.
Bama rolls end of story Mac, ThugU is in Gainesville not Tuscaloosa so worry about your problems and not ours.
BTW NCAA went easy on us because why? It wasnt a major violation. Maybe to you it is cause you are holding on to that NCAA awarded win in 2005 and you are hanging on to it hard but to the rest of the world and when they talk about this game this weekend they will say Bama won it.Comment -
guys seriously......what does any of that crap have to do with the game?
The FACTS are that BAMA is a great team with a great leader and a very intelligent coach. Great offense, not so great but still good, YOUNG, defense.
Florida has a young team that is still learning and growing. However the coach is no slouch he can manufacture plays and is unpredictable. The D has the potential to make turnovers and the O is getting better every game.
AS A SUPER-HELLA-ULTRA-UBER FAN of the Gators I am obviosly hoping for the win, but will settle for losing by 8
And for anyone else that wants to continually bring the "STATS" from the past. THIS IS THE SEC!!! Stats dont mean $hit in our neck of the woods!
If you placed on Florida then lets cash in!
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Yeah, if Bama didn't shit the bed in the Sugar Bowl and would have blown Utah out that year, we wouldn't be having a dilemma about Boise State. Unfortunately, Choklahoma and Ramma Jammers both screwed up the BCS for everyone else. Oh but they didn't really want to play that day
Classic let down situation when Alabama lost to Utah that year. Bama was dissapointed by not getting a chance to play the championship game after losing to Florida. Utah, had a very good team and was undefeated and played that game like a championship game. Also, Alabama had other distractions with Andre Smith for dealing with an agent. He was DQ'ed for that game as well.
I want Boise St to get there chance and I hope it's Alabama and I also hope it's a long day for the smurf turfs to shut down the liberal press.. I got no problem with Boise St. I think they are a fine program, but they don't have to play a schedule anything like what the SEC has to offer.. Take Bama for example.. 3 top 10 teams in a row inside of 3 weeks, Arkansas, on the road, Florida at home, South Carolina on the road... If Bama comes out of those 3 games winners... Crown there asses
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I want Boise St to get there chance and I hope it's Alabama and I also hope it's a long day for the smurf turfs to shut down the liberal press.. I got no problem with Boise St. I think they are a fine program, but they don't have to play a schedule anything like what the SEC has to offer.. Take Bama for example.. 3 top 10 teams in a row inside of 3 weeks, Arkansas, on the road, Florida at home, South Carolina on the road... If Bama comes out of those 3 games winners... Crown there asses
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Hey Mac.....how's life tonight buddy ROLLLLLL TIDE!!
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