My cant lose craps strategy

[SBR Lou]

Not looking good for you John, I think you need a vacation. Those big losses in the market driving you to devise ways to beat the casino now? This isn't a road you want to travel down, trust me on this one.

You should have listened.

You didn't, and had to sell your seat.

[Always_Over]

curious
the devils staircase can eat all your money very quick if you get quick 7's it wipes out all your money on the table

[eyeball]

This is how you do it:Go to any table that is 1/2 to 3/4 full..wait till the shooter rolls three points or one point twice, without rolling a seven.

than make the place bets of 6 and 8 and..ones come bet, and continue as SBR said.

NOW HERE IS THE WHOLE DEAL

If the dealer seven;s out than immediately play the dont come and dont pass line. Place the max of two dont come bets.Continue to do this until two DC bets are lost, than immediately switch back to the pass line and come bets. The way this works is that you are switching back an forth until you get a "hot" table either on the Do or DONT. So you dont get caught on one side..works 65% of the time. It works because you dont loose all your money on one side of the table, the table works in streaks.

[Dark Horse]

Can we have a craps forum? With videos, discussions, theory, etc.

Intrigued by the possibilities of dice setting. If it's anything like throwing boomerangs, watch out baby!

[fiveteamer]

D.H., that is a disturbing comment coming from somebody who's made it.

god bless.

[pico]

the only winning strategy that i have is to let your girl to go tease one of those lonely dudes, so they'll place a bet for your girl. when she wins, take her money.

[Chi_archie]

i've never played craps in my life... sounds complicated...

I think that is prob a good filter test.... if you don't think you'd understand craps... you couldn't have made it

[AgainstAllOdds]

Craps can be fun....However, I lost BBD and Illusion about $1000 combined when we were at Fremont at the bash.

[Boner_18]

I'm a big craps fan.

[unknown Gambler]

CRAPS THE JIGABO JONES WAY......WATCH IT ALL!

[TLD]

I don’t play craps, and I gladly defer to those much better versed than I in mathematics on this board, but I’ve never bought this notion that taking the odds helps you. I understand that there’s no house edge on that bet, but doesn’t that just mean you’re losing a smaller percentage of a larger amount that ends up equal to what you would have lost anyway?

That is, if you compare:

1. You make $10 bets against the small house edge, and never back them up with the additional “coin flip” bets with no house edge.

2. You make those same $10 bets against the small house edge, but now always back them up fully at 5X with $50 “coin flip” bets.

3. Same as #2, but you find a rare casino that allows 1,000,000X bets, so in additional to your $10 bets you always back them up with $10,000,000 “coin flip” bets.

Aren’t your mathematical long term expectations exactly the same in these three scenarios? How does adding bets where neither you nor the house has an edge change anything?

[curious]

I don’t play craps, and I gladly defer to those much better versed than I in mathematics on this board, but I’ve never bought this notion that taking the odds helps you. I understand that there’s no house edge on that bet, but doesn’t that just mean you’re losing a smaller percentage of a larger amount that ends up equal to what you would have lost anyway?

That is, if you compare:

1. You make $10 bets against the small house edge, and never back them up with the additional “coin flip” bets with no house edge.

2. You make those same $10 bets against the small house edge, but now always back them up fully at 5X with $50 “coin flip” bets.

3. Same as #2, but you find a rare casino that allows 1,000,000X bets, so in additional to your $10 bets you always back them up with $10,000,000 “coin flip” bets.

Aren’t your mathematical long term expectations exactly the same in these three scenarios? How does adding bets where neither you nor the house has an edge change anything?

Taking odds increases volatility. It does not change the -EV proposition of the game.

If you run a simulation of a million trials both not taking odds and taking odds, the EV will be the same in both.

I have seen charts where they list the house "edge" as being smaller the higher the odds are but this is a myth. You are putting more money at risk with some of the money bet with the house vig and some of it bet with true odds. The vig is the same. You aren't changing the house edge. I don't know why people believe that nonsense.

The best bet on the craps table is the Don't Pass / Don't Come with no odds. The second best bet is the Pass / Come with no odds.

Dice is a fun game and you can get on streaks that make you more money faster than anything else I know. YOu can also get on streaks and lose more money faster.

Some people say you can beat the long run because you can decide when to quit and you will never reach the number of trials needed to be in the law of large numbers. I have seen a few people who are uncanny in their abiliity to be betting the right trend at the right time. I can't do it.

I used to know this dude, he walked up to a table I was playing at, I had been playing the Field all day and didn't have anything to show for it. He walks up, puts $300 on the Field, and parlays it three times and hit the 12 which was 3-1, turned that $300 into $3600, then scooped up his money and walked off.

I saw him do things like that all the time.

[betplom]

Ignore this fool. He's an obvious malcontent who thinks pointing out typos makes him more intelligent than the next guy. If he's offered one insightful comment on these boards I've yet to see it...

+1 Agree completely.

[reno cool]

Your overall payback on all money bet is higher, so give yourself a better chance to win a given amount in the short term. In fact with big enough odds your chances of being up become basically 50-50 indefinitely.

[reno cool]

Can we have a craps forum? With videos, discussions, theory, etc.

Intrigued by the possibilities of dice setting. If it's anything like throwing boomerangs, watch out baby!

Did you find out something out recently? For a while some casinos were weary of dice setters. I see very little heat now. I'm guessing they decided it's not doable.
I would guess the jury still out, but after seeing the dice tumble in super slow-mo I'm not optimistic under current conditions.

[reno cool]

damn, the guy in the vid is good. Of course you'd have to throw them alot further in the casino, but even that looks impressive. But it depends on the surface.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Reno,

That's why the casinos force you to throw it off the back wall. The back wall has small jagged protrusions to alter the rotation of the dice. They'll warn you for "short-rolling" and then freeroll you on subsequent short rolls, where a 7-out stands but call any numbers as "no rolls." Dice setting is pretty much a thing of the past...

[reno cool]

What's your view on it Monkey? Do you think anyone has been able to gain an edge doing it now or in the recent past?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Perhaps in years past. I don't see a way to beat the game currently. I think it's possible that someone has been able to do it in the past. There are some casinos with compact craps tables (like Ellis Island and Wild Wild West) where it is possible. The house rules on those tables are that no dice setting is allowed. However, some of the dice dealers (at Ellis Island at least) don't care and sometimes allow it...

[reno cool]

I've noticed many casinos in Laughlin and Mesquite will put up the backboard in the center of the table. This is when it's slow at night and they only have one dealer. I've played these before and gotten no heat for setting, but I only played for small stakes.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah, it'd be possible there too. I would imagine it would take quite a long time to master that art, however. I think the quantity of hours it would take to perfect the art would probably be better spent on something else.

[Slim]

When is the cant lose keno strategy coming out?

[curious]

damn, the guy in the vid is good. Of course you'd have to throw them alot further in the casino, but even that looks impressive. But it depends on the surface.

Also irrelevent because the conditions that he is rolling the dice under have nothing to do with the conditions in the casino.

Once the dice hit the bumpers you have lost "control" or "influence" or whatever the scam artists are calling it now.

You might be able to get away with short rolling a few times but no one is going to let you do that roll after roll. And I guarantee you that if you had a really big bet out there they are not going to let you do it once.

[BestPlay2day]

Problem is the dice must hit the back of the wall so once it hits the wall you lose all control. I accidentally didn't hit the wall before and the guys tell you right away that you must bounce the dice off the wall or you won't be allowed to throw the dice. Playing craps best strategy is make a minimum pass/don't pass bet and back it up with full odds.

[smoke a bowl]

Call me a stickler, then, but what exactly makes this "stradegy" any better than anything else at craps?

The difference is that you will less per bet like this than playing craps any other way. You have limited the houses edge as much as possible by doing what sbr John said in his original post. You will still lose longterm, but not at nearly as fast of a rate as you would playing craps any other way (besides doing exactly the same thing with the dont come instead of the come).

[curious]

Curious=One, Big, Giant Whore

What the **** is your problem shithead? Show up at the bash and say that to my face. Punk ass mother ****er I will **** you up.

[larrymiller]

What the **** is your problem shithead? Show up at the bash and say that to my face. Punk ass mother ****er I will **** you up.

Sad Whore

[larrymiller]

What the **** is your problem shithead? Show up at the bash and say that to my face. Punk ass mother ****er I will **** you up.

Who threatens people over the internet? Seriously?

[mr. leisure]

Perhaps in years past. I don't see a way to beat the game currently. I think it's possible that someone has been able to do it in the past. There are some casinos with compact craps tables (like Ellis Island and Wild Wild West) where it is possible. The house rules on those tables are that no dice setting is allowed. However, some of the dice dealers (at Ellis Island at least) don't care and sometimes allow it...

Harrah`s has one of those short tables in their sportsbook.

[curious]

Who threatens people over the internet? Seriously?

I'm not threatening you shithead. My ancestors were Druids. Druids don't make threats they utter prophecies.

[TLD]

The difference is that you will less per bet like this than playing craps any other way. You have limited the houses edge as much as possible by doing what sbr John said in his original post. You will still lose longterm, but not at nearly as fast of a rate as you would playing craps any other way (besides doing exactly the same thing with the dont come instead of the come).

I'm still not buying it. (See Post 46.)

I understand that it's better to put $10 on the initial bet and take odds for $50 than to put the whole $60 on the initial bet. But I don't see that you're slowing your loss rate one iota by putting $10 on the initial bet and taking odds for $50 versus putting $10 on the initial bet and not bothering to take odds at all.

How can making extra optional bets with no edge either way mean you will lose at not "nearly as fast a rate"? It changes the volatility as Curious says, but I don't see that it helps you at all.

[curious]

I'm still not buying it. (See Post 46.)

I understand that it's better to put $10 on the initial bet and take odds for $50 than to put the whole $60 on the initial bet. But I don't see that you're slowing your loss rate one iota by putting $10 on the initial bet and taking odds for $50 versus putting $10 on the initial bet and not bothering to take odds at all.

How can making extra optional bets with no edge either way mean you will lose at not "nearly as fast a rate"? It changes the volatility as Curious says, but I don't see that it helps you at all.

You actually set yourself up to lose at a much faster rate, which is the definition of volatility. You also set yourself up to win at a faster rate too.

[unknown Gambler]

I don’t play craps, and I gladly defer to those much better versed than I in mathematics on this board, but I’ve never bought this notion that taking the odds helps you. I understand that there’s no house edge on that bet, but doesn’t that just mean you’re losing a smaller percentage of a larger amount that ends up equal to what you would have lost anyway?

That is, if you compare:

1. You make $10 bets against the small house edge, and never back them up with the additional “coin flip” bets with no house edge.

2. You make those same $10 bets against the small house edge, but now always back them up fully at 5X with $50 “coin flip” bets.

3. Same as #2, but you find a rare casino that allows 1,000,000X bets, so in additional to your $10 bets you always back them up with $10,000,000 “coin flip” bets.

Aren’t your mathematical long term expectations exactly the same in these three scenarios? How does adding bets where neither you nor the house has an edge change anything?

your casino rating goes up quicker, thats about it.

[smoke a bowl]

I'm still not buying it. (See Post 46.)

I understand that it's better to put $10 on the initial bet and take odds for $50 than to put the whole $60 on the initial bet. But I don't see that you're slowing your loss rate one iota by putting $10 on the initial bet and taking odds for $50 versus putting $10 on the initial bet and not bothering to take odds at all.

How can making extra optional bets with no edge either way mean you will lose at not "nearly as fast a rate"? It changes the volatility as Curious says, but I don't see that it helps you at all.

No, you are absolutely correct with what you are saying. But you will lose less per dollar bet is all I'm saying, I'm just bad at expressing thoughts into words sometimes.

Sidenote: If unknown gambler is right (not sure if he is) then the extra casino rating alone would make it worth playing max odds on your come bets.

[reno cool]

your casino rating goes up quicker, thats about it.

that might be a good benefit, depending on if they give you credit for odds bet.

TLD, don't you see the significance of an overall higher payback?

If you have 1k and want to try to run it into 5K, you have a much better chance by betting $10pass+100odds, than betting 110pass or simply 10pass.