My cant lose craps strategy

**BigBollocks** · 01-18-08, 07:35 PM

I'm a don't pass guy, but got hated on so much for playing don't pass over the years that I quit playing the game...

**donjuan** · 01-18-08, 07:36 PM

For you sticklers to the facts this stradegy does lose but its pretty good.

Call me a stickler, then, but what exactly makes this "stradegy" any better than anything else at craps?

**robzilla** · 01-18-08, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

For you sticklers to the facts this stradegy does lose but its pretty good.

If you dont know crap about craps you can still use this stradegy.

First find a $10 table.

Put $10 on the pass line. When the shooter rolls a point back up your pass line bet with full odds. Then place a $10 Come bet. once it is moved from the Come area to a point, back it up with full odds.

Backing these bets up with full odds is important. If your bank roll will not allow you to place $50 behind your pass line bet then you need to find another casino game.

There are some variations like an additional Come bet on points of 4 and 10 but basically just play one pass line bet with one come bet.

Under this stradegy the most you will have on the table is $110.

Never play Place bets. This has to be the biggest mistake people make. Dont play the Field or hardways or any of the prop bets unless you are trying to avoid a trip to the cashiers cage.

i dont know crap about craps. i played once...kinda confusing... you should make a diagram or something. I understand putting 10 on the pass line, but i dont understand backing up with full odds.

**jjgold** · 01-18-08, 07:48 PM

Best way to play craps is when shooters make their 4's and 10's 4 times in a row then the 5th time when their point is 4 or 10 you bet Don't Come and keep doubling up if you lose. It is a cannot lose strategy.

**Louisvillekid1** · 01-18-08, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Best way to play craps is when shooters make their 4's and 10's 4 times in a row then the 5th time when their point is 4 or 10 you bet Don't Come and keep doubling up if you lose. It is a cannot lose strategy.

Ill be skeptical about any stradegy that says this . . .

**SBR_John** · 01-18-08, 07:58 PM

JJ that doesnt make a spit of sense. You better bring your overnight kit cause you will be waiting about a week before you see someone hit a 4 or 10 point 4 times in a row.

DonJuan, for starters this gives you about as good as odds as you can get. Secondly it helps manage your money so you dont play the high house advantage plays. It takes a little disclipline to win at craps. This stradegy limits the amount of bets you have up and that alone helps give you a better chance to win.

**jjgold** · 01-18-08, 08:00 PM

Johnny if you stay all day like I use to it will happen , if not you walk away.

Johnny your a compulsive gambler, I am not. I look for an edge.

**Deuce** · 01-18-08, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Johnny if you stay all day like I use to it will happen , if not you walk away.

Johnny your a compulsive gambler, I am not. I look for an edge.

If this were the case you would not have gaps in your heat situation. You wouldn't be eating Italian rolls for breakfast, lunch, and dinner as well as milking a single 12oz can of Coke.

You would be eating filet's pal. You would be sipping Cognac and the finest of wines pal. Let's get back to reality.

**Willie Bee** · 01-18-08, 08:07 PM

The pass line messed with me this past Tuesday morning, John. Two Bloody Mary's wound up costing me about $100.

**donjuan** · 01-18-08, 08:07 PM

It takes a little disclipline to win at craps.

It takes the discipline to sit down and become an expert dice setter. It doesn't take any discipline to luckbox it up for a few hours.

**McRich** · 01-18-08, 08:09 PM

My favorite game is craps. Fast paced, quick money and the only game I have officially retired from. The highs are highs and the lows are lows. I hit a crushing cold streak a couple of years ago. I have not played since. I have been able to keep away for two years after playing 2-3 times a week for 10-15 hours a week.

**SBR Lou** · 01-18-08, 08:17 PM

Not looking good for you John, I think you need a vacation. Those big losses in the market driving you to devise ways to beat the casino now? This isn't a road you want to travel down, trust me on this one.

**BigBollocks** · 01-18-08, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Call me a stickler, then, but what exactly makes this "stradegy" any better than anything else at craps?

Ignore this fool. He's an obvious malcontent who thinks pointing out typos makes him more intelligent than the next guy. If he's offered one insightful comment on these boards I've yet to see it...

**curious** · 01-18-08, 09:01 PM

I like the Devil's Staircase. The "stragedy" is simple. You put a bet on every square on the board and press all winnings until you hit a predetermined win $$. You place bet all the numbers, all the hardways and the pass line. You put full odds behind the pass line bet. You put a bet in the come out box on every throw. When a come out roll establishes a point you get the place bet back and put full odds behind the come bet. All winnings go back on the table. The bets will start going up exponentially.

This is called the Devil's Staircase because, if you plot each win on a graph, and each win is getting increasingly higher, the "steps" get steeper and steeper until the graph becomes asymptotic, then the 7 comes and all bets are removed and the line goes down to 0. LOL

This is a FUN way to play when the dice are hot. Not too fun when the dice are cold.

Curious

**donjuan** · 01-18-08, 09:03 PM

Ignore this fool. He's an obvious malcontent who thinks pointing out typos makes him more intelligent than the next guy. If he's offered one insightful comment on these boards I've yet to see it...

1. It's not a typo when you repeatedly misspell it.
2. Can you actually find a factual fault with my post?

**McRich** · 01-18-08, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by curious

I like the Devil's Staircase. The "stragedy" is simple. You put a bet on every square on the board and press all winnings until you hit a predetermined win $$. You place bet all the numbers, all the hardways and the pass line. You put full odds behind the pass line bet. You put a bet in the come out box on every throw. When a come out roll establishes a point you get the place bet back and put full odds behind the come bet. All winnings go back on the table. The bets will start going up exponentially.

This is called the Devil's Staircase because, if you plot each win on a graph, and each win is getting increasingly higher, the "steps" get steeper and steeper until the graph becomes asymptotic, then the 7 comes and all bets are removed and the line goes down to 0. LOL

This is a FUN way to play when the dice are hot. Not too fun when the dice are cold.

Curious

I have played this way. I remember one time I was playing this way along with a couple of other players which is rare. We got a hot roller. Man, there were so many chips on the table. The roller was hitting chips almost every roll. The table was rocking. The casino tried every move: new stick man, new chips, asking players to color up, trying to replace the dice when they went off the table. We all won a ton of money. I remember when he crapped out I had a couple of thousand on the table. Ahh, the memories.

I lived like a king for a couple of months off of that session.

The down side is when you go up to a table and the roller sets a point, then sevens out. This then continues around the table twice for every roller. Brutal.

**ChampDog** · 01-18-08, 09:16 PM

JJ should know

Betting Trauma

Originally posted by jjgold

Best way to play craps is when shooters make their 4's and 10's 4 times in a row then the 5th time when their point is 4 or 10 you bet Don't Come and keep doubling up if you lose. It is a cannot lose strategy.

**ChampDog** · 01-18-08, 09:26 PM

Hear Hear, I TOTALY agree as One who has chased the Casino trying to get a QUICK Fix. Yep better to take the cash before you start doing crazy things and Go On Vacation

, I say this with the utmost Respect for John and anyone else who is considering this path.

Originally posted by crazyl

Not looking good for you John, I think you need a vacation. Those big losses in the market driving you to devise ways to beat the casino now? This isn't a road you want to travel down, trust me on this one.

**raiders72002** · 01-18-08, 09:43 PM

Years and years ago I use to play at Binions and The Frontier when they had 10x odds.

I made a pass line bet and two come bets taking full odds. I was basically playing even money against the house.

**curious** · 01-18-08, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by raiders72002

Years and years ago I use to play at Binions and The Frontier when they had 10x odds.

I made a pass line bet and two come bets taking full odds. I was basically playing even money against the house.

There is a casino in Reno that used to have a weeknight special where they pay true odds on any place bet of $40 or more. Peppermill I think is their name. That was a license to print money!

**Al Masters** · 01-18-08, 09:58 PM

Here's your best method of making money at craps, find a table thats full sneak in there and get friendly with the players near you, watch who bets the pass line,then watch who doesn't take odds at all or who doesn't take full odds, very friendly like ask them if you can take there odds that they don't want to, stay there, do this all day, and this is your best bet.

This way the casino has no edge on you, you just got to smile a bit, and when you collect always tell the guy who let you take his odds..........looks like were lucky together.

**Al Masters** · 01-18-08, 10:01 PM

There's another nice way of playing it's called the tooth pick to lumber yard strategy.

this is nice little system, but still the edge would go to the house.

**20Four7** · 01-18-08, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by BigBollocks

I'm a don't pass guy, but got hated on so much for playing don't pass over the years that I quit playing the game...

I have no problem with the don't pass guys, I just hope to bury them when I'm rolling. Then again they are hoping the dice goes around the table very quickly to make the most.

**dodif** · 01-18-08, 10:30 PM

the dont pass is the way to go
get past the first roll and now ur the house
its great seeing everyone get pissed and being the only happy one at the table

**Hap** · 01-18-08, 10:48 PM

Curious,

Tried to email and PM you.

**curious** · 01-18-08, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Hap

Curious,

Tried to email and PM you.

I closed down my email address because SBG Global was sending me threatening emails. The ****ing mods on SBR turned off my PMs because I stood up to some of the assholes on here who were harrassing me.

Post your email address and I will email you.

**pico** · 01-18-08, 10:57 PM

john, your strategy will give you the same exact payoff in the long run as just betting the passline then full odds or bet come everytime with full odds. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 pass/come simutaneous bets will have the same exact payoff in the long run...no matter how you mix and match. the only reason i can see myself betting pass-come with full odds comination is if i am impatient and wanting more action.

if you don't believe me, run a computer simulation or do it in the casino

**Hap** · 01-18-08, 11:01 PM

thomas.obrien@uconn.edu

**bigboydan** · 01-18-08, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by raiders72002

Years and years ago I use to play at Binions and The Frontier when they had 10x odds.

You gotta love it when they offer the 10x's odds, however not everyone around here offers that luxury.

**JoshW** · 01-18-08, 11:17 PM

1. Bet what you can afford to lose.
2. Know that you can't win at craps over the long term.
3. Back up you Pass/Come/Don't Pass/Don't Come bets with odds bets as much as you afford following rule 1.

**alangrus** · 03-04-08, 12:10 AM

You can try this or any other strategy on My Craps Game. I designed this computer simulation to be naturally random and play with the exact same rules as when I was on live tables in Las Vegas last week. Its the only game that plays with the right rules and odds that I know of.

**tacomax** · 03-04-08, 12:13 AM

alangrus, I'm seeing an awful lot of craps in your posts.

**mr. leisure** · 03-04-08, 12:26 AM

the stratosphere had 10 x odds
the main street station had 20x odds
casino royale had 100x odds

last time i went to vegas

**RageWizard** · 03-04-08, 02:51 AM

I play a similiar style to the master of Ceremonies here at the top of this thread. The only real difference is that I will play randomly on the pass line - come bet and the don't pass line - don't come bet. I think the odds on the don't come are just slightly better, but I hate when I gots to lay down full odds on a 4 or 10 at 1 to 2 for the payoff, even though those are the correct odds.