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  • Rand790
    SBR High Roller
    • 12-31-07
    • 158

    #1
    WAGERWEB Downgraded by SBR


    Just want to provide everyone an update on my WagerWeb dispute and seek your opinion. I have been working with SBR over the past few weeks and have made the decision that I would like to put this very bad experience behind me. With that said, I have worked with SBR and have provided a proposal for resolution to WagerWeb.

    For those of you reading about this WagerWeb disaster for the first time - you can search Wagerweb on the forum and get all of the details (if you care, if you don't care - just keep in the back of your mind that you should NEVER play with WagerWeb).

    Over the past week, I have emailed WagerWeb management four times and left five separate voicemails. In turn, I have received no communication from WagerWeb. In my emails, I made them this offer/suggestion in order to resolve this dispute. My email reads, "Please send me a listing of all of my plays with your organization (total about 70). On any play that was past-posted, I will consider it void. On any play that is not past-posted, I would expect to be paid, assuming the play won."

    I ask you, the public, does this seem fair? I know that SBR feels this is more than fair. By the way, SBR also can confirm that I have politely reached out to WagerWeb with this suggestion, because I have copied them on all my emails.

    My goal is to get this resolved and behind us. Obviously, I want to get paid something for my efforts. The fact that their management (not clerks) will not respond to an email or return a phone call speaks volume for the quality of sportsbook we are talking about (in my opinion).

    I will also mention this, just to ensure I put all of my cards on the table. After I won $42,000 from WagerWeb and asked for payment (which never was paid), a few days later, a friend of mine opened a new account with WagerWeb, initial deposit of $3,000. I made a few plays on this account, but at that point my initial account was closed, so I thought, because I was simply waiting for my payout - no plays were made on my account after my friend opened this second account. Regardless, this account won $14,000 - total of $17,000. Of course, after WW cried about paying this $14,000, I admitted to WagerWeb that I made plays on this account and of course they said, "you can't have multiple accounts so we are voiding all of those plays." Another $14,000 in winnings that haven't been seen. Instead of arguing about this account, I said that was fine, please send me back my initial deposit of $3,000 and they refused. Now this is blatent theft, in my opinion, but again I ask you, the public......do you agree?

    Before anyone tries to question the facts, please assume they are accurate because SBR has been working directly with me and WagerWeb on this disaster for months. In fact, WagerWeb even told SBR they were going to pay back the $3,000 initial deposit, but never have.

    Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome! Thank you.
  • Shark79
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-19-07
    • 11211

    #2
    Hesssss BAaaaaaCk!!
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    • Shark79
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 11-19-07
      • 11211

      #3
      GL on the outcome ... seriously!
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      • robzilla
        SBR MVP
        • 10-25-07
        • 3556

        #4
        Wagerweb has no respect for SBR?
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        • Dark Horse
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-14-05
          • 13764

          #5
          Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!

          I will also mention this, just to ensure I put all of my cards on the table. After I won $42,000 from WagerWeb and asked for payment (which never was paid), a friend of mine opened a new account with WagerWeb, initial deposit of $3,000. I made a few plays on this account, but at that point my initial account was closed, so I thought, because I was simply waiting for my payout - no plays were made on my account after my friend opened this second account. Regardless, this account won $14,000 - total of $17,000. Of course, after WW cried about paying this $14,000, I admitted to WagerWeb that I made plays on this account and of course they said, "you can't have multiple accounts so we are voiding all of those plays." Another $14,000 in winnings that haven't been seen.
          You opened another account in a friend's name? You really should be blacklisted, because you're not a gambler, but a shot taker. The fact that you're doing this after the initial problem with WW, and obviously in the hope of getting away with it, only makes me question your intelligence. I guess it is addictive to 'win' money like that.

          You're obviously going to continue to try this with any book that has the same software security weakness. I still think that a book is 100% responsible for it security, and therefore I had come down on your side in the initial dispute. I didn't (and don't) think WW could hide behind a software excuse, and was totally willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But it is now clear that you have not learned a thing, and if WW doesn't pay you a penny now I couldn't care less.

          You're a dishonest person and you found the book that you deserve. Why even ask SBR to decide between two dishonest sides? You got what you deserve.
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          • Rand790
            SBR High Roller
            • 12-31-07
            • 158

            #6
            DarkHorse, for clarity............the second account was opened a few days after the $42,000 was requested and after WagerWeb told me the payout was processed.

            Not anytime recently..............

            I know you really don't care, but I just want everyone to have all of the facts.

            Also, I don't really care about your opinion of me. If a sportsbook is going to keep a line up and take action, after the a game starts, I feel like it is their responsiblity for their security - not my responsibility - if that makes me a "shot taker" than so be it. I don't view it that way and if you read the hundreds of other postings - most (not all) people agree with me and SBR.
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            • SBR Lou
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 08-02-07
              • 37863

              #7
              By any chance, is your other WW account registered to a poster by the name of 2Pac?
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              • Dark Horse
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 12-14-05
                • 13764

                #8
                You got it wrong, bud. In the other thread I was one of the harshest critics of WW. Security is their responsibility, and it should end there.

                But you're a piece of work. You're dishonest. How can you even dispute that? Yes, WW is dishonest too. So? How can you have a problem with that?

                In a pirate kind of way, I like the angle you found. But don't complain when your luck runs out. You had a good run with it. It's over. Get over it.
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                • Rand790
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 12-31-07
                  • 158

                  #9
                  No idea who 2Pac is?
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                  • robzilla
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-25-07
                    • 3556

                    #10
                    Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!
                    DarkHorse, for clarity............the second account was opened a few days after the $42,000 was requested and after WagerWeb told me the payout was processed.

                    Not anytime recently..............

                    I know you really don't care, but I just want everyone to have all of the facts.

                    Also, I don't really care about your opinion of me. If a sportsbook is going to keep a line up and take action, after the a game starts, I feel like it is their responsiblity for their security - not my responsibility - if that makes me a "shot taker" than so be it. I don't view it that way and if you read the hundreds of other postings - most (not all) people agree with me and SBR.
                    I think you are right dude. Its not your fault that they kept the games up.
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                    • Rand790
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 12-31-07
                      • 158

                      #11
                      Dark, read my post - I am asking them to pay me for the games that were NOT past-posted...........what is wrong with you? You don't think that is fair. And, I don't feel I am dishonest - the book accepted my plays - I didn't hold a gun to their head and make them. Wow! We obviously don't agree and that is fine. But, read my initial post again. I am agreeing to void the past posted plays, just pay me for the plays that were not past posted..........seems hard to argue, but maybe you can find a way?
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                      • Rand790
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 12-31-07
                        • 158

                        #12
                        Thank you for your opinion........Zilla.

                        The reality is anyone who is serious about gambling would have done the same thing that I did..............I know nobody will admit it on here, but we all know the truth.....
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                        • Shark79
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 11-19-07
                          • 11211

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                          You got it wrong, bud. In the other thread I was one of the harshest critics of WW. Security is their responsibility, and it should end there.

                          But you're a piece of work. You're dishonest. How can you even dispute that? Yes, WW is dishonest too. So? How can you have a problem with that?

                          In a pirate kind of way, I like the angle you found. But don't complain when your luck runs out. You had a good run with it. It's over. Get over it.
                          As I said before and got hit hard because of it ... both should be banned and blacklisted ... shot taker took it too far and got burned at his own game ... by the same unsafe website he was screwing
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                          • Dark Horse
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-14-05
                            • 13764

                            #14
                            My friend, the book is dishonest. You get no argument from me there.

                            But you are just as dishonest. What do you want? You set the standard. A lot of people don't play by the rules. Fine. To each their own. But don't come crying when you get paid in kind.

                            According to WW, if I remember correctly, you made hundreds of thousands of dollars in this way with other books. Any truth to that?

                            And how many other accounts do you run in this way?
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                            • Shark79
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 11-19-07
                              • 11211

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!
                              Thank you for your opinion........Zilla.

                              The reality is anyone who is serious about gambling would have done the same thing that I did..............I know nobody will admit it on here, but we all know the truth.....
                              Not true buddy ... ever heard of karma? It just shoved itself in ur face btw ...
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                              • Rand790
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 12-31-07
                                • 158

                                #16
                                Dark, do I ask you about your annual income. My issue here is not the past or the future - it is with WagerWeb. Thank you for agreeing that they are dishonest.

                                Do you think they should pay my NON-Past posted plays?
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                                • matskralc
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 11-26-07
                                  • 202

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!
                                  Dark, do I ask you about your annual income. My issue here is not the past or the future - it is with WagerWeb.
                                  "I'm not here to talk about the past"! LOL!
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                                  • Dark Horse
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-14-05
                                    • 13764

                                    #18
                                    Well, the problem here, WW Sucks, is that SBR is all about integrity in the offshore sports betting business.

                                    You, who have no integrity, can not ask SBR to rule in favor of you, when you, through your own actions, managed to run into a book without integrity.

                                    What goes around comes around. Don't ask SBR to bail you out. By your avoidance of the question about your past posting income I would have to assume that the allegation by WW was correct. Didn't you say you wanted everything out on the table?
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                                    • Rand790
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 12-31-07
                                      • 158

                                      #19
                                      SBR has ruled in my favor - give a call to the guy who runs the place, BILL DOZER. SBR obviously can't make anybody pay anybody, but they can significantly hurt their business - did you notice Wagerweb was downgraded to a "C" book.

                                      Now, if you were someone who was looking for a new sportsbook and wanted SBRs advice - do you think you would choose an "A" or "B" book or "C" book.

                                      Yeah............me too!
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                                      • Dark Horse
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-14-05
                                        • 13764

                                        #20
                                        You found a loophole. Good for you. But a loophole is like a wormhole. Eventually it closes. Deal with it. You came out way ahead. Stop squiggling like a worm.
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                                        • Rand790
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 12-31-07
                                          • 158

                                          #21
                                          It's not about me...........it's about WagerWeb making payment to me on those plays that were not past posted and ensuring that everyone who reads this website avoids WagerWeb.................you deal with that.
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                                          • Dark Horse
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 12-14-05
                                            • 13764

                                            #22
                                            It's about WW and you. You're in this dance together.

                                            There is no need for SBR to decide. They can just wash their hands and not get involved. That would not be a decision in favor of the book.
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                                            • Rand790
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 12-31-07
                                              • 158

                                              #23
                                              Darkhorse, SBR has already ruled in my favor - they have got with WagerWeb and strongly suggested that they pay me all of the money that I won from them. When WagerWeb did not make payment, SBR downgraded them from a "B" sportsbook to a "C" sportsbook. If you don't believe me, call Bill Dozer at SBR and ask him.

                                              I tried to work this out between WagerWeb and me, but they simply ignored me. Thus, the reason I came to SBR - I believe sportsbook resolution is the main reason for their existence.

                                              What part of this do you not understand?
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                                              • Dark Horse
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-14-05
                                                • 13764

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!
                                                Darkhorse, SBR has already ruled in my favor - they have got with WagerWeb and strongly suggested that they pay me all of the money that I won from them. When WagerWeb did not make payment, SBR downgraded them from a "B" sportsbook to a "C" sportsbook. If you don't believe me, call Bill Dozer at SBR and ask him.
                                                I know WW was downgraded, as they should be. But I wasn't aware that SBR had told WW to pay you all the money. My impression was that SBR was internally divided and had been trying to work out some compromise with WW.

                                                But if you say so.

                                                Let me ask you a question. What happens when you run into the same trouble with another book in the future?

                                                You're the one looking for trouble (in the hope of getting away with it). What part of finding trouble do you not understand?
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                                                • Rand790
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 12-31-07
                                                  • 158

                                                  #25
                                                  I say so, the guy in charge of SBR agrees and strongly recommended that WagerWeb makes payment.

                                                  Now, all we are asking for is they pay for the non-past posted plays..............
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                                                  • tacomax
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                    • 9619

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!
                                                    I say so, the guy in charge of SBR agrees
                                                    I thought that Bill Dozer works for SBR rather than being in charge of SBR but I'll take your word on that - you seem to be an honest chap.
                                                    Originally posted by pags11
                                                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
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                                                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                    • BigBollocks
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 06-11-06
                                                      • 2045

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by tacomax
                                                      I thought that Bill Dozer works for SBR rather than being in charge of SBR but I'll take your word on that - you seem to be an honest chap.
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                                                      • BigBollocks
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 06-11-06
                                                        • 2045

                                                        #28
                                                        WWSucks why you are still allowed to post on here is beyond me. You are scum, everyone on here knows you are scum, and you've been laughed off of every forum on the web except for this one. You've made over $200K cheating books, thought you'd found another free loophole, and got busted this time. You're rightfully not getting paid this time, and need to move on....
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                                                        • Rand790
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 12-31-07
                                                          • 158

                                                          #29
                                                          You are entitled to your opinion, hope you don't get screwed by a sportsbook - like I did.............
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                                                          • Shark79
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 11-19-07
                                                            • 11211

                                                            #30
                                                            I think this guys is John Layfield .. jeje
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                                                            • increasedodds
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 01-20-06
                                                              • 819

                                                              #31
                                                              Wagerweb should pay this person. End of story.

                                                              They have lost my business and I know at least 5 other people no longer playing there. Once you find one reason not to pay someone, you'll find additional reasons.

                                                              Pay the guy, kick him out, and fix your software.
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                                                              • SBR Lou
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 08-02-07
                                                                • 37863

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by WagerWeb SUCKS!!
                                                                You are entitled to your opinion, hope you don't get screwed by a sportsbook - like I did.............
                                                                I'd hardly call cashing in over $100k with your slimy ethics then finally getting discovered at another book being 'screwed'. I hope that nobody helps you on any future disputes you have where you get yourself into this situation again, which you undoubtedly will.
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                                                                • BigBollocks
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 06-11-06
                                                                  • 2045

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by crazyl
                                                                  I'd hardly call cashing in over $100k with your slimy ethics then finally getting discovered at another book being 'screwed'. I hope that nobody helps you on any future disputes you have where you get yourself into this situation again, which you undoubtedly will.
                                                                  No doubt we'll see him in this position in the future
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                                                                  • BigBollocks
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 06-11-06
                                                                    • 2045

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by increasedodds
                                                                    Wagerweb should pay this person. End of story.

                                                                    They have lost my business and I know at least 5 other people no longer playing there. Once you find one reason not to pay someone, you'll find additional reasons.

                                                                    Pay the guy, kick him out, and fix your software.

                                                                    Call it a hunch, but I seriously doubt they could care less about losing any business from shot takers and supporters of shot takers. I don't play there simply because there are better books with better options...
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                                                                    • Rand790
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 12-31-07
                                                                      • 158

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I strongly believe that WagerWeb has lost significant business because of these postings and will continue to lose business due to their poor management decisions. Of course, they would never admit it, but I doubt they are intelligent enough to have any idea if they gain or lose business, based on my dealings with them.

                                                                      But if you think about it........what if a new player goes to SBR for advice on which sportsbook they should choose - do you think ANYONE at SBR would ever recommend WagerWeb after this disaster.........????

                                                                      I have know idea how many calls or how many views on their website that SBR gets from players everyday requesting a sportsbook opinion, but I am very confident WagerWeb would never be recommended.

                                                                      By the way, if you look around, SBR is the largest sportsbook review type website in this industry.

                                                                      You do the math...............
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