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  • The Seer
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    • 10-29-07
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    #1
    Gambling with a tiger...tiger won...idiots
    Mauling Victim Taunted Tiger, Police Say
    AP
    Posted: 2008-01-18 10:42:25
    Filed Under: Nation News
    SAN FRANCISCO (Jan. 18) - One of the three victims of San Francisco Zoo tiger attack was intoxicated and admitted to yelling and waving at the animal while standing atop the railing of the big cat enclosure, police said in court documents filed Thursday.

    Paul Dhaliwal, 19, told the father of Carlos Sousa Jr., 17, who was killed, that the three yelled and waved at the tiger but insisted they never threw anything into its pen to provoke the cat, according to a search warrant affidavit obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle.

    "As a result of this investigation, (police believe) that the tiger may have been taunted/agitated by its eventual victims," according to Inspector Valerie Matthews, who prepared the affidavit. Police believe that "this factor contributed to the tiger escaping from its enclosure and attacking its victims," she said.

    Sousa's father, Carlos Sousa Sr., said Dhaliwal told him the three stood on a 3-foot-tall metal railing a few feet from the edge of the tiger moat. "When they got down they heard a noise in the bushes, and the tiger was jumping out of the bushes on him (Paul Dhaliwal)," the documents said.

    Police found a partial shoe print that matched Paul Dhaliwal's on top of the railing, Matthews said in the documents.

    The papers said Paul Dhaliwal told Sousa that no one was dangling his legs over the enclosure. Authorities believe the tiger leaped or climbed out of the enclosure, which had a wall 4 feet shorter than the recommended minimum.

    The affidavit also cites multiple reports of a group of young men taunting animals at the zoo, the Chronicle reported.

    Mark Geragos, an attorney for the Dhaliwal brothers, did not immediately return a call late Thursday by The Associated Press for comment. He has repeatedly said they did not taunt the tiger.

    Calls to Sousa and Michael Cardoza, an attorney for the Sousa family, also weren't returned.

    Toxicology results for Dhaliwal showed that his blood alcohol level was 0.16 - twice the legal limit for driving, according to the affidavit. His 24-year-old brother, Kulbir, and Sousa also had alcohol in their blood but within the legal limit, Matthews wrote.

    All three also had marijuana in their systems, Matthews said. Kulbir Dhaliwal told police that the three had smoked pot and each had "a couple shots of vodka" before leaving San Jose for the zoo on Christmas Day, the affidavit said.

    Police found a small amount of marijuana in Kulbir Dhaliwal's 2002 BMW, which the victims rode to the zoo, as well as a partially filled bottle of vodka, according to court documents.

    Investigators also recovered messages and images from the cell phones, but apparently nothing incriminating in connection with the tiger attack, the Chronicle reported.

    Zoo spokesman Sam Singer said he had not seen the documents but believed the victims did taunt the animal, even though they claim they hadn't.

    "Those brothers painted a completely different picture to the public and the press," Singer said. "Now it's starting to come out that what they said is not true."
  • BigBollocks
    SBR MVP
    • 06-11-06
    • 2045

    #2
    A bunch of idiots get drunk and high and act like punks at the zoo. They didn't deserve to die, but they shouldn't make a fortune in taxpayer money either...
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    • RageWizard
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      • 09-01-06
      • 3008

      #3
      I don't understand how the tiger got two of them. Everybody knows that you don't have to be faster than the tiger, but only faster than the slowest guy being chased. Maybe the alcohol had something to do with it. Or maybe the weed, it makes people slow and dumb for a while.
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      • pavyracer
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        • 04-12-07
        • 82839

        #4
        Next coming at a zoo near you. Breathalyzers! Sorry son you are too drunk to walk in our zoo.
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        • BadNina
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          • 11-27-07
          • 10491

          #5
          Yeah, not so brave when the tiger is out of the fence.
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          • Willie Bee
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            • 02-14-06
            • 15726

            #6
            Originally posted by BigBollocks
            They didn't deserve to die, but they shouldn't make a fortune in taxpayer money either...
            They don't deserve a penny in my opinion, though I'm sure they'll end up with at least a six-figure settlement in the end. Saddest part to me is that because of their actions, the animal had to be put down.
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            • swede96
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              • 12-05-07
              • 3875

              #7
              All three also had marijuana in their systems, Matthews said. Kulbir Dhaliwal told police that the three had smoked pot and each had "a couple shots of vodka" before leaving San Jose for the zoo on Christmas Day, the affidavit said.

              Sounds like Christmas to me!! If by "zoo", you mean my mother's upity, sorry excuse for a family.

              I garuntee you they were taunting the tiger...and I don't think they should get a penny.

              They weren't dangling their legs over the side or throwing things? There are other ways to taunt kitties. Thier shoes were on the railing, right? Were their shoes tied or untied? Cuz I know sometimes I'm walking around my house, minding my business...not provoking any of my beasts when a wild cat will come out of no where and visciously maul my shoe laces. Scary scary stuff.
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              • swede96
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                • 12-05-07
                • 3875

                #8
                Originally posted by Willie Bee
                They don't deserve a penny in my opinion, though I'm sure they'll end up with at least a six-figure settlement in the end. Saddest part to me is that because of their actions, the animal had to be put down.

                That's honestly the saddest part for me too. Thos kids were taunting a wild animal. The animal doesn't know any better...the humans should. The animals parents tought it how to be a good, responsible tiger, the humans' parents did not teach them how to be good, responsable humans....why should the tiger suffer?

                I feel the same way about people who get mauled by dogs when they enter their territory.
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                • Stumpage
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                  • 09-21-05
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Willie Bee
                  Saddest part to me is that because of their actions, the animal had to be put down.
                  Absolutely couldn't agree more.....
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                  • swede96
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-05-07
                    • 3875

                    #10
                    Holy crap...my cold meds have retarded me...I'm going to leave the spelling errors there...for my own amusement.
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                    • mofome
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-19-07
                      • 13003

                      #11
                      the worst part is the tiger being killed. what a joke this situation turned into.

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                      • mofome
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                        • 12-19-07
                        • 13003

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Willie Bee
                        They don't deserve a penny in my opinion, though I'm sure they'll end up with at least a six-figure settlement in the end. Saddest part to me is that because of their actions, the animal had to be put down.


                        holy shtt, i just said the same and expected to be on my own


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                        • BadNina
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                          • 11-27-07
                          • 10491

                          #13
                          Nope. In this case, the tiger's family should get six figures.
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                          • teazeman
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                            • 12-27-07
                            • 318

                            #14
                            who the fcuk get's drunk and says "hey guys let's go to the zoo and fcuk with some animals", obviously not the smartest group you'd expect to meet anytime in the near future. i'm also of the mindset that the tiger being put down, before the facts were known, was not only a rush to judgement but a mistake as well.
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                            • TexansFan
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                              • 09-06-06
                              • 3365

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BadNina
                              Nope. In this case, the tiger's family should get six figures.
                              Damn, reminds me that I'm out of Frosted Flakes.
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                              • swede96
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                                • 12-05-07
                                • 3875

                                #16
                                Originally posted by BadNina
                                Nope. In this case, the tiger's family should get six figures.


                                Agreed.
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                                • BadNina
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-27-07
                                  • 10491

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TexansFan
                                  Damn, reminds me that I'm out of Frosted Flakes.

                                  Oh that's sounds GGGRRRREAT!
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                                  • swede96
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                                    • 12-05-07
                                    • 3875

                                    #18
                                    Maybe we should give the tiger's family six FINGERS....I think they'd like that.
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                                    • Shark79
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                                      • 11-19-07
                                      • 11211

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TexansFan
                                      Damn, reminds me that I'm out of Frosted Flakes.
                                      WTF??
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                                      • increasedodds
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 01-20-06
                                        • 819

                                        #20
                                        The tiger was not put down. The tiger was shot as it was still attacking one of the victims and was then coming at police.

                                        Regarding the kids - sure they were probably acting like idiots, but I don't care if they dressed up like antelopes and covered themselves in cheesesteaks, if you are a zoo and you are going to house animals with the ability to kill, it is your responsibility to make sure they can not get out and that reasonable precautions are taken to ensure people can not get into their cages.

                                        Now if these drunks climbed a tree and jumped into the tiger cage, that is their fault, but if the wall was too low and the tiger escaped, well then they all deserve a shit load from the city.

                                        It could have just as easily been your or your kid who was eaten by the escaped tiger.

                                        Sean
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                                        • BigBollocks
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                                          • 06-11-06
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by increasedodds

                                          It could have just as easily been your or your kid who was eaten by the escaped tiger.

                                          Sean


                                          I don't have kids who get drunk and high with a bunch of gangster wannabes on Christmas Day and go to the zoo to **** with animals. I'd like to think the Bollocks family is a tad more educated and sophisticated, but they also won't be receiving a multi-million dollar check from the state of California taxpayers for being idiots either...
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                                          • BrentCrude
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                                            • 11-16-05
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                                            #22
                                            Damn that Martin Scorsese for making the movie Goodfellas!

                                            These poor impressionable children got their idea to tease the beasts from the movie Goodfellas where De Niro and Leota took the guy that owed the mob money and threatened to throw him into the lions mote at the Tampa zoo.I'll bet 100 lawyers are calling the children victims families saying that Scorsese has deep pockets and their case will be looked upon kindly by a brain dead San Francisco jury.

                                            I get such a kick when I listen to my dad and other old people always bring up their opinion that movies are the cause of all evil in kids because they influence them negatively.I always bite my tongue feeling like saying that the kids are violent mindless idiots because of how your generation's favorite president, FDR created a dysfunctional welfare underclass state and an inept bloated public education system that created an audience for violent trashy movies.The movie studios are just providing a product that's in demand from sex perverted, mindless and violent idiots.

                                            Not that Goodfellas should even be considered as one of those movies because the plot is based on a real story and you can't polish a turd as to how to make mobsters look like dainty and loving people.In my dad's world,the truth should not be portrayed in a movie that allows the F word to be used.hehe!
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                                            • Mr Nuts
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                                              • 08-22-05
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by TexansFan
                                              Damn, reminds me that I'm out of Frosted Flakes.
                                              LMFAO!!
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                                              • Willie Bee
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                                                • 02-14-06
                                                • 15726

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by increasedodds
                                                The tiger was not put down. The tiger was shot as it was still attacking one of the victims and was then coming at police.
                                                Well, duh! I have followed the story, and understand perfectly that is how it was put down. If you thought I meant euthanized, then I'll apologize for your misunderstanding. But putting an animal down, at least to me, doesn't always mean taking Fluffy to the vet and having a series of chemicals pumped into them while a Muzak version of Let It Be wafts gently through the stereo. And I might add that while I'm not happy or glad they had to put the animal down, I am in complete agreement with their decision to do so and very satisfied with their actions to prevent it injuring any other people. I had to put a stray dog down one time at my grandfather's ranch because the damn thing kept eating kid goats and slow, fat cats. Hated to do it, but it had to be done.

                                                Regarding the kids - sure they were probably acting like idiots, but I don't care if they dressed up like antelopes and covered themselves in cheesesteaks, if you are a zoo and you are going to house animals with the ability to kill, it is your responsibility to make sure they can not get out and that reasonable precautions are taken to ensure people can not get into their cages.
                                                So do you consider standing on a fence like that and teasing the animal 'reasonable' behavior? I ask because you imply that you hold the zoo responsible for reasonable actions, but not their patrons.

                                                Now if these drunks climbed a tree and jumped into the tiger cage, that is their fault, but if the wall was too low and the tiger escaped, well then they all deserve a shit load from the city.
                                                Fine, have your city foot the bill. The fence was lower than suggested, but if the citizenry wants those fences x-feet high, then pass a law requiring it. I don't believe the height of the wall violates any established law, just a recommendation. Semantics, yes, but in the legal sense semantics are HUGE. Ask former president Clinton and his defense based on the word 'is' a few years back.

                                                If the zoo met the city's safety requirements and the construction was signed off by one of the city's own inspectors, then this is just something for the silly ambulance chasers in civil court. If it didn't meet code or the zoo administration somehow misrepresented itself, then hell yeah, stick it to the HMFIC.

                                                It could have just as easily been your or your kid who was eaten by the escaped tiger.
                                                What Bollocks said.
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                                                • ShamsWoof10
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                                                  • 11-15-06
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                                                  #25
                                                  I agree these kids were idiots and agree with everyone sentaments but a 4 FOOT WALL FOR A CAT..? I know I can jump up on a three foot ledge.. I would imagine a CAT would crush that...

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                                                  • Willie Bee
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                                                    • 02-14-06
                                                    • 15726

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                    ...but a 4 FOOT WALL FOR A CAT..?
                                                    The four-foot wall in your thinking is not correct, Shams.

                                                    http://origin.mercurynews.com/news/ci_7819131
                                                    "All the other incidents that have been reported to me, it's always been human error," said Ronald Tilson, who oversees the AZA's North American program for tigers.

                                                    Tilson said the moat-and-wall design is in keeping with the best modern practices, which favor large outdoor areas, moats or running streams, natural vegetation and few bars between tigers and the viewing public.

                                                    According to guidelines Tilson gives zookeepers, moats should be at least 22 feet wide, with a sheer, 16-foot wall on the visitor's side. San Francisco's enclosure has a dry moat at least 20 feet wide with a wall at least 18 feet high.
                                                    There were some reports that the dimensions SF zoo people gave out were four-feet off at one point, hence the 'four-foot high fence myth' that has been circulating. From what I understand, the sheer wall part may be just 14'-15' high. But seriously, I've got house cats that can go up 15'-20' surfaces in a split second. so make them 25' and some cats will get up them if they are determined.
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                                                    • increasedodds
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                                                      • 01-20-06
                                                      • 819

                                                      #27
                                                      Bollocks, I did not mean that your kids would taunt a tiger. What I meant is any person at that zoo could have been attacked once the tiger escaped. Have your kids ever been to a zoo? It is a hell of a lot of luck, that only those involved taunting her were attacked. Could have just as easily been innocent bystanders.

                                                      When you lock up dangerous animals, the burden is on you.
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                                                      • increasedodds
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                                                        • 01-20-06
                                                        • 819

                                                        #28
                                                        Willie, I think what you are missing is that certain people in society have a higher responsibility than others.

                                                        If you are a city and choose to run a zoo fuel of dangerous animals, it is your responsibility to make sure they can not escape. I could care less what kids were doing. IF no one let the tiger out, it is the city's responsibility to make sure it could not get out.

                                                        A similar argument could be made for a surgeon. If you are a random person and you come across a person who is bleeding to death, you can help without worry of being sued. If you are a surgeon in a hospital and someone comes in bleeding, you are expected to act in a manner associated with your training and you can be sued for screwing up. By taking on the responsibility of performing surgery on patients, you take on a higher burden of responsibility. The same can be said for a city that decides to house tigers.

                                                        Sean
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                                                        • Louisvillekid1
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-17-07
                                                          • 52143

                                                          #29
                                                          idiots. . .
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                                                          • purecarnagge
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                                                            • 10-05-07
                                                            • 4843

                                                            #30
                                                            I'm definately finding a pet tiger. Your telling me I can get rid of drunk stoner kids and get a really cool exotic pet?

                                                            I'm down.
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                                                            • Stumpage
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                                                              • 09-21-05
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                                                              #31
                                                              Like Increased Odds stated earlier, it really was quite amazing and extremely fortunate that the tiger didn't go after some innocent children who I'm sure must have been in attendance. If I recall correctly, the tiger actually followed a couple of the guys in question for a few hundred meters and resumed it's attack. Who knows how many people it passed along the way.

                                                              That truly would have made this story a tragic incident. This must have been one highly focused animal, intent on payback bigtime.....
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                                                              • The Seer
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                                                                • 10-29-07
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Stumpage
                                                                Like Increased Odds stated earlier, it really was quite amazing and extremely fortunate that the tiger didn't go after some innocent children who I'm sure must have been in attendance. If I recall correctly, the tiger actually followed a couple of the guys in question for a few hundred meters and resumed it's attack. Who knows how many people it passed along the way.

                                                                That truly would have made this story a tragic incident. This must have been one highly focused animal, intent on payback bigtime.....
                                                                I'm sure that running from it just trigger it's natural instinct. They chase down running prey in the wild. It'll be a good lesson for those that aren't too stupid to learn from it.
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                                                                • Ball Rash
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                                                                  • 01-04-08
                                                                  • 214

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I have a feeling increaseodds lives in a holiday in

                                                                  and these cats won't case down innocent bystanders and attack them....they seek out their pray (these taunting idiots) in this case and attack them

                                                                  watch the discovery channel every once in a while instead of ESPN

                                                                  it helps
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                                                                  • Willie Bee
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                                                                    • 02-14-06
                                                                    • 15726

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by increasedodds
                                                                    Willie, I think what you are missing is that certain people in society have a higher responsibility than others.
                                                                    And Sean, I think you're missing the point that as far as I'm concerned, at no time does someone escape having any responsibility at all. I will agree with you that one does take on a certain level of increased responsibility when they're a zoo keeper, surgeon, cop, government leader, teacher and a laundry list of other jobs, but ultimately responsibility sits squarely in every adult's lap.

                                                                    That zoo -- its builders, managers, workers and the city (assuming it is technically a municipal entity) -- has a ton of responsibility to secure the animals and make the attraction as safe as possible. But when someone enters the facility, at least the adults, they also bear some responsibility. I've got no idea what might be at this particular exhibit, but the last time I was at a zoo there were signs all over about not feeding the animals, not going inside the enclosures, not tapping on the glass in the reptile house, etc. An getting liquored up and stupid with the ganja so you can stand up on the fence that surrounds one of those enclosures while dancing about and hollering as if you might be an escapee from the ape cage is the match that lit this little fire.

                                                                    My only regret right now, outside of the tiger having to be put down, is that I'm not going to be part of that jury when the case comes to eventual civil trial.
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                                                                    • purecarnagge
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                                                                      • 10-05-07
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      everyones too sue happy. These guys ****ed with a tiger and the tiger said whose your daddy. Who cares about the wall being 4 ft short. I'm willing to bet the tiger would have gotten out regardless if it was taunted.
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