I'm talking about the Presidential election, the primaries are meaningless. I am saying that if it looks like Obama ben Laden will become the next President during the Presidential election the Southern voters will make sure it doesn't happen. What happens in the primaries is just noise at this point.
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No votes from my family, not even the DemocratsComment -
Are you saying that Black people don't vote strictly for candidates only because they are Black? Please. Black voters will overwhelmingly use race as the only basis for voting a candidate into office. Marion Barry, on film smoking crack gets re-elected? Black people are just as racist as White people.Comment -
The southern states generally are very 'red' states anyway so their electoral votes will go to the republican nominee. Non issue there.
The democratic nominee needs to turn a few of the states where the vote was almost 50:50 in the last couple of elections over to their side to win the race.Comment -
haha, sometimes i just can't tell if anybody is serious on a forum like this. if this was a sarcastic remark, you're a pretty funny guy, if you were serious, you could well be one of the most ignorant and dumbest persons i've ever met.
this gotta be one of the all time low threads on sbr though, altough i enjoyed reading it anyhow to have a laugh.
wtf does it matter if the guy is a muslim (which he obviously isn't). hardly any muslim is an extremist, and the attempts by some to prove they are by quoting, for example post #18, the few (no less than AlQaida for god sake) that are actually extremists, is downright stupid and pretty insulting to every sane person on this world.
this one cracked me up the most. Curious have you ever even met a muslim at all? If so, how many? Enough to be able to prove statistically ANY muslim symphatizes? Have you ever asked one straight up if they disagree with Osama's methods/goals? Even if you did, and they said no, you're just thinking they're lying anyway, right (they're only "pretending" to disagree), because that's the kind of evilminded people they all are. Very very sad world you have created in your head.Comment -
I guess some religions are better then others eh
pretty stupid thread indeed and I'm ashamed to have participated in it
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Really? You are joking right?
Let's see, the idiot said that I can't possibly actually know any Muslims. A pretty ridiculous statement. Then he said that I couldn't possibly have asked any of the Muslims (who I don't know) what they thought about 9/11 and other Muslim terrorist atrocities. Then he said even if I did ask these Muslims who I didn't ask and who I don't know a question that was loaded so that it was easy for them to say they did not sympathize with Ben Laden, even if they said they do not sympathize I wouldn't believe it anyway. So, the idiot is presuming to know what I think.
yes, a SOLID post. Give me a ****ing break.Comment -
I never said you don't know any muslims, I asked you if you know any, and if so, how many. For some reason you seem to think I was saying you don't know any muslim, a bit strange..
Anyway, the only one making ridiculous statements here is you. While you didn't say you know EVERY muslim directly, you are certainly implying that by saying "ask any Muslim you know if they sympathize with the GOALS of ben Laden and they will all say yes", since apparently you seem to know what every muslim in this world thinks.
I'm sure you are quite the world traveler, but to be honest with you, I find it unlikely you've talked to them all.Comment -
So, how many Muslims publicly denounced the atrocity on 9/11 and stated emphatically that ben Laden did not speak for them, and that they were appalled at the atrocity?
I watched every news channel for weeks after 9/11 and I don't remember seeing any Muslims do that. What I did see was dancing in the streets in all the capital cities of all the predominantly Muslim countries. So you tell me where all these "moderate" Muslims are who don't support the goals of the terrorists.Comment -
Curios,
the media portrayal of muslims dancing in the streets was for a reason......it was to gather support to go to war against these countries.
I know plenty of muslims and each and every one denounces terrorist acts and Bin Laden (whoever the **** that is) anyway
this thread has become pointless.....discussing religion and politics is a no win situation.....none of us will change the others point of view on these issuesComment -
i saw quite a few.
you do like to use words like "every" and "all". while not entirely unlikely, I doubt if you really saw EVERY news channel (wow, you must have a lot of tv-sets in your house)
Perhaps, I don't know, very very unlikely thought, they were at home minding their own business, like I was.Comment -
You're right about that BR, changing someone's mind on a political or religous topic is nye impossible.
I think what Curious might be trying to project here is that because politicians are usually lying sacks of shit, there is no telling if Obama has actually abandoned his Muslim heritage or if he is an extremist or not. I mean, it's not like you could ask the guy and expect him to tell you the truth. I suppose the answer lies in what kind of risks you're willing to take with your vote.Comment -
The thing that bothers me is that he failed to mention the fact that he was raised in a Muslim household and attended a madrassa in either of his two books. Now, perhaps the truth is that since he was quite young at the time the "Muslim" aspect did not mean anything to him. Okay, so why not just say that?
Here is why I care about this. Whether one likes it or not we are at war with a large part of the Islamic world. The reasons this is the case are complex and many, but basically it boils down to the "one world order" policies that have driven US foreign policy since Wilson embarked the United States on that course. The ideal was lofty, set up a world orgnaization that can ensure peace by intervening in situations where peace has been shattered. Only problem with that ideal is it does not work. Intervention does NOT ensure peace, it ensures war and hatred against the country doing the intervening. People don't like being told what to do. Even if a populace hates their leaders, they will rally around each other when threatened from the outside. Economic sanctions, bombing campaigns without a declaration of war, undeclared "covert" wars, asassination of leaders, preemptive warfare...none of these things ensure peace, they only ensure more war, more hatred, more anger, more violence. The best approach is to be friendly with the rest of the world and trade with them but otherwise LEAVE THEM THE **** ALONE.
Unfortunately, US foreign policy since 1914 has created millions, some say billions, of people who have reason to hate the United States. When I was in Afghanistan (before 9/11) one of my jobs was to set up equipment that could eavesdrop on meetings. I will never forget a meeting of clerics that was held in Afghanistan after the Russians were driven out. The clerics were discussing the United Nations and they said "The United Nations is a whore which offers its services to America and the West in order to spread the American way of life...". There was more to it than that, but what they were basically saying was that they started this war with the west because they are afraid that the interventionist policies of the United Nations (and the United States) and the export of American culture that goes along with that will destroy their culture (Islam). In such a war there can be no negotiations, no peace treaties, no diplomatic solutions, these people aim to kill us.
So, what will Obama do about it? I see two strategies that will work. Strategy one, completely abandon the interventionist policies that have driven US policy for the past 93 years. And, completely repudiate the Kissinger doctrine. And, bring home all US military personnel and stop giving military aid to the rest of the world. Also, withdraw from the United Nations. Stop using economic sanctions to impose the will of the US on other countries. Denounce preemptive and undeclared warfare. In other words STOP MEDDLING in the affairs of others. This does not mean that we allow a new Rwanda or a new Darfur to occur, but stopping genocide is far different from the types of reprehensible policies that the United States has inflicted on the rest of the world.
Would this ease the tensions and get the global Jihadists to leave us alone? Perhaps.
Strategy two. Mobilize for war. Really mobilize, and fight a no holds barred truly frightening war like WWII against the global jihadists no matter where they might be found.
Personally, I prefer strategy one, but if we don't do something different from the same ole, same ole that Bush the elder, the Clintonistas, and now Bush the Lesser have stuck us with since the Berlin wall fell we will be fighting this war for a long, long time and eventually we will be fighting it here.
So, what will Obama do to avert this catastrophe? Where are his loyalties? What sympathies does he have with the global Jihadists? These questions are too important to leave unanswered.Comment -
Keep making stuff up people, maybe eventually someone will believe it.
He also went to Catholic schools -- oh no, perhaps he is secretly Catholic!Comment -
Hitler was born Christian. Mussolini was Catholic. Did this make them good leaders?Comment -
Hey ****ing retards!
He was never raised Muslim. He was never a Muslim.
No wonder our country is going so poorly.Comment -
I live in the South and have always lived in the South. Curious is right whether you like it or not when he said Obamma will never get elected here.Comment -
Can we just keep all the retards in one thread from now on? Hopefully the majority of Americans aren't as stupid as you, but I fear otherwise.Comment -
His biological father wasn't practicing any religion when his parents were married. He left Obama at the age of 2, so I'm just going to hazard a guess and say that he doesn't really remember much of him.
From when he was 6 to 10, he lived with his step-father in Indonesia. Being Indoensian, yes his step father was a Muslim (although he also was not practicing)-- who worked for a US Oil Company. He attended one public school and one catholic school. He did not attend a madrassa.
He returned to Hawaii to live with his Grandmother at the age of 10.
You, Curious, are part the reason why our country is in such a sad state.Comment -
Sorry, he did attend a madrassa before attending Catholic school.
So, the country is in a sad state because I said that having two fathers who are Muslim means he was raised in a Muslim household? How silly of me to jump to such a far fetched conclusion.
The most important formative years are from birth till the age of 9. He lived in Muslim households during those years.
You say his fathers were "non-practicing" Muslims. There is no such thing, especially in Indonesia. I have been there. Have you? Either his fathers denounced their Muslim religion and were apostates, or they were Muslims. Now, any Muslim living in Jakarta who denounced his Muslim religion wouldn't be around long.
I guess my wanting to know the facts about someone who wants to run the country makes me a real contributor to the sorry state of my country. Get a grip crackhead.Comment -
The biggest muslim president we ever had is GWB. Guess where he is today kissing butt. In ****ing Saudi Arabia for god's sake that caused 9/11. He is aligning with the terrorist funders!Comment -
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The Associated Press reported:
CNN reports:A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religous Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.
"SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths,"
The school is public but is very competitive and has exceptionally high standards. It is located in one of the most affluent parts of Jakarta and attracts mostly middle- to upper-class students, among them several of former dictator Suharto's grandchildren.
Shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta in investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause.
What were you doing in Indonesia Curious, more mercenary work? Do you still want to nuke the whole middle east?Comment -
Generally providing links when conversing with Curious will do one of two things:
1. He stops posting in the thread entirely.
2. He starts using tons of expletives.
I would feel sorry for the guy if his types weren't so dangerous.Comment -
Please do not speak for me, I am perfectly capable of speaking for myself.
Sorry crackhead, but quoting one of Obama's aides doesn't clear up anything.
I don't need or want you to feel sorry for me.
What, exactly is my "type"?
In exactly what way am I "dangerous"? Is it the fact that I won't let crackheads belittle or harass me, but, instead I stand up for myself?Comment -
Apparently CNN and the Associated Press are now aids to Barrack Obama.Comment -
that's it.....I'm converting to muslinism tomorow
and I have never practiced religion in my entire life but you guys made me see the lightComment -
God forbid they give the keys to nukes to curious he will destroy the universe in two seconds to prove he is right.Comment
