If obama became president then. . .

[Ball Rash]

the ignorance in this thread should concern each and every free thinking person living in the US

[Jamie_UK]

If Obama wins and becomes President, he better have his security sorted out

[curious]

The outright racism and ignorance still being spewed on forums like this absolutely astounds me. I'm an optimist, and I thought we had gotten past all this crap for the most part. Apparently not.

How is acknowledging the way things are "racist"? Are you saying that southerners won't vote against Obama ben Laden?

I don't like Obama ben Laden, but that has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that he is a DemoCong party member. I don't want to live in a People's Republic.

[Ball Rash]

If Obama wins and becomes President, he better have his security sorted out

for sure

there will be attempts on his life even before he takes ofice IMO

it's a shame in 2008

[Ball Rash]

How is acknowledging the way things are "racist"? Are you saying that southerners won't vote against Obama ben Laden?

I don't like Obama ben Laden, but that has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that he is a DemoCong party member. I don't want to live in a People's Republic.

case and point

the guys name is Barak Obama

[durito]

If Obama wins and becomes President, he better have his security sorted out

He already has secret service protection. They kept Bush fine, I'm sure he'll be fine.

Curious, you should go back to Iraq.

[Ball Rash]

He already has secret service protection. They kept Bush fine, I'm sure he'll be fine.

Curious, you should go back to Iraq.

true, but I don't think anyone would want to be rotting in jail for taking a dumbass out

[Sportsgirl]

The outright racism and ignorance still being spewed on forums like this absolutely astounds me. I'm an optimist, and I thought we had gotten past all this crap for the most part. Apparently not.

Sorry, dwaechte, but I just HATE when people pull the race card when it's so invalid to do so. I've read over curious' posts and do not see where he mentioned Obama as being a black man and that that's why he wasn't voting for him. That would be racism. But Curious has mentioned concerns about Obama's religion and his background - valid concerns for any free-thinking American voter. At least he's taken the time to research this candidate instead of what people often do, which is blindly go to the polls based on what a candidate has said they are going to do for this country. If a person has gotten to a place where they could be potentially elected president, then they are mostly likely a lying sack of crap, regardless of party affiliation. You don't get to that point without having lied, greased palms or given away the soul of your grandmother. Taking the time to look at a person's background to see who they REALLY are as opposed to who they SAY they are is only smart when it comes to determining who to vote for. Sadly, most people just believe the retoric candidates spew and ignorantly punch the poll button.

[durito]

Sorry, dwaechte, but I just HATE when people pull the race card when it's so invalid to do so. I've read over curious' posts and do not see where he mentioned Obama as being a black man and that that's why he wasn't voting for him. That would be racism. But Curious has mentioned concerns about Obama's religion and his background - valid concerns for any free-thinking American voter. At least he's taken the time to research this candidate instead of what people often do, which is blindly go to the polls based on what a candidate has said they are going to do for this country. If a person has gotten to a place where they could be potentially elected president, then they are mostly likely a lying sack of crap, regardless of party affiliation. You don't get to that point without having lied, greased palms or given away the soul of your grandmother. Taking the time to look at a person's background to see who they REALLY are as opposed to who they SAY they are is only smart when it comes to determining who to vote for. Sadly, most people just believe the retoric candidates spew and ignorantly punch the poll button.

No of those "concerns" happen to be true.

[pavyracer]

If Bush made it is a president then anyone has a chance. Remember, GOD told him there were WMD's in Iraq!

[BrentCrude]

Oprah will get so excited she will have a feeding frenzy and fall on him or else explode in his presence and it will be the 1st accidental presidential assassination in history.

It looks like Ball Rash-Al Harris don't take kindly to posters poking fun at his homey peeps.Geesh,partake in some levity Ball Rash,life is too short not to get a few laughs everyday.

I'm of the same nationality as Dennis Kocinich and I think the guy is a nut case that I hope never wins the presidency.Actually,for a democrat he's still nuts and a socialist with gun control and just about every other core value that eats away at me but the guy is a character that makes me laugh and isn't a run of the mill commie lib Hillary type.

[Ball Rash]

not sure what ypu're talking about Brent

I don't agree with the guy's politics but to see people passing judgement on him on blatant lies should be a concern to everyone

[curious]

not sure what ypu're talking about Brent

I don't agree with the guy's politics but to see people passing judgement on him on blatant lies should be a concern to everyone

Are you saying that he was not raised in a Muslim household and did not attend a Muslim school during his formative years and sort of "forgot" to mention that fact in his books? He claims his mother was an atheist yet she was married to two different devout Muslim men?

I admit I thought he was the one who swore in on the Koran.

I liked his answer to the idiot who asked him if he inhaled, "That was sort of the point, wasn't it"? I would be more impressed if he had said upfront: "I was raised in a Muslim household, I attended a Muslim school during my formative years...but I have turned my back on that way of life".

[curious]

Oprah will get so excited she will have a feeding frenzy and fall on him or else explode in his presence and it will be the 1st accidental presidential assassination in history.

It looks like Ball Rash-Al Harris don't take kindly to posters poking fun at his homey peeps.Geesh,partake in some levity Ball Rash,life is too short not to get a few laughs everyday.

I'm of the same nationality as Dennis Kocinich and I think the guy is a nut case that I hope never wins the presidency.Actually,for a democrat he's still nuts and a socialist with gun control and just about every other core value that eats away at me but the guy is a character that makes me laugh and isn't a run of the mill commie lib Hillary type.

Oprah Windbag likes Obama ben Laden? Now, I know something is fishy with him.

[Jamie_UK]

I hope Obama wins, it would be the most ironic thing I have ever seen.

[Ball Rash]

thr guy is a catholic that's a fact

another fact is that he lived in Indonesia when he was 5 years old with his family and went to school there...I'm sure you know that Indonesia is predominantly a muslim country and so are the schools there.....if you want to throw that in the guys face then so be it

I was christened or whatever you call that when I was a couple of months old.....does that make me a christian? HELL NO....it was my parents idea....I don't do religion....

anyway.....caryy on....mute point to debate as people will always ave their own views on politics and religion

hope you have a good betting day...lets go chargers

[Sportsgirl]

thr guy is a catholic that's a fact

Actually, it's not a fact. From his own Web site http://obama.senate.gov/about/

"Obama is especially proud of being a husband and father of two daughters, Malia, 9 and Sasha, 6. Obama and his wife, Michelle, married in 1992 and live on Chicago’s South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ."

That church has 10 points of committment for membership, No. 4 is:

"A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"

The "all caps" part was like that on their Web site. I fail to see how a man who is a member of a church with a nonnegotiable commitment to Africa can be president of the US. I'd rather his nonnegotiable commitment be to America.

Here's the link to the church site, if you're interested:

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

[curious]

thr guy is a catholic that's a fact

another fact is that he lived in Indonesia when he was 5 years old with his family and went to school there...I'm sure you know that Indonesia is predominantly a muslim country and so are the schools there.....if you want to throw that in the guys face then so be it

I was christened or whatever you call that when I was a couple of months old.....does that make me a christian? HELL NO....it was my parents idea....I don't do religion....

anyway.....caryy on....mute point to debate as people will always ave their own views on politics and religion

hope you have a good betting day...lets go chargers

The thing that bothers me is that Obama never mentioned the fact in his book.

Big difference in attending a madrassa from the age of 5 to the age of 8 and being christened at the age of a few months, as you well know.

Perhaps he never mentioned it because there was no impact on his outlook on life and it was just a non event for him. Then just say so, that is all I am saying.

[Ball Rash]

thanks sportsgirl

I was misinformed on that

I just fail to see how and why religion is that big of a deal in politics as it is.

religion is the source of almost all wars

[curious]

Actually, it's not a fact. From his own Web site http://obama.senate.gov/about/

"Obama is especially proud of being a husband and father of two daughters, Malia, 9 and Sasha, 6. Obama and his wife, Michelle, married in 1992 and live on Chicago’s South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ."

That church has 10 points of committment for membership, No. 4 is:

"A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"

The "all caps" part was like that on their Web site. I fail to see how a man who is a member of a church with a nonnegotiable commitment to Africa can be president of the US. I'd rather his nonnegotiable commitment be to America.

Here's the link to the church site, if you're interested:

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

A fundamentalist Church of Christ member with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA? Wow that is even worse than being a fundamentalist Muslim. No wonder Oprah Windbag likes this character.

[curious]

thanks sportsgirl

I was misinformed on that

I just fail to see how and why religion is that big of a deal in politics as it is.

religion is the source of almost all wars

Exactly my point. Exactly why I care about the religion of the Presidential candidates.

[Sportsgirl]

thanks sportsgirl

I was misinformed on that

I just fail to see how and why religion is that big of a deal in politics as it is.

religion is the source of almost all wars

Religion is only a big deal if a person has a commitment to it. It would be hard for a man to separate what he believes in from his actions and his choices; therefore, knowing what a person puts their faith in can give you pretty good insight into what kind of person they are.

[Ball Rash]

curious & sportsgirl thanks

guess because I don't practice any of that I don't see it

guess religion should be abolished then the world would be a better place

[Louisvillekid1]

I would rather have an ex-muslim moderate christian president than a baptist, mormon, religious fundamendalist.

What is wrong with being baptist? . . .Yea an ex muslim huh, what did we ever do to anybody. . .

[Sportsgirl]

curious & sportsgirl thanks

guess because I don't practice any of that I don't see it

guess religion should be abolished then the world would be a better place

There are probably 500 or more religions based on the Bible; I think if we abolished all be the right one, we'd be in good shape

thanks BR - it's been enlightening. Good luck with your picks today.

[curious]

curious & sportsgirl thanks

guess because I don't practice any of that I don't see it

guess religion should be abolished then the world would be a better place

It is a very dangerous thing when people are convinced that "God is on my side" or that they have a "God given right" to rule, or to live on "their" land, or to justify anything else they want to do. When that happens atrocities of unbelievable scale become "God's work". Religious people scare the shit out of me.

When I was in Iraq the second time, I saw a school where the women who ran the school were executed in front of the children because the women had not obeyed the sharia law to "stay home". When we caught up with the cowards that murdered these poor women they were convinced that they had done "God's work" in carrying out this horrible horrible crime.

[Sportsgirl]

It is a very dangerous thing when people are convinced that "God is on my side" or that they have a "God given right" to rule, or to live on "their" land, or to justify anything else they want to do. When that happens atrocities of unbelievable scale become "God's work". Religious people scare the shit out of me.

When I was in Iraq the second time, I saw a school where the women who ran the school were executed in front of the children because the women had not obeyed the sharia law to "stay home". When we caught up with the cowards that murdered these poor women they were convinced that they had done "God's work" in carrying out this horrible horrible crime.

That is truly frightening, curious.

[Ball Rash]

that's ****ed up Curious

[gridiron guru]

Of course you're going to have racism and ignorance from a board that's predominately white...America does not want to see a Black president because they are still living in the Jim Crow era afraid to step outside the box to see a more broad picture. People will not vote for Mr. Obama on the sole basis that his skin color is not white which is truly sad.

[DrunkenLullaby]

the ignorance in this thread should concern each and every free thinking person living in the US

Ignorance won the battle 4 years ago when "we" RE-elected the biggest buffoon in history. After that, no expression of American ignorance should really surprise anyone.

[dodif]

I find nearly eveyone I have ever met an idiot.

[pavyracer]

If we could elect a white puppet as our president to avoid a black president we will do it in a heartbeat. Wait a second, we already have a puppet president. It's called GWB.

[curious]

Of course you're going to have racism and ignorance from a board that's predominately white...America does not want to see a Black president because they are still living in the Jim Crow era afraid to step outside the box to see a more broad picture. People will not vote for Mr. Obama on the sole basis that his skin color is not white which is truly sad.

And you know the race of the majority of the members of this board how?

I love it how some people always pull out the race card when they don't get their way. My feelings about Obama Ben Laden have nothing to do with race. My pointing out that the southern states won't allow him to be elected is just pointing out a fact.

If Halle Barry runs for President I would vote for her.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Curious, you & IMGV94 need to do some head-to-head wagering. Hell, I'll be the betting exchange. He thinks -375 on Obama in So Carolina is a lock, you think Obama has no shot in the Confederate states.

Out of the goodness of my heart, I'll let you both lay -200.

[curious]

Ignorance won the battle 4 years ago when "we" RE-elected the biggest buffoon in history. After that, no expression of American ignorance should really surprise anyone.

What specific "ignorance" was expressed in this thread?

Was it:
1) The Southern states won't allow Obama Ben Laden to be elected.
2) Some people have serious concerns about Obama Ben Laden's true religious feelings given that he "forgot" that he attended a madrassa when he lived in Jakarta.
3) People expressing doubts about Obama were immediately labeled racists even though they said nothing at all about his race.
4) An Obama supporter stated "Obama is a Catholic and that is a fact", when in fact Obama claims to be a Church of Christ member.
5) Obama supporters accused posters in this thread of being racists, when in fact there was no basis to make such an accusation given the posts that have actually been made.