Originally posted by Dirty Sanchez
Herbie, where you at right now?
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They are true, I can confirm.
Herbie, where you at right now?Comment -
Best of luck Herb, I still can't understand how people think gambling can be a full time way of income.
I hope you can turn things around, T-Bone.Comment -
Could be worse. You could be brock landers. See picture below
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Long story... Ended up drunk on a bus back to Oklahoma after staying in Vegas about three or four days after the bash (hint - I offered to share the rest of the trip earlier for 300 points)... I needed it come back in a couple weeks anyhow so it probably was for the best...Originally posted by FishheadComment -
Fishhead, I saw your second post first which why I replied to instead of this one...Originally posted by Fishhead
Yea, I'm actually planning on heading back out to Vegas after I liquidate my stuff... I figure if I have to get a crappy job might as well do it somewhere there is something to do to after work... My current plans are to get a cheap van and gym/pool membership so I know for sure I have somewhere to sleep and take a shower...
I've played some VP off and on in Vegas, Laughlin, and California (in Oklahoma the VP typically sucks like all the table games here) so I only done it if I saw something with a very high return or to hustle comps...
Basically any game I would need to refresh up on... I could be proficient enough to grind say JoB, DW, or NSUD (the only three games I learned proficient enough to not need to frequently check strategy cards) in a day or so... Obviously I can learn any other strategy as well (and done "modified" strategies off the games I know for BP or DB) but would need more time to learn another vastly different strategy...Comment -
I'm not faking anything or defrauding anyone except for trying to keep my real name private and have obvious reasons for trying to keep it that way... Some people here probably know my name but I'm assuming they will respect my wishes and, at this point, really could care less if it did get exposed... Since I haven't got anyone to accept my trip report for 300 points I'm willing to make a video of my current living space (I believe my brother has digital video recorder) for the same price...Originally posted by Dirty SanchezComment -
I wish you well, I guess my only question is why won't you work?
What is the big deal about having a job?Comment -
Herbie - what have you done the last 5 years? sports betting? poker? vp? blackjack? just curious.Comment -
As stated several times above I'm probably getting a job (and had one a few months ago that didn't work out)...Originally posted by MartinBlank
Primarily poker... I've also done sports and casino bonuses (both poker and exploiting bonuses used to be alot easier) and played some vp but never counted cards... When I had some money I used to bet sports for fun but never anything big (I would say $25 would be a unit for me, $100 a big bet)... I haven't made a "fun bet" on a game in probably a year and, honestly, once you start gambling everyday (and depending on the money you win) gambling for fun loses almost all the luster and I would rather read a book or watch movie in my free time (at least this has been the case for me... I realize other people are different)... I've done my share of degen things in the past but the last "binge" was several years ago...Originally posted by clarkd32
For example, I was in Vegas for little less in then a week during and after the bash and the only gambling I did was trying to show a friend from Poland how to hustle drinks on a penny machine (he hit the 30 line bet button a couple times before he caught on... my "free" drink ended up costing me $1.33 on the machine and $1 tip)...
edit: For completeness I've also scalped tickets and done paid petitioning in the past to make some extra money...Comment -
Second blog post (concerning yesterday)...
Today has been rough as well... Tried to quit smoking (again) but ended up hustling my brother into buying me a pack as a buyout on a quit smoking bet we made... My ex-wife was also nice enough to overdraft my checking account using my itunes account so I'm probably going to have to borrow $50 from my parents to try and cover that... Also hustled a ticket up for the Black Crowes tomorrow in Tulsa... more details later...Comment -
I admire people like HERB
HERB, hang in there.....THINGS WILL GET BETTER, even though it may take awhile.
Keep the faith pal......
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You took a bus back to Oklahoma??????
Herbie, 24 hours after you seen me at the NUGGET I was headed to Oklahoma, you could have came with me.Comment -
Damnit FH if you keep pushing me with questions I'm not going to have anything left from my trip worth hustling in exchange for points...Originally posted by Fishhead
I was planning on staying in Vegas for a couple weeks before heading to California (because the friend who offered me a place to stay had a relative who died and asked me not to come for a couple weeks... I think I may have already told you that part)... Anyhow, I had three options for somewhere to stay in Vegas but (of course) I choose the worst one and was ready to get out of where I was staying but didn't want to spend the money for a cheap room (I was also very drunk and, in my mind, I was making some kind of idealistic moral stance...) As I had never rode greyhound before (they have a deal were you can get unlimited rides for like $500 for 60 days) I wanted to try it out before I committed myself to that purchase... By the time I sobered up (and woke up) I was watching some guy get arrested who just got off our bus in Kingsman...
If I had know I was coming back so soon I would have hit you up for a ride but when you are semi-homeless and cash strapped in a city like Vegas it is kindof hard to plan beyond a couple days (which is the reason I'm looking to invest in a cheap van)...Comment -
LVHerbie,
Let me start off all joking aside you a scaring the shit out of me. I feel like I could be in your situation in 5 years if shit doesnt go right. The place Herbie is in is a place I do not want to go and that is why I become at times hesitant to quit my job as a police officer and move to Vegas to do this for a living. Do I feel I can win YES.....but so did herbie. Herbie hang in there my friend. Let me tell you something you and everyone else already knows. GET A JOB....no matter the job, you got a military background, get a job at a security firm getting 13 an hour. Once you do that restart your life. FUK your credit cards, your life is fukked as of now and don't need anymore credit so if it hurts your credit so be it.
NOW after you liquidate your assets take your ass to Vegas. Once their figure out your true bills
#1) Shelter
#2) Food
#3) IRS
#4) School Loans
Everything else can fukking wait.
Then find out what your best sport is (if you are going to gamble), lets say you are like me and baseball is your thing.
Go get 2 fukking jobs YES TWO FUKKING JOBS.
Work 80 hours a week+.
Set your money aside like below
AFTER BILLS (Shelter,Food,IRS)
60% Saving Account Bankroll (Do not FUKING TOUCH)
20% Living expenses not included in BILLS
10% Play money, This is to drink and gamble and have fun.
DO this until April 1,2011 then get ready for the baseball season
Take the down time, to cut down on the beer and get in shape. HERBIE KID you want to make it trust me this is what the FUK you need to do. I think about this shit 8 to 10 hours a day. I have thought of every fukking angle.......you have to be prepared.
I will give you more advice if you want man stay strong and stay positive.
NO MATTER WHAT THOUGHT THESE THINGS BELOW MUST BE DONE IN THE NEXT 30 Days if you want to make it
#1) Get your fukking priorities straight (Shelter, Food, IRS, School Loans) (If you want to fukking gamble you need a roll and cant blow it on Beer and Cigs and other BS)
#2) Get a job
#3) Stop paying your BS Credit Card Bills. Its a fukking waste you dont need credit it is part of the reason you are fukked up now.
HERBIE let me know if you need anything........
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Herbie will be back in this game in no time.Comment -
Excellent, excellent post, Matt.
IF I was single and broke-broke and car-less, I, personally, would do what I had to do and get 2k together and go to Vegas and grind like a motherfugger in 1-2 NL games downtown, eating for free on comps, living either in the hotels on Expedia deals or whatever, or at that place on Carson where broke-ass car-less grinders seem to end up (maybe it's Park Avenue; anyway, it's like $500/month, but I hear it's roach-less, LOL).
So, life will suck, but you can play 12 hours a day, won't need a car and won't need to spend on food. And you can also, when on poker breaks, wander around the downtown books picking off Pinny-lean weak numbers, even if it's only for $20 a pop.
Unless you're retarded, you'll hold 3k/month after expenses, minimum. Then, let time go by. You didn't get in this hole overnight. You aren't getting out of it overnight.
And if you can't even beat 1-2 for even $15 (and most people can't, tbh, but you claim to be a poker player), get a job with casino security. You've got a military background and, assuming no criminal record, should be good to go. And Matt's right about this, too, if you're going the job route: work two jobs. Work, sleep, work, work some more, sleep, work again. Live later.
Fishhead, why do I picture the opening scene in the movie "Hard Eight" when I think of you and Herbie?Comment -
Matt and Pokerjoe,
Thanks for advice and kind words... I actually went to dealer school after getting out of the military (I didn't get a job then because this was during the Katrina epidemic and break in jobs were tough to come by for awhile because of those relocating from the Gulf area)... This is one of the reasons I left Vegas originally and headed back to Oklahoma because I could get back into school right away rather then wait to get in-state tuition there... Anyhow my point is that my understanding from this experience was that you expect to go through an extensive background check for any job you apply for in a casino that involves money/security or whatever... I'm assuming this includes a credit check and, with the current economic climate in Vegas, I'm sure having a 5 figure tax lien isn't going to make my chances any better...Comment -
Can you work anything through the VA? Got to be a program for ex-military.Comment -
You will be, dont try it until you have 6 months living expenses, a savings,and a proper gambling bankroll.Originally posted by LVBOUNDComment -
oh yea, and a proven winner over a big sampleOriginally posted by RudyRuetiggerComment -
Guys/Herbie................you will be just fine once I get my ass out to Vegas.
RELAXComment -
I’m gonna sound like a dick here and most will assume I am sitting in judgment but actually I’m just stating an opinion and a personal belief and in doing so I realize everyone’s situation is different.
Having a dream is one thing, everyone has dreams. Following those dreams though should be reserved for those that can AFFORD them. That doesn’t mean having the monetary means to follow those dreams exactly but it does mean not having to rely on the kindness or support of others in pursuit of that dream.
When does the realization that not everyone’s dreams come true set in? For most it doesn’t set in until they have gone through everything they have and exhausted all resources anyone associated with them have been kind enough to give.
Personal sacrifices are one thing but when family and friends have to sacrifice (even if it’s making adjustments to their own personal comforts) in order for you to obtain your dream, it’s not just selfish it’s wrong. People get so caught up in their own struggle to reach their goal they tend to overlook or simply not care about those who are altering their lives so you can live yours.
As I said I’m not addressing you specifically, I am given an opinion about the topic in general. If you reach your goal and in the process you sacrifice family and friends along the way, how much reward is there? If one can stand on their own and reach for the stars then great, more power to them.Comment -
Good post WallyComment -
Herbie,
I really don't have much to say about your situation and although I don't think gambling more will help in the long run it saddens me to read about how this has taken a toll on your life. Take what few points I have ... its not for "your story" in Vegas its just a small gift. If your story is just another lie told then ok .. thats on your conscious ..Comment -
I'm returning your points as I'm not accepting charity... (At this point)...Originally posted by ChelComment -
So let's see.... you've got:
a. a 10k tax lien;
b. going through divorce; and
c. presumably on unemployment.
You're going to liquidate some assets and then try to gamble your way up and out of it. Ignoring whether the plan itself is a good idea, do you really think blogging about the details of this whole thing is such a good idea? How is that going to help you? You do realize that your blog will be visible to:
a. taxing authorities and other debt collectors;
b. your wife and her attorney; and
c. unemployment officials.
Think about it.Comment -
Herbie: A wise friend told me--Don't concentrate on your debt.Your primary objective is to earn as much money as possible.Believe me,I live a different life than you but there are similarities.Try to make some honest cash.One step at a time.If you worry about everything,it overwhelming.
If you have one good day(working and doing the right thing)---build off of that..It will accumulate...You need to try or your just going to be miserable for life.Stay strongComment -
Thanks for comments and advice... I'm trying to be respectful of those around me (knowing they haven't and don't necessary agree with many of the decisions I've made (and making) with my life) and I also don't want to divulge or expose too much about their situations...Originally posted by wal66
I think part of problems I have developed is due to the fact that I've often put others' needs before my own and, given my current circumstances, I'm trying really hard to focus completely on getting myself back to point were I'm self-sufficient again... Basically I'm saying that the relationships with my family specifically have never been just a one way street and I believe that if these relationships ended today that they would say I've given at least as much I've taken from them...
And, at least from a monetary perspective, I know this to be the case...
And, for the record, I'm not claiming to be a saint... I've done several ****** up things in life that I'm pretty ashamed of and would (obviously... and I'm assuming like pretty much everyone else) would make changes if I was allowed...Comment -
I'm spending too much time here and got other stuff I need to be working on so I'm won't be responding to anything else in this thread for a least a week...Comment -
I lied about not posting again... Please reread the whole thread if you want answers to your questions because your assumptions are incorrect... I also have plans to make money through this in future (not sure if this will happen or not) and have other personal long term goals that I also prefer not to discuss publicly...Originally posted by d2bets
Also, strangely, I'm finding the whole experience kindof therapeutic... (and I'm starting to wonder if this is why JJ continues to do his thing...)
Anyhow, trust me, my motives are completely selfish...Comment -
I think LVbound spelled it out best, but if your in Oklahoma the oil field business is hiring there again. You arent very old so you should have no trouble getting a job as a roughneck in an oil patch. I have a friend who just left a $25 hour port crane operators job here in FL to move to Oklahoma to take a $35 an hour roughneck job, and he is close to 40 years old. Good luck with it.
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Going to add this, you said you got out of military 5 years ago, so your less than 35 years old, if you have any experience in Afghanistan or Iraq you will have no trouble getting a contrators job in Iraq. All the troops Obama pulled out of Iraq are being replaced with private security contractors again. If you have combat experience and can verify it, you will have no trouble finding contractors paying 90k-120k tax free for 12 month contracts. The only thing that might hurt you is your IRS problems,and you got to have a clean background to get these jobs.
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Herb,
Has there been any thought about taking a break? Just to really take some time off and re-evaluate. If you are a poker player, play poker, no sports, no blackjack, It almost seems like you are headed to war with just a platoon.
I can only speak for myself, but after years of looking at records I stopped betting on football, I bet baseball and only baseball, I was throwing away money I would make on baseball on football. So you may want to self evaluate and be honest, play to what are your strong points.
Props to Fishhead, I caught that you know Herb, but to offer assistance, that's really cool.
Pulling for you man, As Extra Innings said look into the V.A., they do have some vocational programs, computer training and other things I'm sure. Best of luck.Comment -
I said I wasn't going to post again for a week but...
I'm currently lining up a weight loss bet and quit smoking bet... The terms are still being ironed out but it looks the bet is going to involve me losing an excessive amount of weight in a years time and not smoke any cigarettes (tobacco only) during the same period... I currently have a little over 300 points and need to use them for something tonight that will either leave me with over 600 points or zero... Regardless I'm willing to escrow up to a year worth of future points as I get them (I assuming they will still around in that time period) on the weight loss bet if anyone is interested (the quit smoking bet would require trust outside of SBR so I'm not going to offer that up here but wanted to include the info because it will clearly be working against the weight loss portion of the bet...) Right now the terms look like I'm going to have to be down to 165 pounds within a year (I been at this weight before in my adult life... although only briefly) and I'm currently sitting at about 225-230... Once I get the terms ironed out for my bet in "the real" world I will offer similar terms here... I'm willing to make a video of my weigh in, some update vids, and set the deadline of the bash next year so I can weigh in there (and, obviously, if I no show I would lose the bet) dependent on me getting the action I'm looking for...
I'm also looking for a trust worthy escrow for any bets I get lined up here...Comment -
Hmmm... While the quit smoking bet is still on the weight loss bet is off... Apparently the agreement was reached in haste late last night and, after sobering up, my biggest backer has backed out... Apparently I live in this non-sober condition continuously because I thought it was a legit bet both intoxicated (last night) and in my "normal" (slightly more normal?) condition (today)... Anyhow, I'm going back on my hiatus from this thread...
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A facebook post that seems like a good ending to my participation in this thread...
<<Wishing I would have ignored the math and bought a half point on Minn last night... Obviously you have to look at gambling (and life in general) as one long monopoly game that never ends (glamorous right?) but still frustrating splurging on gas station donuts instead of going out for sushi...>>
I'm pretty sure I'm done with this thread and copying my blog to the mySBR page... Right now I can't figure out how to tie it in with my long term objectives about going public with my problems so I will probably be working on these things independent of SBR's forum... I may change my mind a few days (I do this alot actually) but for now this is done... I'll still be posting elsewhere as (obviously) 50 cents in points (or whatever they are now worth) is currently a big deal to my bankroll...Comment
