listen to my sad story

[mavs1978]

i called a local guy to play the over in the mavs game for 3 dimes tonight.. he gives me 188...

so when i call back later to play cincy and the iowa under he starts whining how he had to lay off my mavs over.. at 189.. he then procedes to ask me if ill take 89 and after much thought .. me being a nice guy agrees to make it 188-. as you can see this really sucked.

any opinions on this ... and spare me the i should play offshore stuff( i do) but i like the guy and he likes to coat-tail me a nickel for himself on my plays...

what would you guys have done?

[ipickwinners]

when u called him to get the number for the o/u line, what did u ask him? or say to him specifically?

[mavs1978]

i asked him what the total was .. he said 188.. i said over for 3 dimes..


there is no disputing i got 188.. he just wanted a favor bc he gave me a number he could not lay off

i felt bad for him so i pushed it to 188- trying to be nice.. he was not going to force me too

[ipickwinners]

if u did that to him for a fav, i think the right thing for u both to do would be count it as a no bet, but thats just me, im sure others would say otherwise

[raiders72002]

$3000 lesson. Pay the man.

[Cee]

See if he he'll split as 1500 each. Both parties at fault IMO

[moses millsap]

Very simple. Pay him his 3 dimes.

[mofome]

thats a really tough loss, but you never give a half a point out of the kindness of your heart. you claim this is a great guy, if so, he'll offer to pay half. if not...hes not all that great and id stop using him. most con-artists seem like great people.

[moses millsap]

most con-artists seem like great people.

Quiet!

[mofome]

Quiet!

[chandler1981]

What would have happened if you wouldn't have called back to make the second bet? Was he even going to call you? I know you prob don't have the answer but I am close to my bookie and he always knows the "lay off" lines and gives me them if the play is large enough where he doesnt want to hold it. That definitely sucks but I would hope he would split it with ya. Sorry to hear as this does suck bad.

[bigboydan]

Interesting case here mavs1978.

Here you have a local that gives you a line and then crawdads on it, and tries to reset it on you. Then you being a nice guy agree to the new line.

You know what they say about nice guys... They finish last. What you should have just told him was "you shouldn't have laid it off", and end continued on with your business.

As far as who's fault it is and how it should be settled is that you split it in half and move on.

[m3vr6]

pay up the 3k!

[MoneySportsGuy]

thats a really tough loss, but you never give a half a point out of the kindness of your heart. you claim this is a great guy, if so, he'll offer to pay half. if not...hes not all that great and id stop using him. most con-artists seem like great people.

right on mo!

[MoneySportsGuy]

interesting how this has difference of opinions on this topic, normally you get alot of one side opinions but I am enjoying hearing both sides of what people think on this.

[DaveRabbit]

Out of sheer kindness I wouldn't have done it, if the guy is a profitable out and it was in my interest to then maybe I would, and only if I knew he would recognize the gesture.

Sometimes you got to take hits to maintain working relations, sometimes its not worth it.

[SBR_John]

You have to pay it. You can mention to him that he owes you one but you cant go indian-giving a favor and when it works against you take it back.

[mofome]

right on mo!

[Willie Bee]

Sounds like you really need to quit playing with a bookie you have sentimental feelings for. How often does he change totals, spreads or debts owed when his customers whine about a tough break?

Actually, your story is only sad if you allow it to happen again.

[raiders72002]

Sounds like you really need to quit playing with a bookie you have sentimental feelin

BBD

Interesting case here mavs1978.

Here you have a local that gives you a line and then crawdads on it, and tries to reset it on you. Then you being a nice guy agree to the new line.

You know what they say about nice guys... They finish last. What you should have just told him was "you shouldn't have laid it off", and end continued on with your business. You have to pay it. You can mention to him that he owes you one but you cant go indian-giving a favor and when it works against you take it back.

As far as who's fault it is and how it should be settled is that you split it in half and move on.

good post but the book isn't going to agree to split it nor should he.


SBRJohn

You have to pay it. You can mention to him that he owes you one but you cant go indian-giving a favor and when it works against you take it back.

Bingo- You can't cry now.



Willie

Sounds like you really need to quit playing with a bookie you have sentimental feelings for. How often does he change totals, spreads or debts owed when his customers whine about a tough break?

Actually, your story is only sad if you allow it to happen again.

agree - Unless 3 dimes doesn't matter to you at all then you have to look at these bets as a business. You made a bad business decision. Don't do it again.

[mavs1978]

GUYS.. im definetly paying out the 3300.. thats not the question.. i agreed to the new line..

i was just wondering what you guys thought about the jesture in general? would you guys have been as nice as i was?

[RageWizard]

Gee I don't know, you gave him the hook. I'm guessing that the final was exactly 188 or you won't care either way. Has he ever given you the hook on a number that you didn't like? If not maybe you should ask for one when you think it is prudent like a football game at 3.5 down to 3.

[The Seer]

GUYS.. im definetly paying out the 3300.. thats not the question.. i agreed to the new line..

i was just wondering what you guys thought about the jesture in general? would you guys have been as nice as i was?

Hell no. Don't ever let anyone take advantage of you. They'll think they can do it everytime and it'll be ok. Friend or not, I would have said no way. Business is business. I'd have told him that I'd just get it somewhere else, no hard feelings. Don't do business with friends and vice versa. You should never be friends with your bookie= bad business. It should be cut and dried, black and white with no grey area.

[Panic]

Pay the man, but after that I would definately tell him, Don't mistake my kindess for weakness.

[SBR Lou]

Pay the man, but after that I would definately tell him, Don't mistake my kindess for weakness.

What else can you mistake it for? As others have said, if you place a bet with him, do not allow him to then later make you change your bet in his favor. Sometimes I'm a softie when it comes to dealing with sales people, they sense I may be willing to give on something and go for the kill.

But when it comes to matters of gambling, don't be manipulated. Just consider it a lesson and next time book the bet elsewhere or tell him alright, if you're not going to honor the original bet then just forget it and move on.

[CAPN CRUNCH]

Anybody who books a bet is responsible for that bet, that simple. If the line moves it has no bearing on your bet. If that line had gone to 185, that would have been in his favor and his right to lay off at that number and collect. Likewise, when it goes the other way it is his responsibility. You should not be playing with someone whom you have to worry about what number they get to lay off. That being said, I respect you immensely for honoring your commitment no matter how much any of us think it was wrong to do. You are a good man.

[Panic]

What else can you mistake it for? As others have said, if you place a bet with him, do not allow him to then later make you change your bet in his favor. Sometimes I'm a softie when it comes to dealing with sales people, they sense I may be willing to give on something and go for the kill.

But when it comes to matters of gambling, don't be manipulated. Just consider it a lesson and next time book the bet elsewhere or tell him alright, if you're not going to honor the original bet then just forget it and move on.

Exactly. That was point. It sounds to me as if his book thinks he can change the lines on him and he won't say a word. That's why I would tell him, "go **** yourself".

I like what one of the earlier posters asked when he was wondering if this guy never called him back to lay more action down, would the book have ever called him and told him the line changed?

[bigboydan]

BBD
good post but the book isn't going to agree to split it nor should he.

I've seen it happen before Raiders, however it does depend on what the weekly figure ends up at though.

[teazeman]

I respect what you did as i've done it in the past, sounds like you don't have a me vs book attitude which is good as it can get in the way of a positive relationship that's bound to help you out down the road. I'm certain he'll eat part of the loss as he should and if in the future he makes such a request i would have that understanding going in.

[sofos]

You did not have to agree to the 188.5. You did because you apparently thought the half point would not matter. He thought it could matter. He was right. Pay the guy. Make sure you learned something.

[MoneySportsGuy]

Hell no. Don't ever let anyone take advantage of you. They'll think they can do it everytime and it'll be ok. Friend or not, I would have said no way. Business is business. I'd have told him that I'd just get it somewhere else, no hard feelings. Don't do business with friends and vice versa. You should never be friends with your bookie= bad business. It should be cut and dried, black and white with no grey area.

[treece]

man, you have to be a stupid mf to be giving back a point for free. nice guys finish last or are out 3 dimes.

[20Four7]

GUYS.. im definetly paying out the 3300.. thats not the question.. i agreed to the new line..

i was just wondering what you guys thought about the jesture in general? would you guys have been as nice as i was?

He gave you a line and you get it. Betting isn't about being nice. I wouldn't have agreed to the new line but that's just me. I've lost enough games by a half point to know a half point is money.

[mavs1978]

after reading everyones thoughtful response(thanks) ive decided that i definetly screwed up(obviously).. and the nice guys finish last is so true... as fate would have it i have been in a tailspin every since

arkansas -6.5 on thur (win by 6)
under clev tonight (overtime)

i need some breaks and giving up free hooks is no way to do it

[rugbybdyb]

just a bad break, If things start moving or my bookie who is a friend says he cant cover the way as original I just have him call off the bet.