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  • 5 star bomb
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    #1
    Orioles asking too much for Roberts IMO...
    Saw this article in the Chicago Tribune....


    Looking like a high price for Roberts


    By Phil Rogers

    On hold over much of the last month, the Brian Roberts talks are on again between the Cubs and Baltimore Orioles. This deal is almost certainly going to happen -- the only question is when and how much it is going to cost the Cubs.

    The feeling among major league executives is soon, and a lot. Don't be surprised if the trade is finalized later this week -- perhaps even Wednesday -- and the deal includes pitchers Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher and Ronny Cedeno.

    Roberts, one of maybe 10 legitimate leadoff hitters in the big leagues, is a valuable commodity. That's why the Orioles have been insisting the Cubs sweeten their offer from the one made at the winter meetings in Nashville -- believed to be built around Gallagher and outfielder Matt Murton. The addition of Marshall into the package would make it easier for Andy MacPhail to pull off the deal that has been occupying the majority of his time in rebuilding the Orioles -- trading lefty Erik Bedard (most likely to Seattle) for a package of young talent.

    With Ryan Dempster moving to the starting rotation, the Cubs can arguably afford to give up on Marshall, who compiled an impressive 3.92 ERA in 103 innings last season. But having already non-tendered Mark Prior and expressed a willingness to include Gallagher in this deal, the addition of Marshall to the package would further erode the depth of starting pitching in the system.

    Jason Marquis and Dempster project as the most likely 4-5 starters for Lou Piniella. If Marshall and Gallagher were both traded to Baltimore, the cast behind them would be headed by Kevin Hart, the fragile Angel Guzman and unproven prospects Donald Veal, Jeff Samardzija, Adam Harben and Jose Ascanio. There are still some serviceable free-agent pitchers on the market, including Josh Fogg, Livan Hernandez, Bartolo Colon, Kyle Lohse and Jason Jennings.

    If the Cubs get Roberts (.377 on-base percentage and 50 stolen bases last season), Piniella will shuffle the batting order, likely dropping Alfonso Soriano from first to third. It could look like this: Roberts, Ryan Theriot, Soriano, Aramis Ramirez, Kosuke Fukudome, Derrek Lee, Geovany Soto and Felix Pie. Because of Fukudome's penchant for getting on base, he could hit as high as second, although that would leave the right-handed-hitting Soriano, Lee and Ramirez hitting next to each other.

    The presence of both Roberts and Fukudome would make it uncertain how to use Mark DeRosa, who was third on the team with 72 RBIs last season (two more than Soriano). He most likely would be groomed as a super sub at every position, including shortstop and center field. It would also be possible to look at Roberts at shortstop in spring training -- he hasn't played there much since his rookie season in 2001 -- with the possibility of DeRosa remaining the second baseman and Theriot becoming the top sub.
  • pavyracer
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    #2
    I heard that they also throw in the trade a two year supply of steroids with all expenses paid. You can't beat that!
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    • mofome
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      #3
      The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers believes a deal sending Brian Roberts to the Cubs is "almost certainly going to happen."

      Rogers believes the current deal includes Sean Marshall, along with Sean Gallagher and Ronny Cedeno. If that's the case, it's a pretty good package for a second baseman with two years left on his deal, and it'd make it easier for the Orioles to send Erik Bedard to Seattle without getting Brandon Morrow in return. The Cubs would be giving up a large chunk of their pitching depth, so they might have to add another veteran to battle Ryan Dempster and Jason Marquis for a rotation spot. Kevin Hart would be their primary insurance with both Marshall and Gallagher gone.
      Source: Chicago Tribune




      im not a big marshall fan.
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      • 5 star bomb
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        #4
        I totally disagree with his lineup though Derek Lee hitting 6th? HAHAHAHAHA, here is what the lineup would really look like if this trade goes down....

        1. Roberts
        2. Theriot
        3. Lee
        4. Ramirez
        5. Soriano
        6. Fukudome
        7. Soto
        8. Pie/Fuld

        Derosa would be the super sub being able to play every spot on the field
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        • 5 star bomb
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          #5
          Originally posted by pavyracer
          I heard that they also throw in the trade a two year supply of steroids with all expenses paid. You can't beat that!







          I hope so! If we give up all of this we better be getting the best of Brian Roberts! Thats all I got to say about that...


          MOFO - Marshall is legit
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          • mofome
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            #6
            old Sean Gallagher article

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            • pavyracer
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              #7
              Originally posted by 5 star bomb





              I hope so! If we give up all of this we better be getting the best of Brian Roberts! Thats all I got to say about that...


              MOFO - Marshall is legit
              Hey, I'm not a baseball guru but is Fukudome a new guy. Never heard of him but the name sounds familiar.
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              • mofome
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                #8
                Originally posted by 5 star bomb

                MOFO - Marshall is legit



                soft tossing lefty?
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                • mofome
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                  #9
                  Anita Marks just said- "I spoke with BRob earlier and he doesn't think anything has been finalized yet"


                  sports lady in the baltimore/dc area. something is about to be done, thats for sure.
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                  • 5 star bomb
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mofome
                    soft tossing lefty?


                    So you have to throw 95 mph heat to be a successful pitcher in the majors?


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                    • 5 star bomb
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mofome
                      Anita Marks just said- "I spoke with BRob earlier and he doesn't think anything has been finalized yet"


                      sports lady in the baltimore/dc area. something is about to be done, thats for sure.

                      Listening to WSCR in Chicago Steve Stone was just on they are trying to find out if anything is true or not. I know for a fact Hendry would like to get this done before the Cubs Convention next wknd. He loves to make a deal right before the convention for PR
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                      • Willie Bee
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                        Hey, I'm not a baseball guru but is Fukudome a new guy. Never heard of him but the name sounds familiar.
                        One of this winter's imports from the Land of the Rising Sun LINK

                        I'm surprised someone hasn't already inked Jennings to an incentive laden deal with a second year option on it. Still wish Houston would've offered the guy arbitration. The rumor mill has it he didn't want to return there, so it probably would have been a low-risk arbitration offer that would have netted the Astros at least a draft pick in return.
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                        • mofome
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                          #13
                          Note: Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail said today that trade talks with several teams are ongoing, but he's not at the point of accepting any deals.


                          baltimore sun

                          5:40pm
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                          • mofome
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                            #14
                            the latest:

                            wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogca tegory&id=120&Itemid=236

                            "Next up on the trade front is All Star second baseman Brian Roberts and standout starting pitcher Erik Bedard. The Cubs are hot to trot for Roberts who would fit perfectly at the top of their order but contrary to what is being reported in Baltimore, the price is very high. Several sources have reported that O's President Andy MacPhail is looking for pitchers Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher plus minor league shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others. Sources also tell me that GM Jim Hendry will not part with Hill in any deal and while he is willing to pay a high price, he is not willing to bankrupt his system of elite prospects."
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                            • 5 star bomb
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mofome
                              the latest:

                              wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogca tegory&id=120&Itemid=236

                              "Next up on the trade front is All Star second baseman Brian Roberts and standout starting pitcher Erik Bedard. The Cubs are hot to trot for Roberts who would fit perfectly at the top of their order but contrary to what is being reported in Baltimore, the price is very high. Several sources have reported that O's President Andy MacPhail is looking for pitchers Sean Marshall and Sean Gallagher plus minor league shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Great sources have told me that the price for Roberts is much higher than that. Names that the Orioles are reportedly asking for include Rich Hill and several much more highly regarded players that could include Felix Pie, minor league standout outfielder Tyler Colvin, and others. Sources also tell me that GM Jim Hendry will not part with Hill in any deal and while he is willing to pay a high price, he is not willing to bankrupt his system of elite prospects."


                              HAHAHAHAHA, they want Rich Hill?!?! Hilarious, MacPhail your not getting Rich Hill for Roberts,so dont even think about it. I wouldnt trade Hill for Roberts straight up
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                              • mofome
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                HAHAHAHAHA, they want Rich Hill?!?! Hilarious, MacPhail your not getting Rich Hill for Roberts,so dont even think about it. I wouldnt trade Hill for Roberts straight up

                                Pie/Colvin for Roberts/low level Prospect.


                                lets get it done.
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                                • 5 star bomb
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by mofome
                                  Pie/Colvin for Roberts/low level Prospect.


                                  lets get it done.

                                  I doubt Hendry would pull trigger on that trade, not bad though. Colvin has been tearing the cover off the ball but he cant take a damn Walk
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                                  • mofome
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                    I doubt Hendry would pull trigger on that trade, not bad though. Colvin has been tearing the cover off the ball but he cant take a damn Walk


                                    your lineup would be the best in the nl, you have to give to get. roberts is a great player that can steal and has some power. he completes your lineup and allows you to move soriano down, thats worth more than marshal and cedeno. those arent al east players.
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                                    • 5 star bomb
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mofome
                                      your lineup would be the best in the nl, you have to give to get. roberts is a great player that can steal and has some power. he completes your lineup and allows you to move soriano down, thats worth more than marshal and cedeno. those arent al east players.

                                      If Cedeno ever puts it together he will be an all star SS I have no doubts about that. As for Marshall he is a quality #3 sp if given the chance. Hes very young and has good stuff. Lets not make Roberts out to be the best 2b in the game. He is good but also has steroid reports on him which whether Balt likes it or not it has to lower his value just a little bit. They need to rebuild and get some pitching take Marshall im telling you he is quality
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                                      • mofome
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                        If Cedeno ever puts it together he will be an all star SS I have no doubts about that. As for Marshall he is a quality #3 sp if given the chance. Hes very young and has good stuff. Lets not make Roberts out to be the best 2b in the game. He is good but also has steroid reports on him which whether Balt likes it or not it has to lower his value just a little bit. They need to rebuild and get some pitching take Marshall im telling you he is quality


                                        marshall isnt an AL east pitcher to me. Roberts is one of the best couple 2Bs in the game. 10+ hr, 50 sb, doesnt get thrown out, good defense, 40+ doubles, switch hitter. please...marshall aint cuttin it. Pie/Colvin for me. as for cedneno, he'll soon be 25 and hasnt shown any power or the ability to steal bases. im guessing he wont beat out jeter or guillen for an AS spot any time soon.
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                                        • 5 star bomb
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by mofome
                                          marshall isnt an AL east pitcher to me. Roberts is one of the best couple 2Bs in the game. 10+ hr, 50 sb, doesnt get thrown out, good defense, 40+ doubles, switch hitter. please...marshall aint cuttin it. Pie/Colvin for me. as for cedneno, he'll soon be 25 and hasnt shown any power or the ability to steal bases. im guessing he wont beat out jeter or guillen for an AS spot any time soon.

                                          Your right he wont beat out Guillen at SS for an all star spot because thats not Guillen's position. Pie might be a bust just to let you know...
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                                          • mofome
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                            Your right he wont beat out Guillen at SS for an all star spot because thats not Guillen's position. Pie might be a bust just to let you know...




                                            Pie may be a bust, yeah, well every prospect may be a bust. ive got more faith in the 22 year old that seems to be just as far along, as a bat, as the 24 year old. marshall didnt have much of a k rate at any level in the minors, i dont know that his stuff will shut down the yanks or bosox for 6+ innings. if you're giving away an all-star type mlb hitter, you have to get something more than some mid level kinda guys. a possible #4 starter? eh.

                                            cedeno also may not beat out lugo. one will be in the majors and one will be on the bus.
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                                            • 5 star bomb
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by mofome
                                              Pie may be a bust, yeah, well every prospect may be a bust. ive got more faith in the 22 year old that seems to be just as far along, as a bat, as the 24 year old. marshall didnt have much of a k rate at any level in the minors, i dont know that his stuff will shut down the yanks or bosox for 6+ innings. if you're giving away an all-star type mlb hitter, you have to get something more than some mid level kinda guys. a possible #4 starter? eh.

                                              cedeno also may not beat out lugo. one will be in the majors and one will be on the bus.

                                              The Tigers got Renteria so hes their SS now not Guillen... Cedeno has ripped apart the minors just hasnt gotten it together in the big leagues yet. Same with Pie there basically in the same position. They both play very good defense above average at the mlb level especially Pie but they need to hit at this level. I keep thinking Pie is the next Corey Patterson bust. The all star hitter were trying to get also admitted to using steroids and whether Macphail likes it or not that hurts his value
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                                              • mofome
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                                The Tigers got Renteria so hes their SS now not Guillen... Cedeno has ripped apart the minors just hasnt gotten it together in the big leagues yet. Same with Pie there basically in the same position. They both play very good defense above average at the mlb level especially Pie but they need to hit at this level. I keep thinking Pie is the next Corey Patterson bust. The all star hitter were trying to get also admitted to using steroids and whether Macphail likes it or not that hurts his value

                                                yes, i realize that, i didnt reply with more about guillen, i went on to lugo. i was replying too quickly to too many things.


                                                as for pie, cedeno, one is 2 years younger than the other. a guy thats 24 should be further along than a guy whos 22. i also think pie how more potential with power than cedeno...2 years ago i was big on the guy, and hes ripped up AAA, but when ive watched him play i havent seen any sparks.
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                                                • 5 star bomb
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by mofome
                                                  yes, i realize that, i didnt reply with more about guillen, i went on to lugo. i was replying too quickly to too many things.


                                                  as for pie, cedeno, one is 2 years younger than the other. a guy thats 24 should be further along than a guy whos 22. i also think pie how more potential with power than cedeno...2 years ago i was big on the guy, and hes ripped up AAA, but when ive watched him play i havent seen any sparks.

                                                  Yeah both cedeno and pie have let me down a bit but i love the way Cedeno plays. He plays with a ton of energy and you can tell he really works hard especially from what I have heard and read about him. I dont know only time will tell but im just saying Pie could very well be a bust. He has a huge hole in his swing
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                                                  • mofome
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by 5 star bomb
                                                    Yeah both cedeno and pie have let me down a bit but i love the way Cedeno plays. He plays with a ton of energy and you can tell he really works hard especially from what I have heard and read about him. I dont know only time will tell but im just saying Pie could very well be a bust. He has a huge hole in his swing
                                                    i just want the os to get one guy with top end potential. tejada didnt bring it back, roberts and/or bedard def should. well, bedard should bring back more than 1 top end prospect.
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