Here is our final AP poll

[mofome]

1. LSU
2. Georgia
3. USC
4. Missouri
5. Ohio St.
6. West Virginia
7. Kansas
8. Oklahoma
9. Virginia Tech
10. Boston College
10. Texas
12. Tennessee
13. Florida
14. BYU
15. Auburn
16. Arizona State
17. Cincinnati
18. Michigan
19. Hawaii
20. Illinois
21. Clemson
22. Texas Tech
23. Oregon
24. Wisconsin
25. Oregon State


SEC- 5 (of the top 15)
Big 12- 5
Pac 10- 4
Big Ten- 4
ACC- 3
Big East- 2

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10564126/2

[tblues2005]

just about right. Good Job.

[Razz]

How in the mother****ing hell is Florida #13 and Illinois #20? Ranked #12 before the bowls, Florida has a +4 TO margin and can't beat an unranked team at home and only falls to #13? Ranked #13 before the bowls, Illinois plays at one of the best teams in the country, has a -6 TO margin (including a fumble inside the five late in the third quarter that would have made it a 4 point game) to lose by 32, and falls all the way to #20.

I realize it's irrelevant, and I'm not affiliated with either school, but this is preposterous.

[mofome]

How in the mother****ing hell is Florida #13 and Illinois #20? Ranked #12 before the bowls, Florida has a +4 TO margin and can't beat an unranked team at home and only falls to #13? Ranked #13 before the bowls, Illinois plays at one of the best teams in the country, has a -6 TO margin (including a fumble inside the five late in the third quarter that would have made it a 4 point game) to lose by 32, and falls all the way to #20.

I realize it's irrelevant, and I'm not affiliated with either school, but this is preposterous.

one team lost by 32, the other had a chance to win in the end, and your argument is that the team that lost by 32 showed better? with 5 minutes left Florida was beating Michigan. With 5 minutes left Illinois was losing 49-10 to USC. illinois being ranked is fine i guess, they didnt belong anywhere near the BCS to begin with.

[guitarjosh]

Why is Florida ahead of Michigan?

The sad thing is that if the BCS would have let Georgia and USC play, the winner would probably have the AP trophy.

[mofome]

Why is Florida ahead of Michigan?

The sad thing is that if the BCS would have let Georgia and USC play, the winner would probably have the AP trophy.

the BCS is one of the worst things in sports. 100 years from today, people will be laughing at what we have had to live through.

[isetcap]

BCS is truly the best analogy to the period in history commonly referred to as the Middle Ages.

[Razz]

one team lost by 32, the other had a chance to win in the end, and your argument is that the team that lost by 32 showed better? with 5 minutes left Florida was beating Michigan. With 5 minutes left Illinois was losing 49-10 to USC. illinois being ranked is fine i guess, they didnt belong anywhere near the BCS to begin with.

No, neither performed well. That is quite obvious. But the teams can't go from one spot different in the rankings to seven spots different. That's my contention. I don't care if Florida would be a spot or two ahead of Illinois. The teams would be very evenly matched. But 7 is absurd.

Florida got every imaginable break and missed covering by 17 points. Illinois got no breaks and missed covering by 18 points.

I've been watching college football for 15-20 years, and I honestly can't remember a time when a highly ranked team had a +4 TO margin and lost to an unranked team. I can't remember an 11 point favorite having a +4 TO margin and losing. Add in that it was basically a home game and it was a total embarrassment.

Illinois gets boned out of what should have been a defensive touchdown on SC's first drive, turns it over repeatedly, and still is within a fumble at the SC 3 of making it 21-17 late in the third quarter. After the fumble, yes, their spirit was crushed and they basically mailed it in. But still, as a 14-point dog in the Coliseum, they put up 445 yards against an elite defense.

[guitarjosh]

BCS is truly the best analogy to the period in history commonly referred to as the Middle Ages.

The Middle Ages, also known as the Dark Ages.

[mofome]

No, neither performed well. That is quite obvious. But the teams can't go from one spot different in the rankings to seven spots different.

Florida got every imaginable break and missed covering by 17 points. Illinois got no breaks and missed covering by 18 points.

I've been watching college football for 15-20 years, and I honestly can't remember a time when a highly ranked team had a +4 TO margin and lost to an unranked team. I can't remember an 11 point favorite having a +4 TO margin and losing. Add in that it was basically a home game and it was a total embarrassment.

Illinois gets boned out of what should have been a defensive touchdown on SC's first drive, turns it over repeatedly, and still is within a fumble at the SC 3 of making it 21-17 late in the third quarter. After the fumble, yes, their spirit was crushed and they basically mailed it in. But still, as a 14-point dog in the Coliseum, they put up 445 yards against an elite defense.

i wouldnt say illinois got no breaks. their first pic got them to the USC 10, or so, and that came b/c the USC wideout fell down. usc certainly got their fair share of breaks, but they also played some sloppy football for a portion of the 2nd/3rd quarters. i put a lot of the illinois loss on how locksley called the game early, the run wasnt working and he wouldnt give the passing game a chance. USC pulls at the ball and i give credit to them for ripping the balls out that they did. the play before that fumble inside the USC redzone, illinois actually fumbled a snap that they were lucky to get back. illinois made some huge plays and ended up with some nice offensive stats, but they also gave up over 630 yards to an offense that was without their #1 wr and playing a lot of true freshman.

[guitarjosh]

No, neither performed well. That is quite obvious. But the teams can't go from one spot different in the rankings to seven spots different. That's my contention. I don't care if Florida would be a spot or two ahead of Illinois. The teams would be very evenly matched. But 7 is absurd.

Florida got every imaginable break and missed covering by 17 points. Illinois got no breaks and missed covering by 18 points.

I've been watching college football for 15-20 years, and I honestly can't remember a time when a highly ranked team had a +4 TO margin and lost to an unranked team. I can't remember an 11 point favorite having a +4 TO margin and losing. Add in that it was basically a home game and it was a total embarrassment.

Illinois gets boned out of what should have been a defensive touchdown on SC's first drive, turns it over repeatedly, and still is within a fumble at the SC 3 of making it 21-17 late in the third quarter. After the fumble, yes, their spirit was crushed and they basically mailed it in. But still, as a 14-point dog in the Coliseum, they put up 445 yards against an elite defense.

They did, but over half of those yards came in the 4th quarter after USC pulled their starters, and on 1 play in the 3rd quarter.

[mofome]

Coaches poll

1. LSU (60) 12-2 1,500 2
2. Southern California 11-2 1,380 6
3. Georgia 11-2 1,370 4
4. Ohio State 11-2 1,287 1
5. Missouri 12-2 1,241 7
6. West Virginia 11-2 1,239 9
7. Kansas 12-1 1,217 8
8. Oklahoma 11-3 1,016 3
9. Virginia Tech 11-3 979 5
10. Texas 10-3 924 17
11. Boston College 11-3 898 14
12. Tennessee 10-4 826 18
13. Arizona State 10-3 635 11
14t. Auburn 9-4 624 21
14t. Brigham Young 11-2 624 19
16. Florida 9-4 567 12
17. Hawaii 12-1 427 10
18. Illinois 9-4 416 13
19. Michigan 9-4 413 NR
20. Cincinnati 10-3 376 23
21. Wisconsin 9-4 333 15
22. Clemson 9-4 319 16
23. Texas Tech 9-4 242 NR
24. Oregon 9-4 192 NR
25. Penn State 9-4 127 NR

[CHALKbreaker]

Love how it all comes back to LSU and USC as #1 and 2, JUST as it was in pre season polls, and for about the 1st 6 weeks of the regular season. OF COURSE you never get to see the best two teams play!

THANK YOU BCS!

[guitarjosh]

Florida still ahead of Michigan...

[pokernut9999]

Oklahoma beats Missouri twice yet Missouri is the higher ranked team LOL

[raydog]

Oklahoma beats Missouri twice yet Missouri is the higher ranked team LOL

goofy season. ou beats mizzu, mizzu destroys tt, tt beats ou and the ou beats mizzu again. who can figure it out??? im just so thankful that florida lost to michigan and shut up a ton of homers who thought fla. was one of the top 5 teams. it made my bowl season

[bbyhill]

Oklahoma beats Missouri twice yet Missouri is the higher ranked team LOL

and Oklahoma is big 12 champs so how can they be behind Kansas

[Willie Bee]

the BCS is one of the worst things in sports. 100 years from today, people will be laughing at what we have had to live through.

I disagree. It's not a perfect system, but it is better than we had before the BCS when conferences were tied into certain bowl games and it was the odds were far greater that you'd have one poll or another's No. 1 matched against its No. 2. And unless you're only going to take conference winners into a playoff system, you're still going to need some sort of poll to rank teams and take the best eight or however many are in the playoffs.

As I've said all along, once someone can come up with a plan to get every college to conference up, make a more equitable and balanced regular season schedule and devise the 'perfect poll' to either take the top eight consensus teams or just take the conference winners, I'll get on board a playoff system. Until then, I'll live with the BCS and be happy with it.

[SBR_John]

Always going to be some rankings that dont make sense. Pretty good poll but West Va should be above Ohio St.

[mofome]

I disagree. It's not a perfect system, but it is better than we had before the BCS when conferences were tied into certain bowl games and it was the odds were far greater that you'd have one poll or another's No. 1 matched against its No. 2. And unless you're only going to take conference winners into a playoff system, you're still going to need some sort of poll to rank teams and take the best eight or however many are in the playoffs.

As I've said all along, once someone can come up with a plan to get every college to conference up, make a more equitable and balanced regular season schedule and devise the 'perfect poll' to either take the top eight consensus teams or just take the conference winners, I'll get on board a playoff system. Until then, I'll live with the BCS and be happy with it.

our current system is better than our old system, but thats like saying, calling someone a homo is better than calling them a f-ggot. yeah, its better.

[CAPN CRUNCH]

our current system is better than our old system, but thats like saying, calling someone a homo is better than calling them a f-ggot. yeah, its better.

Both pale in comparison to being called a Republican!

P.S. I am watching 'Legends of the Fall' and thought of you Mo!

[mofome]

Both pale in comparison to being called a Republican!

P.S. I am watching 'Legends of the Fall' and thought of you Mo!

is this the real capn crunch? thats a pretty well repspected posting name by the guys i respect the most. if so...




haha great movie man!! a republican

[zerocage]

stupid love affair with Florida and the SEC .......

[zerocage]

Hawaii is not a top 25 team either.

[CAPN CRUNCH]

is this the real capn crunch? thats a pretty well repspected posting name by the guys i respect the most. if so...




haha great movie man!! a republican

If it ain't me, it's a pretty good facsimile for a big fat motherloving Brave from Potomac!

Glad to see you are here Mo...........Good Luck and God Bless You.

[Willie Bee]

our current system is better than our old system, but thats like saying, calling someone a homo is better than calling them a f-ggot. yeah, its better.

Well I'm not sure I either understand or agree with that analogy, but I guess your point is the current system is better, but still not good enough for your liking.

So what is your solution? If it was left up to just you, how would you lay out a playoff system? How many teams would be in the mix and how would you determine those teams got in? Do you feel there should be some tweaking to the way schedules are made in order to try and get every team on a more level playing field to start with? Do you think every school should 'conference up?'

[mofome]

Well I'm not sure I either understand or agree with that analogy, but I guess your point is the current system is better, but still not good enough for your liking.

So what is your solution? If it was left up to just you, how would you lay out a playoff system? How many teams would be in the mix and how would you determine those teams got in? Do you feel there should be some tweaking to the way schedules are made in order to try and get every team on a more level playing field to start with? Do you think every school should 'conference up?'

you understand it well. i didnt put a lot of thought into the analogy because i dont think this topic is one worthy of much debate. the bcs, imo, is a complete waste. there is no way that lsu or osu should have been playing for a title last night. no team in the country deserved to be one win away from a title.

changes? for starters, there should be no 'polls' released until week 3 at the earliest. pre season polls are a joke for many reasons.

let me ask you this, there are how many major sports? how many of those leagues are sitting around saying, 'wow, this playoff crap just isn't working, we need something like what div 1 college football has'.

[Willie Bee]

let me ask you this, there are how many major sports? how many of those leagues are sitting around saying, 'wow, this playoff crap just isn't working, we need something like what div 1 college football has'.

Good point, and my answer would be none that I know of.

I still don't think that the BCS is a complete waste, and maybe that's something we can discuss next week over a cold one or three

But for now, which teams deserved to be two wins or three wins away from playing for the glass pigskin? Would you only allow conference champs? If not, wouldn't you still need some sort of 'consensus poll,' a la the BCS, to determine which four, eight, 16, 32 teams made the playoffs?

[pavyracer]

I have a solution to the current system. Crown as champion the winner of the SEC championship game and then let the others play in the BCS for positions 2-12.

In this way noone will be arguing for a chance to beat the SEC champions each year.

[mofome]

Good point, and my answer would be none that I know of.

I still don't think that the BCS is a complete waste, and maybe that's something we can discuss next week over a cold one or three

But for now, which teams deserved to be two wins or three wins away from playing for the glass pigskin? Would you only allow conference champs? If not, wouldn't you still need some sort of 'consensus poll,' a la the BCS, to determine which four, eight, 16, 32 teams made the playoffs?

the bcs poll is one thing, the system is another. i like the poll, not too much power placed in the hands of any individual entity. i think the BCS top 8 would represent enough teams that deserve a shot.
some changes:
-no pre season polls
-every major conference has a championship game
-bcs top 8/12 gets in
-SOS must be in the top 80 to be considered.
-the coaches poll is monitored somehow. some of these coaches (stoops) displayed little class when releasing their final rankings.

those are a few things off hand. ive never put a lot of thought into a new system because it seems that hoping for change is a waste of time.

a cold one or 12. yes indeed.

[Willie Bee]

The only 'system' is that the BCS Title game matches the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in their final game. After that the bowls are basically in a draft for who they get in the other four BCS bowl games.

There also isn't a preseason BCS poll. The first one this year wasn't until mid-October, when just about every team had six to seven games under their belts. It's going to be tough, indeed impossible, for the NCAA to tell the AP that they can't have a poll or can't release a poll until such-&-such time. Now they might be able to put pressure on the ESPN-USA Today Coaches Poll, but they'll have no leverage with the AP or any other group that wants to release its rankings.

[mofome]

The only 'system' is that the BCS Title game matches the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in their final game. After that the bowls are basically in a draft for who they get in the other four BCS bowl games.

There also isn't a preseason BCS poll. The first one this year wasn't until mid-October, when just about every team had six to seven games under their belts. It's going to be tough, indeed impossible, for the NCAA to tell the AP that they can't have a poll or can't release a poll until such-&-such time. Now they might be able to put pressure on the ESPN-USA Today Coaches Poll, but they'll have no leverage with the AP or any other group that wants to release its rankings.

yes, but the preseason polls play a factor in the ap and coaches polls all year round. those, in turn, play a factor in the final bcs. as you know, these things can come down to a fraction of a point and its a mistake to allow someones preseason rankings effect their bcs status. look no further than auburn, my friend.
pre season polls should not exist. if they are going to have them, eliminate those sources when coming up with your title game. there is no great way to do it without a playoff, but there are some ways to improve this system as it is. imo.

[Willie Bee]

Well the AP is no longer a factor in the BCS and the NCAA is not going to be able to tell the AP it can't publish preseason polls on account of undue influence on its coaches poll. And if you tell ESPN and USA Today the coaches poll won't be published until Week 4 or whenever, you can bet a dollar to a doughnut that both ESPN and USA Today will just come out with their own power rankings.

I do agree with you that too many people, including those voting in the coaches poll, let preseason ranking influence their rankings, especially early on. But getting rid of preseason polls is far down my list of things that need fixin' in order to setup a better system.

[eidolon]

How in the mother****ing hell is Florida #13 and Illinois #20? Ranked #12 before the bowls, Florida has a +4 TO margin and can't beat an unranked team at home and only falls to #13? Ranked #13 before the bowls, Illinois plays at one of the best teams in the country, has a -6 TO margin (including a fumble inside the five late in the third quarter that would have made it a 4 point game) to lose by 32, and falls all the way to #20.

I realize it's irrelevant, and I'm not affiliated with either school, but this is preposterous.

Note to self: Dont listen to Razz in the future for sports.

[mofome]

Well the AP is no longer a factor in the BCS and the NCAA is not going to be able to tell the AP it can't publish preseason polls on account of undue influence on its coaches poll. And if you tell ESPN and USA Today the coaches poll won't be published until Week 4 or whenever, you can bet a dollar to a doughnut that both ESPN and USA Today will just come out with their own power rankings.

I do agree with you that too many people, including those voting in the coaches poll, let preseason ranking influence their rankings, especially early on. But getting rid of preseason polls is far down my list of things that need fixin' in order to setup a better system.

yeah, well it was just one point, not something i care a great deal about. there is no way that a non-playoff system is worth a damn imo, i was just making some suggestions that id like to see moving forward with a playoff. i think the BCS is the worst system in any major sport, thats a problem to me. there is no need to complicate something that could be so simple, let the kids show what they've got on the field. in these bowl games there is, typically, one team that cares more than the othe, lets eliminate that with a playoff.
as for the final rankings, keep teams like hawaii out of it. if your schedule ranks 119th, then you have no say. i realize that their schedule currently ranks a lovely 117th, but thats only because UGA bumped them up a couple spots. how ridiculous is it to have the team with the worst schedule in the nation, playing in the bcs. 30+ teams would have been undefeated vs that schedule.