Racism

[robmpink]

I watched the special on Hurricane Katrina last night and it made me realize how many, many, many, many etc african americans are racist. It just made me sick. Everything is the whites fault. If there were honkeys there, the help would have came quicker. Blame the whites because you can't scrap $20 together to get the f out of dodge.

[Mikail]

You don't have to be white to be racist. The disease of racism has victims from every race.

[lyon804]

You don't have to be white to be racist. The disease of racism has victims from every race.

but it is only a problem associated with white people, right? Ok for the blacks to carry on as they please.

[Mikail]

but it is only a problem associated with white people, right? Ok for the blacks to carry on as they please.

Yes I do agree there are a lot of caucasian people with "white guilt" and therefore go out of their way to defend other races. Usually black people. Also I agree that White people are under the microscope as far as race while non whites are basically getting a pass.

[lyon804]

All this racist talk coming from you so callled 'white' people makes me just want to cry. BOOOHOOO!!!!! Cry me a fukkin river

[robmpink]

I don't know know if I'm a racist now. I never was. In highschool I was a wigger, college I toned it down and had 2 different african american roomies. My wife is Puerto Rican.

I guess what has chipped away at me has been isolated experiences w/ random african americans and their lack of care for anyone. I guess the same could be said about whites I encountured of late. I just hate the blame game. People have to understand, usually they hire the most qualified person. There are some exceptions to that. Sometimes being a minority can help. BTW, I just don't like the word "minority" that seems racist.

[Sunde91]

This thread is offensive, move it to PZ.

Why is it offensive? Because the state says so. They have this book that says what's offensive and what isn't.

[robmpink]

Bad breath offends me. I don't say anythng.

[lyon804]

I don't know know if I'm a racist now. I never was. In highschool I was a wigger, college I toned it down and had 2 different african american roomies. My wife is Puerto Rican.

I guess what has chipped away at me has been isolated experiences w/ random african americans and their lack of care for anyone. I guess the same could be said about whites I encountured of late. I just hate the blame game.

I am tired of people suffering over this issue.. It is what it is. Let's say you and your wife were driving around and had a flat tire and wound up in the "hood" the projects and had to get out after dark.. Would you be uncomfortable? Duh. At the same time you had this flat tire around a nice suberb would you be uncomfortable? Probably not so much. Is that racist? If so count me in.

[pavyracer]

There is a very thin line between racism and stupidity. Once the thin line breaks both will end up at the bottom of the lake.

[ngates815]

I hate those penny pinchers.

[gangster]

solution of racism is the solution of humanity

[Gee]

this PT sub forum reminds me of stormfront.

i might just stick to the normal handicapping sub-forums.

[robmpink]

I am tired of people suffering over this issue.. It is what it is. Let's say you and your wife were driving around and had a flat tire and wound up in the "hood" the projects and had to get out after dark.. Would you be uncomfortable? Duh. At the same time you had this flat tire around a nice suberb would you be uncomfortable? Probably not so much. Is that racist? If so count me in.

Huh? I don't know what you are alluding to. What am I suffering over? Personally, I wouldn't be driving through the hood to begin with so that situation wouldn't arise.

[hhsilver]

I watched the special on Hurricane Katrina last night and it made me realize how many, many, many, many etc african americans are racist. It just made me sick. Everything is the whites fault. If there were honkeys there, the help would have came quicker. Blame the whites because you can't scrap $20 together to get the f out of dodge.

Please don't generalize about Katrina. I am white, I have money, but for reasons I won't bore you with, my wife and I didn't "get out of dodge" and spent 5 full days in the Superdome.

Of course, I didn't see the coverage at the time, but from what i saw later, I can see why people think only poor blacks were caught in that mess. There were more whites there than the coverage would indicate. With the city being 70% black at the time there certainly was a high % of blacks there, but there were many whites also.

By the way, we never felt threatened or in danger because of the people there --- only by the fact that after 4 or so days, we began to wonder if we'd ever get out.

[robmpink]

Please don't generalize about Katrina. I am white, I have money, but for reasons I won't bore you with, my wife and I didn't "get out of dodge" and spent 5 full days in the Superdome.

Of course, I didn't see the coverage at the time, but from what i saw later, I can see why people think only poor blacks were caught in that mess. There were more whites there than the coverage would indicate. With the city being 70% black at the time there certainly was a high % of blacks there, but there were many whites also.

By the way, we never felt threatened or in danger because of the people there --- only by the fact that after 4 or so days, we began to wonder if we'd ever get out.

What would I generalize about? The whites shown on this show weren't saying if there were african american here we would be picked up. The fact of the matter was pick up was slow. I didn't see whites blaming african americans. I saw african americans blaming whites. Yes, I know the %, but it was a bit discouraging seeing the blames often. If you have a problem, send nat geo a letter.

BTW, I know the Superdome experience wasn't the best, but why would you feel threatened there?Do you think African Americans had an agenda to kill people there? I never pointed in that direction but you had to make this point clear. You didn't feel threatened there.

[lyon804]

Huh? I don't know what you are alluding to. What am I suffering over? Personally, I wouldn't be driving through the hood to begin with so that situation wouldn't arise.

I didn't mean you in general. I meant others. All that have a problem with the way things are.

[robmpink]

I didn't mean you in general. I meant others. All that have a problem with the way things are.

My bad. I agree things are the way they are and you have to adjust or just frustrate yourself more.

[lyon804]

Please don't generalize about Katrina. I am white, I have money, but for reasons I won't bore you with, my wife and I didn't "get out of dodge" and spent 5 full days in the Superdome.

Of course, I didn't see the coverage at the time, but from what i saw later, I can see why people think only poor blacks were caught in that mess. There were more whites there than the coverage would indicate. With the city being 70% black at the time there certainly was a high % of blacks there, but there were many whites also.

By the way, we never felt threatened or in danger because of the people there --- only by the fact that after 4 or so days, we began to wonder if we'd ever get out.

I personally would love to be bored with the reason's. Otherwise, without very good reason I would be scared to live in the same neighborhood as you out of fear of your ignorance.

[Mac4Lyfe]

What would I generalize about? The whites shown on this show weren't saying if there were african american here we would be picked up. The fact of the matter was pick up was slow. I didn't see whites blaming african americans. I saw african americans blaming whites. Yes, I know the %, but it was a bit discouraging seeing the blames often. If you have a problem, send nat geo a letter.

Huh??? All people of New Orleans was blaming the government for it's slow response. Since the majority were black you mainly saw more black people complaining. Believe me, white, asian, jewish, hispanic, etc., were all upset and blamed those supposedly in charge.

FEMA and the Red Cross both are totally incompetent from my experience. I could tell you some stories that would shock you on how stupid they do business. There lack of professionalism hurt everyone not just black people.

But the question is valid... Do you think the government would have been as slow to respond if the city was Boston for example? Most people I've talked to black and white tend to agree that because it was NOLA, the government took it's time. I don't think it was a race issue but more of an indifference issue. NOLA has had problems for many years but most people really didn't care.

[pavyracer]

I suppose when the big one hits Memphis and St.Louis we will find out how fast the government responds.

[robmpink]

Huh??? All people of New Orleans was blaming the government for it's slow response. Since the majority were black you mainly saw more black people complaining. Believe me, white, asian, jewish, hispanic, etc., were all upset and blamed those supposedly in charge.

FEMA and the Red Cross both are totally incompetent from my experience. I could tell you some stories that would shock you on how stupid they do business. There lack of professionalism hurt everyone not just black people.

But the question is valid... Do you think the government would have been as slow to respond if the city was Boston for example? Most people I've talked to black and white tend to agree that because it was NOLA, the government took it's time. I don't think it was a race issue but more of an indifference issue. NOLA has had problems for many years but most people really didn't care.

Me, no I don't think because it was NE it made any difference vs it was Boston. You are saying FEMA and the Red Cross are incompetent. Why would they be more cometent for Boston? So what exactly are you contesting w/ me? It was a slow response, I get it.

Do you think Asians, Whites, purple, red, blue were blaming the government about if african americans were there, they would have been picked up quicker? It is fine if all blame the government, but the majority of african americans I saw blamed the government because whites weren't there. That was the prime reason they weren't picked up.

[hhsilver]

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BTW, I know the Superdome experience wasn't the best, but why would you feel threatened there?Do you think African Americans had an agenda to kill people there? I never pointed in that direction but you had to make this point clear. You didn't feel threatened there.

No, I didn't say that based on what you said above and I didn't say it because I ever expected to feel threatened. I said it because there seems to be a general misconception about violence in the superdome during those days. There were many rumors, mostly untrue. Conditions were horrible and we all suffered together. Mostly we got along and tried to cope.

Again , saying that was not in direct response to anything you said - just info about one white couple's experience.

[pavyracer]

Government is incompetent. The whole evacuation should have been handled by the army. Put troops on the ground before the hurricane hits and evacuate by force. Anyone remember Saigon? Did you see how fast they evacuate everyone there? The military is the only disciplined unit that can handle national disasters effectively because of the expertise they possess.

[robmpink]

No, I didn't say that based on what you said above and I didn't say it because I ever expected to feel threatened. I said it because there seems to be a general misconception about violence in the superdome during those days. There were many rumors, mostly untrue. Conditions were horrible and we all suffered together. Mostly we got along and tried to cope.

Again , saying that was not in direct response to anything you said - just info about one white couple's experience.

HHS, I wasn't even bringing in the SD, rather what people stuck in the 5th, 9th ward said. I really can't imagine what you went through there. If I offended you, I apologize.

[whatsgood5]

What about reverse racism?

[itchypickle]

Everyone forgets about the Mississippi coast being destroyed in many areas. The coverage was slow to get there and once it did...didn;t last long because...the community rallied and helped clean the yards...rebuild houses...etc knowing not to lay up in FEMA trailers for 3 years waiting on tax payer funded crews to come in and help. Similar to the Ohio flood a couple of years ago...it was pretty bad but you saw neighborhoods putting up sand bags and BBQ grills setup to feed the volunteers..and they made it happen. It's amazing the productivity the American people can put forth without the help of the Govt. But...there is this thing called motivation and work ethic lacking in many these days.

[JohnGalt2341]

I am tired of people suffering over this issue.. It is what it is. Let's say you and your wife were driving around and had a flat tire and wound up in the "hood" the projects and had to get out after dark.. Would you be uncomfortable? Duh. At the same time you had this flat tire around a nice suberb would you be uncomfortable? Probably not so much. Is that racist? If so count me in.

Excellent point. Check out the first minute or so of this clip from the movie Grand Canyon. It's not quite what you described but it's pretty close. The "twist" is what makes it interesting. It's a good movie overall.

[stealthyburrito]

Government is incompetent. The whole evacuation should have been handled by the army. Put troops on the ground before the hurricane hits and evacuate by force. Anyone remember Saigon? Did you see how fast they evacuate everyone there? The military is the only disciplined unit that can handle national disasters effectively because of the expertise they possess.

they and about half the national guard were in that other hellhole iraq

[lyon804]

Excellent point. Check out the first minute or so of this clip from the movie Grand Canyon. It's not quite what you described but it's pretty close. The "twist" is what makes it interesting. It's a good movie overall.

Nice little flick preview John. Yeah, it is what it is. I have wound up in some places at times that were a little uncomfortable.. In my youth I had a job as a "financial representative" which in hindsight was more of a bill collecting job than a loan officer and I wound up in some scary places after dark. Had some hard stares at me but fortunately nobody came for me.

[wal66]

I have fought against racism since the first time I ventured into Players Talk. I have learned over the past 2 years though that there is a fine line between freedom of speech and blatant racism. Even more is a judgement call that basically depends on the interpretation of the moderator on duty.

I have lobbied more than once that a Set Standard be implimented but obviously no-one wants to get into what would be an acceptable standard or what exact legally would be accepted as a set standard.

Basically racism exist and will continue to exist. The blatant racism will be dealt with but the subliminal better disguised racism will continue. Some on form of editorials others masked in humor. It's a sad commentary on our society that in this day and time it still goes on.

You would think that at some point we as an evolved people could better accept people or not accept people based on their actions and not their color, religion or heritage. You would think that just because one guy of a specific ethnicity acts a fool it doesn't represent all in the group or just because one person reveals himslef to be an ignorant racist doesn't reflect on all others equally.

I guess the world in which I wish we lived in is more of a fantasy world but it would be a better day to wake up to.

[SoV]

Great post that. Absolutely spot on.

[Nicky Santoro]

Racism should not be allowed.

paver, you know why i laugh at that?? about 1 yr ago, when paco was still new, i will NEVER forget that post as long as i live.. you were so mad, you called him a PAKI.. lol.

you can't get more racist than that.. and now you are saying racism should not be allowed.. lol

how can you not love paver..

[Socrates]

freedom of speech IMO.

It's about respect. Respect others. Just because I have the freedom to say whatever the hell I want in public doesn't mean I'm going to walk up to some grandmother and call her a stupid cunt.

Racists in here talking about freedom of speech, on the internet. I would love to seem them try it out in the real world. Not going to happen because they have balls the size of pebbles.

To the keyboard crusader anti-racists, step off the cross. Like why do you care what people say on the INTERNET You want SBR to become PC world where no one will ever risk getting their feelings hurt Besides, the capping forums are restricted to their topic, as they should be; PT is a prescribed haven for banter and general discussion. The self-righteous act gets old, fast.

Easy for people to say, 'it's just the internet'. That's because they're not the ones being attacked. Easy to just look the other way.

There is no excuse for SBR. Every legit forum I've ever visited never allowed racism.

[3PtShooter]

think we need beantownjims thoughts on this