Cristian Act?

[wal66]

Christian Act?

Now I’ll admit I am not a Bible toting, testifying devout Christian but I was raised around the concept. My personal feelings on religion is, what ever gets you through your day, gives you hope and makes you be the best person you can be. That ideology is probably a wee bit naive but it works for me. I don’t expect others to subscribe to my beliefs but if they do then that’s cool.

I realize various religions have waged war since the beginning of time. I understand that each religion considers itself the “True Religion” and all others will come to judgment day and be in for a serious shocker but let’s set all that aside for a minute.

I understand the hostility towards Muslims in general before 9/11 and certainly after. I don’t personally agree that all Muslims are evil but I realize that people are people and hate is so easy to accept. I realize that just because I personally don’t think that all races, religions of groups of people are evil just because some are.

Sorry, this is getting off track, let me get back to the question I wanted to ask.

We have a church here in Gainesville that is planning a Koran burning this weekend. A CHURCH is planning a Koran burning and it's being promoted on radio stations, not only promoted but actually done so in a positive light.

We are supposed to be a nation of Christian values, of forgiveness and understanding. It’s understandable that what happened on 9/11 can never be forgotten and those actually responsible can’t ever be forgiven (regardless if that is supposed to be the very foundation of Christianity) but how can so-called Christians and what’s more Americans not only participate but initiate the burning of another’s Holly Scriptures?

I personally think building the Mosque on the proposed site is a bad idea. I do think it will be a constant reminder and even a slap in the face not only to those that lost their lives but to all those who will ever look back on that very tragic day. I do believe that in many regards that particular Mosque will always be viewed as a victory for current and future radical Muslims and serve as motivation in their hatred of the evils of America. Those are my beliefs and I can’t change what I feel but it doesn’t mean I am right. Just because it’s what I personally think is true doesn’t give me the right to spit on an entire religion though. How could I consider myself a true Christian or a real American if I took part in the burning of another religions Bible?

[minet123]

1)Freedom of religion in the USA is based around what "society" deems as correct and laws are made to reflect that
i.e.
Mormons can not marry more than one person
Faith healers go to jail if they do not take a sick child to the Doctor
Banning Satan worship in prison
etc etc
2)What truly cracks me up about the Republican party going off the deep end over a Mosque in Battery Park is that to be a true "Goldwater" Republican is to let the market dictate it's success or failure.If they have the money to buy the real estate in Lower Manhattan and it is with in the laws of NYC and The state of New York they should be allowed to open whatever they want and if people do not like it there they should be allowed to protest and make the success or failure dependent on the conditions created
3)Nazi's burned books,Stalin burned books.Those regimes burned books because they are AFRAID OF IDEAS.If your ideas can't match head to head with someone else ideas.Than you need new ideas.That church however repulsive as it is can burn whatever they want.The market will dictate if they are successful business(And yes religion is a business,they sell a product but that is a debate for a different thread)

[jw]

4. They are not building a mosque .. they are building a day center with a prayer room in it.

[brooks85]

^lol


i remember when they changed the name from "mosque" to "prayer center"


one of the oldest tricks in the book

[Extra Innings]

^lol


i remember when they changed the name from "mosque" to "prayer center"


one of the oldest tricks in the book

It was originally called the Cordoba project before it was changed to Park51.

“Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean “coexistence,” unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule. Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs cites the article (original in Arabic) published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May, in which Taher explains the following:

We must note that a hostile and provocative name [Cordoba] has been chosen for this mosque…Choosing the name ‘Cordoba House’ for the mosque to be constructed in New York was not coincidental or random and innocent. It bears within it significance and dreams of expansion and invasion [into the territory] of the other, [while] striving to change his religion and to subjugate him…

It used to not even be a stretch for reasonably well educated Westerners to recognize the place of Spain and Cordoba in the history of the West and Islam. Many of today’s younger adults, however, have learned nothing about the Mediterranean before 1492 except that the Muslim period in Spain was a flowering of science, art, and culture. There was a great deal to admire in the accomplishments of the Muslim Cordobans, but they did, in fact, invade and conquer Spain, sell its inhabitants into slavery, provide a base for slaver raids into other parts of Europe, and rule by the sword in much of the caliphate

[curious]

1)Freedom of religion in the USA is based around what "society" deems as correct and laws are made to reflect that
i.e.
Mormons can not marry more than one person
Faith healers go to jail if they do not take a sick child to the Doctor
Banning Satan worship in prison
etc etc
2)What truly cracks me up about the Republican party going off the deep end over a Mosque in Battery Park is that to be a true "Goldwater" Republican is to let the market dictate it's success or failure.If they have the money to buy the real estate in Lower Manhattan and it is with in the laws of NYC and The state of New York they should be allowed to open whatever they want and if people do not like it there they should be allowed to protest and make the success or failure dependent on the conditions created
3)Nazi's burned books,Stalin burned books.Those regimes burned books because they are AFRAID OF IDEAS.If your ideas can't match head to head with someone else ideas.Than you need new ideas.That church however repulsive as it is can burn whatever they want.The market will dictate if they are successful business(And yes religion is a business,they sell a product but that is a debate for a different thread)

The Republicans abandoned Goldwater conservatism in the early 80s. What the Republicans have practiced since is not conservatism, that is just a label the idiot media pundits have stuck on them. I'm not sure what the Republicans stand for. Opportunism? Kleptocracy?

[RudyRuetigger]

you are confusing Christianity with the bill of rights.

these are not one in the same

[jw]

^lol


i remember when they changed the name from "mosque" to "prayer center"


one of the oldest tricks in the book

... and people wonder why they target America ...

[Extra Innings]

... and people wonder why they target America ...

Not really...democrats may worry.

[itchypickle]

Christians burning Islamic bible....that should get interesting

For the record...I'm totally against the idea...but with that said...I'm just glad my people can sit this one out for a change

[pavyracer]

Why not put the Koran in a shredder instead and send it to a paper recycling plant to make paper for a new Bible? That would have been the prudent thing to do. You take one man made piece of garbage and convert it to another man made piece of garbage without destroying any trees or releasing carbon monoxide into the atmosphere.

[Swinging Johnson]

Very smart thread here.

[wal66]

The point I was trying to make was how hypocritical it is to burn the Bible of another religion under the guise of Patriotism or Christianity.

How do you promote, acceptance, forgiveness, and freedom through acts of violence and censorship?

[curious]

The point I was trying to make was how hypocritical it is to burn the Bible of another religion under the guise of Patriotism or Christianity.

How do you promote, acceptance, forgiveness, and freedom through acts of violence and censorship?

Why do we need to exhibit acceptance of an enemy whose goal is to murder us all? I will never forgive our enemy nor do I accept that they should have the freedom to wage Jihad in our own country.

You are confusing Christianity with stupidity.

[OmgUrMom]

The point I was trying to make was how hypocritical it is to burn the Bible of another religion under the guise of Patriotism or Christianity.

How do you promote, acceptance, forgiveness, and freedom through acts of violence and censorship?

christianity as a whole has never been about acceptance, forgiveness and freedom, so i just look at this as par for the course. Religion is merely a governing tool and should be viewed as such.

[pavyracer]

Why do we need to exhibit acceptance of an enemy whose goal is to murder us all? I will never forgive our enemy nor do I accept that they should have the freedom to wage Jihad in our own country.

You are confusing Christianity with stupidity.

What enemy are you talking about? Have you forget this?

[OmgUrMom]

Why do we need to exhibit acceptance of an enemy whose goal is to murder us all? I will never forgive our enemy nor do I accept that they should have the freedom to wage Jihad in our own country.

You are confusing Christianity with stupidity.

Lol so many people don't get it. Probably less than 1% of muslims want to wage war against the U.S. That's a pretty small portion isn't it? Alienate the other 99% of muslims and now we actually have a serious conflict on our hands. How strong are terrorist groups right now? They haven't hit us in the U.S. since 2001 . How hard would it be to hit a supermarket or something like that? Clearly their organization has no support and is very weak.

[wal66]

UPDATE.

The topic doesn’t require this but I don’t want to be lacking in integrity and leave the impression in anyone’s mind that this is being supported by a mainstream orthodox Christian church.

Now that I am home and had time to research this a bit more I have learned that the church in question is called the Dove World Outreach Center so it’s basically its own radical, fundamentalist group. While there may be hordes of mainstream Christians secretly supporting what this Pastor and his congregation will be doing, the mainstreamers aren’t associated with it.

The City of Gainesville has denied the church of a burning permit but the pastor says he will go through with this anyhow. Should be mentioned here that this same pastor makes a point of wearing a pistol on his person after receiving death threats after his flock chose to send their children to school wearing t-shirts with anti-Islamic emblems on them.

[curious]

UPDATE.

The topic doesn’t require this but I don’t want to be lacking in integrity and leave the impression in anyone’s mind that this is being supported by a mainstream orthodox Christian church.

Now that I am home and had time to research this a bit more I have learned that the church in question is called the Dove World Outreach Center so it’s basically its own radical, fundamentalist group. While there may be hordes of mainstream Christians secretly supporting what this Pastor and his congregation will be doing, the mainstreamers aren’t associated with it.

The City of Gainesville has denied the church of a burning permit but the pastor says he will go through with this anyhow. Should be mentioned here that this same pastor makes a point of wearing a pistol on his person after receiving death threats after his flock chose to send their children to school wearing t-shirts with anti-Islamic emblems on them.

You mean followers of Islam, the religion of peace, gave death threats over a t shirt? And you are complaining about the pastor who was threatened? I think you have some serious issues dude.

[BadNina]

Would anyone be surprised, outraged, whatever if a group of Muslims had a Bible burning party? Cause I seriously doubt the majority of you would have commented then.

[pavyracer]

Muslims are very tolerant of other religions. They wouldn't order mass burnings of Bibles. But don't you dare make cartoons with their prophet. They will demand your head in a platter.

[curious]

Would anyone be surprised, outraged, whatever if a group of Muslims had a Bible burning party? Cause I seriously doubt the majority of you would have commented then.

Every Muslim country that is currently 100% Muslim at one point had many Christain burning parties. You never hear the Muslim lovers complaining about that.

There are many 100% Muslim countries that were 50% or 60% Muslim not that long ago, and after decades of genocide and ethnic cleansing committed against non-Muslims they are now 100% Muslim. Not a peep out of the bleeding hearts.

[itchypickle]

christianity as a whole has never been about acceptance, forgiveness and freedom, so i just look at this as par for the course. Religion is merely a governing tool and should be viewed as such.

You nailed it...the one common denominator both Christianity and Islam have in common..."You don't believe in OUR God??? You are doomed burn in a pit with a beast or death by sword as an infidel" Always found that interesting...they try and recruit you you spread the word....but then if you turn down the offer...they flip the switch and go off on your destiny.

[JohnGalt2341]

If you've ever read this book you'll appreciate how IRONIC this is:

[SimonBarSinister]

you gotta hand it to them though. They seem to be 100% dedicated

[THE PROFIT]

this country is letting the political machine do this. A mosque that has been there for years is wanting to expand to make a day care center.

I guess the goddamn terrorists have won!

Will illegal Mexicans be watching the kids?

Im so sick of all this shit I cant stand it!!! I dont give a fuk what any of you fuks do or build. You worry about what you're doin' & I'll worry about what I'm doin'.

[wal66]

Profit, I generally live life as you stated there. Problem is every now and then something wakes me up and I can't help but question the mentality behind the madness. Truth be told, you generally can't explain the madness but it makes for decent conversations and a variety of viewpoints at least.