I almost got into a fight at the Hard Rock Seminole Casino in Florida.

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  • Cheme82
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    • 09-03-08
    • 7823

    #1
    I almost got into a fight at the Hard Rock Seminole Casino in Florida.
    Ok so I was on vacations in Miami last Thursday and decided to go to Hollywood Florida which is about 30 miles north of Miami to go play some Blackjack since they don't have craps there.

    My wife (who doesn't know how to play) was sitting at 3rd. base and I was to her right. Some loud mouth kid in his 20's was sitting at first base and had gone on a pretty good run playing a side game where they pay you when either or both of your cards match the dealer's up card. Needless to say the EV on that game is horrible just like any of the other dumb side games they have in casinos. But this dude hit like 3 times in a row and about 6 times within 10 hands. He kept playing the side game for more and long story short he turned about $100 into around $1,300 within 10 minutes or so.

    My wife asked me how come he was getting all those chips and I explained to her the side bet he was playing, then before she even aked me to play it as well I told her no and to watch how the guy will give it all back. The kid got cocky and started playing $100 a hand and putting another $50 on the side bet. The dealer went cold and started killing everyone at the table and he wasn't matching shit with the player's that were playing the side game.

    When he only had about $300 left he put $200 on the hand and another $100 on the side bet, after the deal (in which he didn't match shit again and lost the dollar) I had 18, my wife had 12, and the dealer was showing a 3. After everyone made their decisions I stood on my 18 and my wife asked me what to do on her 12. I told her to hit it and she drew a 10 and busted. The dealer had a 10 in the whole and then drew a 2 and a 5 to **** us all.

    The dude mumbled something about why would my wife hit her 12 so I got up and leaned over to his side and said loud enough "What's that bro?" I guess I looked kind of pissed because the pit boss came over almost instantaneously. Then the dude tells me that my wife shouldn't have hit her 12, I asked him why and he said "That's the rules". So I told him they might be "his" rules but they were certainly not "our" rules, and also pointed out the dealer was the only one that had "fixed" rules. Thankfully he shut his piehole and nobody got hurt.

    Here are the reasons I was pissed:

    1) Hitting a 12 against a 3 is basic strategy. If you are going to open your mouth at least know what you are talking about.

    2) Whenever I see a decision that might seem "dumb" according to basic strategy I always give the benefit of the doubt and admit it might be the right decision at that point if you are card-counting. If you were card-counting and the count were really high (lots of high cards left) it might make sense to stand on the 12. But they use continuous shufflers and there is no way the count could have gotten high enough to justify standing on 12.

    3) You have no right to say shit about the way someone plays with their money. Even if the decisions that person makes seem to affect your bottom line, those decisions are just as likely to help you than to hurt you.

    4) If you are going to get mad about someone making "the wrong decision", at least make sure you are not playing a ******* carnival game that has horrible odds on the side.

    Has this happened to anyone and how did you handle it?
  • konck
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-17-06
    • 12554

    #2
    Fight in a casino 90% you go to jail and do not pass go
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    • konck
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 10-17-06
      • 12554

      #3
      Plus you get 86'd from that casino
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      • brxbmbers42
        Restricted User
        • 07-26-10
        • 4312

        #4
        I love that casino. One of the few casinos I will play in. Was in miami in march and went there twice. Both time hit for two dimes playing blackjack.
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        • Cheme82
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-03-08
          • 7823

          #5
          Originally posted by konck
          Fight in a casino 90% you go to jail and do not pass go
          You are right, that's why I was glad the fucker didn't say shit after that. I was pissed!
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          • Cheme82
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-03-08
            • 7823

            #6
            Originally posted by brxbmbers42
            I love that casino. One of the few casinos I will play in. Was in miami in march and went there twice. Both time hit for two dimes playing blackjack.
            Good shit bro!

            I love the little bars and pubs they have connected to the casino. It reminds me of the shops at Caesar's but with cool venues. The bitches that you see there are priceless.
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            • bruceBRUCEbruce
              SBR MVP
              • 06-20-09
              • 2560

              #7
              you realize she should not have hit, right?
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              • Cheme82
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-03-08
                • 7823

                #8
                Oh my god! Are you the dude that I almost fought with? What are your sources? Without knowing the composition of the deck, you have to hit 12 and 13 against the dealer's 2 if you are using basic strategy.

                Now if you play using "I'm a little pussy and I never hit stiffs regardless of what the dealer shows strategy" then you are right.
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                • swagger
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 08-07-10
                  • 279

                  #9
                  doesnt matter if she should or shouldnt have hit, its her/your money and you're playing with it. that kid didnt have anything to say to you and its his fault he lost his money. Well done cheme for playing it cool and not stepping down his level

                  I haven't got into a casino fight but did get pissed at others for spilling drinks and screaming in my ear. but thats mostly through alcohol so I didnt bother, plus the dealers will tell them to leave the table once the pit bosses realize that everyones getting mad at them.
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                  • Dad
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-26-08
                    • 23245

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce
                    you realize she should not have hit, right?
                    Wrong
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                    • bruceBRUCEbruce
                      SBR MVP
                      • 06-20-09
                      • 2560

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cheme82
                      if you are using basic strategy.
                      basic strategy?
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                      • Cheme82
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-03-08
                        • 7823

                        #12
                        Originally posted by swagger
                        doesnt matter if she should or shouldnt have hit, its her/your money and you're playing with it. that kid didnt have anything to say to you and its his fault he lost his money. Well done cheme for playing it cool and not stepping down his level I haven't got into a casino fight but did get pissed at others for spilling drinks and screaming in my ear. but thats mostly through alcohol so I didnt bother, plus the dealers will tell them to leave the table once the pit bosses realize that everyones getting mad at them.
                        Thank you sir.

                        Originally posted by Dad
                        Wrong
                        I agree.

                        Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce
                        basic strategy?
                        If you are not counting (which will be worthless since they use continuous shufflers) then basic strategy is the best way to reduce their edge. What method do you use when you play?
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                        • Maverick22
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 04-10-10
                          • 807

                          #13
                          Sucks Bro...

                          They call it gambling for a reason
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                          • maersksealand
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-17-09
                            • 1673

                            #14
                            Hitting 12 against 3...what an idiot. That guy lost hundreds of dollars cause your stupidity and you act surprised because he was pissed, what a stupid SOB. Idiots like you should stick with playing Bingo or games where your ignorance doesn't hurt other players.
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                            • brxbmbers42
                              Restricted User
                              • 07-26-10
                              • 4312

                              #15
                              Originally posted by maersksealand
                              Hitting 12 against 3...what an idiot. That guy lost hundreds of dollars cause your stupidity and you act surprised because he was pissed, what a stupid SOB. Idiots like you should stick with playing Bingo or games where your ignorance doesn't hurt other players.
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                              • Extra Innings
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 02-26-10
                                • 15058

                                #16
                                Cheme82 . . . great story. I like your style
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                                • kmarinouofm
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 01-26-09
                                  • 8437

                                  #17
                                  people can be dicks in miami homie.. i am from there and left for the bay area.. much more my style =)
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                                  • kmarinouofm
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 01-26-09
                                    • 8437

                                    #18
                                    but hey the poker room here is really nice guys
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                                    • Extra Innings
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 02-26-10
                                      • 15058

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by cheme82

                                      You are right, that's why I was glad the fucker didn't say shit after that. I was pissed!
                                      More like he was scared.
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                                      • Brock Landers
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 06-30-08
                                        • 45367

                                        #20
                                        i never hit 12 when the dealer is showing 6 or less..NEVER

                                        And in your example, had she left it alone, you would have all won. So the dude was correct in his getting angry
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                                        • maersksealand
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-17-09
                                          • 1673

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by swagger
                                          doesnt matter if she should or shouldnt have hit, its her/your money and you're playing with it.
                                          Oh yes it matter, especially when you play $5 a hand like the Mickey Mouse wife and others risk hundreds. To make matters worst, the dude made the wrong call. Common sense and courtesy was for the guy to ask the other players what to do...especially since he's clueless at playing Blackjack.
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                                          • statnerds
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-23-09
                                            • 4047

                                            #22
                                            the only bad call was putting your wife at the hot corner.
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                                            • Cheme82
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-03-08
                                              • 7823

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by maersksealand
                                              Hitting 12 against 3...what an idiot. That guy lost hundreds of dollars cause your stupidity and you act surprised because he was pissed, what a stupid SOB. Idiots like you should stick with playing Bingo or games where your ignorance doesn't hurt other players.
                                              This shit is classic. First of all he lost hundreds of dollars because he was playing a ******* carnival game. Also it's called variance, the dealer will get hot, it's only a matter of time.

                                              Play bingo so my ignorance doesn't hurt other players? You are ******* joke, get a clue.
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                                              • Cheme82
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 09-03-08
                                                • 7823

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Extra Innings
                                                Cheme82 . . . great story. I like your style
                                                It was funny, I was pissed for a couple of minutes but overall great time.

                                                Originally posted by kmarinouofm
                                                people can be dicks in miami homie.. i am from there and left for the bay area.. much more my style =)
                                                I know bro, I lived there 2 years and there are some rude fuckers down there. Hot bitches though, that makes it a little better.
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                                                • Cheme82
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-03-08
                                                  • 7823

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                  i never hit 12 when the dealer is showing 6 or less..NEVER And in your example, had she left it alone, you would have all won. So the dude was correct in his getting angry
                                                  If the dealer is showing 4 to 6 then yes, stand and let her do her job. But showing a 2 or 3 you gotta hit Landers, it will save you money in the long run.

                                                  The fact that in this case the dealer would have busted is besides the point. I do with my money what I want and no ************ is going to get away talking shit to my face. Besides, it was the right decision but like I said before, even if it was wrong it's still my ******* money. Unsolicited advice at the table is not always met with a smile.

                                                  Also all these stupid people that blame others for losing a game that's -EV never keep track of the times the decisions on others actually make them money and save the table. In the long run they even out.
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                                                  • HauntingTheHoly
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 04-28-10
                                                    • 1397

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by statnerds
                                                    the only bad call was putting your wife at the hot corner.
                                                    Isn't blackjack a game where you're guranteed to lose long run? And so anyone who plays is "clueless" - right? Or no?

                                                    Edit: Quoted the wrong person. I'm not fixing it. **** it. LoL
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                                                    • Cheme82
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 09-03-08
                                                      • 7823

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by maersksealand
                                                      Oh yes it matter, especially when you play $5 a hand like the Mickey Mouse wife and others risk hundreds. To make matters worst, the dude made the wrong call. Common sense and courtesy was for the guy to ask the other players what to do...especially since he's clueless at playing Blackjack.
                                                      First of all you don't know how much we were playing for. I already told you that was the right decision, go do some research if you don't believe me.

                                                      Common sense and courtesy? Dude most people at a casino have very little of the former and none of the latter. I have lots of both until you get stupid with me.

                                                      Clueless about playing blackjack? Dude, I have read full books only on that game. Counting books, etc. You obviously haven't read anything worth shit about the subject.
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                                                      • Cheme82
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                                                        • 09-03-08
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by statnerds
                                                        the only bad call was putting your wife at the hot corner.
                                                        I was making sure she didn't **** it up, and I wasn't about to let her sit next to the drunk fucker that was next to me.
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                                                        • Cheme82
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                                                          • 09-03-08
                                                          • 7823

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by HauntingTheHoly
                                                          Isn't blackjack a game where you're guranteed to lose long run? And so anyone who plays is "clueless" - right? Or no? Edit: Quoted the wrong person. I'm not fixing it. **** it. LoL
                                                          True. But most of us won't play enough to see the long run and in the short run anything can happen. It's also a fun game and if you play it correctly and when you take into account the free drinks and comps you are very close to playing even and basically having fun, drinking, eating for free.
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                                                          • Deuce
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 01-12-08
                                                            • 29843

                                                            #30
                                                            Why did she hit on a twelve when dealer showed 3?

                                                            I mean I guess whatever but its 3 or 13. Whatever.
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                                                            • GELATINOUS CUBE
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                                                              • 08-09-09
                                                              • 4534

                                                              #31
                                                              COOL.
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                                                              THESE-FIVE-PACOS-WERE-HIGH-BEAMING-ME-IN-A-SEDAN-SO-I-THREW-A-PALM-BERRY-AT-THEM
                                                              THE-BERRY-HIT-LIKE-A-POLE-OR-SOMETHING-SO-THEY-BONED-OUT.
                                                              THE-KID-IN-THE-BACK-GAVE-ME-THE-FINGER-SO-I-CHASED.
                                                              ACROSS-THE-STREET-THEY-GOT-CAUGHT-AT-A-LIGHT-SO-I-WALKED-UP-TO-THE-BACK
                                                              AT-THE-KID-ALL-WHATS-UP-ESE???
                                                              BUT-THEY-HAD-A-BAR-CODE=RENTACAR...SO-I-SAID-ITS-COOL
                                                              RENTALS-BEAM-INSTANTLY
                                                              THEY-TOOK-OFF-ANYWAY.

                                                              I-WAS-THROWING-ROCKS-AT-THESE-OTHER-CARS-BUT-NOBODY-WANTED-NONE-WITH
                                                              THE-CUBE....A-BUNCH-OF-PUNK-BITCHES-I-GUESS

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                                                              • Cheme82
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-03-08
                                                                • 7823

                                                                #32
                                                                It is to your advantage to take 1 hit on 12 against a dealer card of 2 or 3. Assuming every card is equally likely to come, you have 4 cards than won't do shit for you (A,2,3,4), 5 cards that will give you at least 17 (5,6,7,8,9), and 4 cards that will bust you (10,J,Q,K). You also know the dealer will take at least 1 more hit regardless of what they have in the hole.

                                                                So you basically take the hit knowing you will bust about 31% of the time and get at least 17 about 38% of the time. The remaining 31% of the time your hand won't matter because you need the dealer to bust for you to win. So 69% of the time your hand gets better or stays equivalent by hitting rather than standing.
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                                                                • DiggityDaggityDo
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 11-30-08
                                                                  • 81463

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by maersksealand
                                                                  Hitting 12 against 3...what an idiot. That guy lost hundreds of dollars cause your stupidity and you act surprised because he was pissed, what a stupid SOB. Idiots like you should stick with playing Bingo or games where your ignorance doesn't hurt other players.
                                                                  I hope you do not play BJ for real money. You do hit your 12 against a 3, dumbass. You obviously play by the rules of some book that was written in 1954. lol dumbfuk.

                                                                  Also, play your hand how you want, if you are betting $5 per hand or $200, who gives a shit if the guy next to you is playing $784 per hand, it does not matter, fuk him and make your $5. Yeah, I see it did not work out in this one hand, but in the long run, hitting a 12 when dealer shows a 3 you will come up. These guys that think you should not hit 12 when a dealer is showing a 3 do not know how to play blackjack the right way.
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                                                                  • Grandmaster B
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 09-05-09
                                                                    • 6035

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by maersksealand
                                                                    Oh yes it matter, especially when you play $5 a hand like the Mickey Mouse wife and others risk hundreds. To make matters worst, the dude made the wrong call. Common sense and courtesy was for the guy to ask the other players what to do...especially since he's clueless at playing Blackjack.
                                                                    what if its somebodys last $5 to their name?

                                                                    are the other players going to give him a tip if he decides not to take a hit to improve his hand?

                                                                    the OP said the kid went through $700 like water

                                                                    cheap piece of shit wouldnt have tipped anyone at that table $1

                                                                    so fuk him and what hes going through...
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                                                                    • Cheme82
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 09-03-08
                                                                      • 7823

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by GELATINOUS CUBE
                                                                      COOL. I-ALMOST-GOT-IN-A-FIGHT-AT-THE-GAS-STATION-30-MINUTES-AGO. THESE-FIVE-PACOS-WERE-HIGH-BEAMING-ME-IN-A-SEDAN-SO-I-THREW-A-PALM-BERRY-AT-THEM THE-BERRY-HIT-LIKE-A-POLE-OR-SOMETHING-SO-THEY-BONED-OUT. THE-KID-IN-THE-BACK-GAVE-ME-THE-FINGER-SO-I-CHASED. ACROSS-THE-STREET-THEY-GOT-CAUGHT-AT-A-LIGHT-SO-I-WALKED-UP-TO-THE-BACK AT-THE-KID-ALL-WHATS-UP-ESE??? BUT-THEY-HAD-A-BAR-CODE=RENTACAR...SO-I-SAID-ITS-COOL RENTALS-BEAM-INSTANTLY THEY-TOOK-OFF-ANYWAY. I-WAS-THROWING-ROCKS-AT-THESE-OTHER-CARS-BUT-NOBODY-WANTED-NONE-WITH THE-CUBE....A-BUNCH-OF-PUNK-BITCHES-I-GUESS
                                                                      Great story, but what was the dealer showing?
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