Message from ThePrick - 2010 BTP: $160k Football Contest

[pavyracer]

There is no more freeloaders this year than any year LM. There are however, a few more whiners. LM, don't play this year. The contest rules have not even been announced on the site and your whining. Dude, dont play this year. You and pavy skip this year and go find a better contest and report back right here in this thread.

Blah, blah, blah..We are asking legitimate questions here which you refuse to address. I will personally give a call to DSI and tell them that I was encouraged by one of their affiliates not to deposit money. I'm pretty sure they will like it. I have been a customer of DSI for many years and deposited thousands with them and they always treat me with the utmost respect.

If you don't like our suggestions don't read them but you have no skills as a business man. You remind me of another hothead from Texas. GWB: "You are either with us or against us".

[SBR_John]

You never beat The Prick anyway.

[tblues2005]

I thought I made that clear. If you open & fund a DSI account you play for cash...if you dont you play for points. And the split is $10k a week. You win cash if you have an account or points if you dont.

SBRJohn,

I got a question for you also on this? If I do get a DSI account also can you become a pro on the points and have both? Sounds like a lot of fun to me. I can for sure sign up with them and do we qualify for the bonuses from the site also?

[SBR_John]

SBRJohn,

I got a question for you also on this? If I do get a DSI account also can you become a pro on the points and have both? Sounds like a lot of fun to me. I can for sure sign up with them and do we qualify for the bonuses from the site also?

Yep. Kill two birds with one stone.

[tblues2005]

I can assure you that our security methods are quite good. And, any poster found guilty of fraud would be permanently banned from contests/points and maybe even SBR all together.

We banned a few accounts in the last week of guys that were otherwise fair posters due to points fraud. It's simply not worth the risk for someone that enjoys hangin' at SBR.

Lou that is great news that you have caught some that have done this. What if I have a buddy of mine that lives downstairs from me that wants to join from my computer though? He has talked about this with me but he does not want me to get into any trouble. I told him that I would talk to you guys about this at the bash at the end of this month.

[tblues2005]

Yep. Kill two birds with one stone.

That sounds awesome and even get the 100 points for signing up with them also. I sure want to do this before the season starts. Sounds like a good one to me.

The only other question is that I hope that DSI don't call me all of the time to make more deposits and I hope that they will not do that considering I am limited on minutes on my cell phone. I have had problems from Bet Phoenix in the past of that.

[ronjon619]

"BUDDY of MINE"

[pavyracer]

Lou that is great news that you have caught some that have done this. What if I have a buddy of mine that lives downstairs from me that wants to join from my computer though? He has talked about this with me but he does not want me to get into any trouble. I told him that I would talk to you guys about this at the bash at the end of this month.

Your buddy doesn't have his own computer and IP? If he doesn't then he shouldn't play or operate his offshore account from your computer because you will get in trouble with DSI before you get in trouble with SBR.

[SBR_John]

How does the contest work? this will be my first year entering.

Pretty simple. In broad strokes everyone plays against The Prick, everyone makes 4 picks. Its you against The Prick. Everyone who beats The Prick splits $10,000 every week. If you have a funded DSI account with $50 you get cash, if not you get points. If you go 4-0 and The Prick is 3-1 you would probably split the $10k with about 12 others. There is also $10,000 for final standings.

[bobbyfk]

Pretty simple. In broad strokes everyone plays against The Prick, everyone makes 4 picks. Its you against The Prick. Everyone who beats The Prick splits $10,000 every week. If you have a funded DSI account with $50 you get cash, if not you get points. If you go 4-0 and The Prick is 3-1 you would probably split the $10k with about 12 others. There is also $10,000 for final standings.

sides/ML's and totals? just for NFL or NCAA too?

thanks

[SBR_John]

sides/ML's and totals? just for NFL or NCAA too?

thanks

NFL and NCAAFB sides and totals. The lines are dynamic(real time). The contest software is automated so you can see where you are in real time.

[caracalla]

$50 USD. You must make a new deposit to DSI to be real-money eligible for the BTP 2010 contest.

New deposit? OK, even if I have $$ on DSI
But when? Tomorrow is good? Or I have to wait your OK, contest starting ....
Tx

[SBR_John]

New deposit? OK, even if I have $$ on DSI
But when? Tomorrow is good? Or I have to wait your OK, contest starting ....
Tx

I think the sign up page for the 2010 contest goes up Tuesday. So check there in case something I mention is off,,winging it here. But you do not need a new DSI account, just a DSI account with 50 bucks in it gets you in for the year.

[Fishhead]

COUNT ME IN.............just a matter of how much I'm going to win.


THANKS SBR

PRICK, you're a loser.

[SBR Lou]

What if someone deposits the $50 after he went 4-0 so he can earn cash instead of points? There are so many loopholes when you mix the cash funded accounts with the points accounts all in the same pool I can spend 2 days here showing you how ridiculously easy it is to scam the contest.

There aren't any loopholes. A full thread with simple fine-print and detailed terms will be posted tomorrow, along with the creation of the contest on SBR Contests.

[SBR_John]

pavy - zero loopholes. You win and have a funded DSI account with a wholeeee $50 as an initial deposit you get cash...if you dont have an account you get points. With just random picks I estimate the average guy will make around $500 if he has a DSI account or 500 points if he doesn't. I know you love to complain and over complicate things but this is just too easy.

[Dark Horse]

There is no more freeloaders this year than any year LM. There are however, a few more whiners. LM, don't play this year. The contest rules have not even been announced on the site and your whining. Dude, dont play this year. You and pavy skip this year and go find a better contest and report back right here in this thread.

Believe it or not, but these people are not whining. They're (myself included) protecting the integrity of the contest. You created something beautiful, but it wouldn't have been anything without contestants. Just as this forum would be nothing without posters. So I don't get this fall in line or shut up attitude. You need critics to make you better, and this setup, according to many here, can be better. That's all. Take it or leave it.

[Fishhead]

pavy - zero loopholes. You win and have a funded DSI account with a wholeeee $50 as an initial deposit you get cash...if you dont have an account you get points. With just random picks I estimate the average guy will make around $500 if he has a DSI account or 500 points if he doesn't. I know you love to complain and over complicate things but this is just too easy.

[BigDaddy]

Believe it or not, but these people are not whining. They're (myself included) protecting the integrity of the contest. You created something beautiful, but it wouldn't have been anything without contestants. Just as this forum would be nothing without posters. So I don't get this fall in line or shut up attitude. You need critics to make you better, and this setup, according to many here, can be better. That's all. Take it or leave it.

well said.


i would really like to know what the posters offer to the books that don't bet?

i never understood it.

if i was a book giving away money i would only reward those that show loyalty to my book.

what better reason to try a book out for a small deposit of $50 and be able to play in the BTP contest?

if that doesn't make one want to try out a book i don't know what will because like John said most will profit from this contest.

[pavyracer]

I just hope SBR takes some of these concerns and addresses them. When I say for example that some people have multiple accounts last year in BTP (Sammy/Chet) I am not criticizing SBR for not doing their job this year. If Lou says he will catch all the offenders this year I trust him. Some other people came up with suggestions and their goal is to make the contest better and they are not whining to try and undermine it. So since the final details have not been ironed out yet it will help the people who plan to publish the rules on Tuesday to try and safeguard the integrity of the contest. Better speak up before the rules are cast in stone than after. It will make everyones job so much easier.

I trust the staff of SBR to do their best job.

[goldengreek]

WHAT IF YOU DEPOSIT SAY $ 300 IN DSI TODAY AND BY THE TIME THE CONTEST STARTS YOUR BALANCE IS ZERO ? Do you ALWAYS have to have $ 200 in your acct every week ?

[Bill Dozer]

WHAT IF YOU DEPOSIT SAY $ 300 IN DSI TODAY AND BY THE TIME THE CONTEST STARTS YOUR BALANCE IS ZERO ? Do you ALWAYS have to have $ 200 in your acct every week ?

No just when you signup.

[whatsgood5]

Pavy you sure do find a way to bitch and moan about pretty much anything SBR does...you're one miserable fuk.

[SBR_John]

Pavy you sure do find a way to bitch and moan about pretty much anything SBR does...you're one miserable fuk.

LOL well that's too strong.

I dont mind guys firing shots but its a free contest, take it or leave it. Special emphasis on 'free'. The rules are what they are. Its like a guy handing out $5's on the street and pavy is screaming they should be 10's and he could/and will write for two days why.

[OmgUrMom]

ok cool sh!t! thanks sbr. just have one question, although i will play either way. So is $10,000 being given out every week no matter what? Or could it be like 2,000 cash and 8,000 sbr points?

[whatsgood5]

LOL well that's too strong.

I dont mind guys firing shots but its a free contest, take it or leave it. Special emphasis on 'free'. The rules are what they are. Its like a guy handing out $5's on the street and pavy is screaming they should be 10's and he could/and will write for two days why.

Maybe a little too strong , I think you summed up my thoughts exactly in a much more respectful way

[pavyracer]

Pavy you sure do find a way to bitch and moan about pretty much anything SBR does...you're one miserable fuk.

Shut the **** up you miserable piece of shit. No one asked for your stupid opinion and you haven't provided one either. Now go back to your cage and stay obedient to your master else no cookie treat for ya dog!

[whatsgood5]

Shut the **** up you miserable piece of shit. No one asked for your stupid opinion and you haven't provided one either. Now go back to your cage and stay obedient to your master else no cookie treat for ya dog!

This made me chuckle, keep up the good work

[WeinketoWarrick]

A lot of good points being made by longtime posters and just being completely ignored by SBR_John. I don't get it.

There is an incredibly simple fix to this.

Make it so that everyone has to deposit $50 into DSI. They don't have to still have their money in there after Week 1, they just have to have made a deposit for at least $50 from the time the contest is announced.

Only those people are eligible to play (and win cash prizes).

Hell, cut the cash prizes down to 5k again. That would be fine with almost all of us, I think, if we knew that it was only going to be going to people that made deposits.

People that don't make a deposit don't get shit.

Real players get rewarded as they should, and really nothing to complain about unless you're a freeloader.


Of course, this won't be happening because it's not as sexy of marketing. Better to say "160k in prizes!!", "free to enter!!", and hype DSI and SBR up and then get broke-dick 19 year olds getting lucky and going 4-0 and only actually paying out $2000 a week. The promotion stays just as "great" (see almost every single SBR_John post in this thread), and both SBR and DSI actually save money by not guaranteeing that a certain amount of cash will be given out each week.


Now, I'll be depositing with DSI sometime in the next few days. I'll throw $100/$200 in there even though I'm active with 6 other books at this time (and will be adding another and a local before football) because I want to be eligible for the cash prizes and this will still be a great contest, but it's blatantly obvious to the smart guys in here that SBR_John and the fellow management at SBR are either being ignorant or deliberately misleading in their marketing of this contest. It'll be great, for sure, but if a few things were fixed it could be legendary.

just the two cents of a 40-post/month mostly lurker.

[SBR_John]

WW, contrary to what some might think SBR does not make the rules. $10,000 will be split weekly to everyone who has a DSI account with a deposit of $50. We will say "up to $10,000" if it makes anyone feel better. But I suspect nearly everyone will have an account, its one of those no brainer deals. And no one is being ignored. You got your 2 cents in too. Btw, the contest is about the same as it has been the last 5 years. If a guy can't afford $50 he will win points instead.

[pavyracer]

Of course, this won't be happening because it's not as sexy of marketing. Better to say "160k in prizes!!", "free to enter!!", and hype DSI and SBR up and then get broke-dick 19 year olds getting lucky and going 4-0 and only actually paying out $2000 a week. The promotion stays just as "great" (see almost every single SBR_John post in this thread), and both SBR and DSI actually save money by not guaranteeing that a certain amount of cash will be given out each week.

Excellent points. This is an excellent point of sugar coating and hyping the contest from DSI. SBR_John finally admitted the rules are forced by the sponsor so there is no point of arguing with him. His hands are tied.

It is clear now that the contest is being hyped and it is to the best interest of DSI to have more freeloaders placing in the contest so that the prices are watered down every week.

One thing that still buffles me though is that free loaders are not required to have a DSI account to enter the contest. So how does DSI benefit from them by allowing them to play in the contest where they have no intention to open an account with them and even deposit a measley $50 other than helping them with reducing the amount of prizes awarded each week.

This is one of the strangest marketing gimmicks I have ever encountered but since SBR_John is just following the sponsor's wishes lets not blame him anymore.

[JerseyShop101]

WeinketoWarrick - spot on

[kroyrunner89]

$10,000 a week doesn't make me feel better. It'll probably be more like $3000 and 7000 SBR points a week. Hell, even if we did this SBR/money split it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't pretend 1 SBR point = $1. Doesn't quite seem like the right ratio to me... regardless will be fun this year but we need to fix this next season

[JerseyShop101]

$10,000 a week doesn't make me feel better. It'll probably be more like $3000 and 7000 SBR points a week. Hell, even if we did this SBR/money split it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't pretend 1 SBR point = $1. Doesn't quite seem like the right ratio to me... regardless will be fun this year but we need to fix this next season

Good observation. At the best value (for pts value to cash) in the SBR store, for $50 cash at Betphoenix it only costs 563 points.

That equates to a little less than 9 cents a point (.088).
$1 would equal 11.26 points

[Boner_18]

Another great contest this year, even with the rule changes. I understand the consternation of many posters who point out that unfunded contestants will water down the take of "real money" contests who also BTP. And while this is true, in a world where everyone is funded (more likely at $50 than $250) the player take doesn't change, just the sponsor exposure.

Let's say there are 100 players, 50 beat the prick. 10,000/50 = 200 units each.

Where half the players are funded (and an equal proportion BTP) the breakdown is as follows:
- 25 players receive 200pts.
- 25 players receive $200 at DSI
- DSI pays out 5k

Where all the players are funded (again more likely in a $50 no points scenario than a $250 no points) the breakdown is as follows:
- 50 players receive $200 at DSI
- DSI pays out 10k

Obviously, you will not get %100 (relative) participation if there is no alternative points payout and the $50 threshold remains, but it is not a very high bar. To this extent, I join the dissenters who prefer a no points/high deposit requirement. However, being a realist I understand SBR/Sponsors have real business concerns from this contest which is not just a loyalty reward but a marketing tool as well. I appreciate the generous contest from SBR, in any form.