Asking for a refund here is pathetic
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Why is he wrong if he sent the email?Comment -
If he didnt end email he would have been accused of taking a shot. Send an email and still no sympathy.
Of course all this applies ONLY if email was sentComment -
I'm just curious, was the wager big or small? You don't have to say how much. It really isn't relevant either. It had just taken a long time so I was assuming it was large. Over/Under 500? Good Luck!Comment -
your effort to take a shot backfired, you got freerolled which is usually what happens in these cases. if i were the book i'd refund your money and send you packing, thousands of guys like this no matter where you go.Comment -
you bet the play thinking it would be a winner, the "spirit" of your wager was to take the side you took at the line you took it at, it lost. move on and don't allow yourself to carry the label of a shot taking free roller, it'll stay with you as long as you gamble. i would hope your reputation would be worth more than a nickel...........Comment -
If I was taking a shot, why would I request a wager be cancelled when it was winning (Albeit a 4-2 lead)Comment -
2pac,
The task at hand is verifying that email was sent.
Our decision regarding this player, was based on the player not contacting us within a reasonable amount of time to cancel his wager, once he placed the wager. He chose to wait until the game was completed. We have no reason to argue this claim of only $500.00, as it's simply not worth our time. All other wagers on this game were honored, regardless of the incorrect game start time.BetEd also said you never mentioned this email on the phone call after the game. If you disagree with that we can ask about the phone tape.The info. the player has provided is also very simple to falsify. We have EVERY email the player has ever sent to us. We have absolutely no record of this email.
Otherwise, perhaps the network admin can get the details on the outgoing email?Comment -
So now I falsified an email? Apparently I have an IT degree which I'm unaware of.
If talking to the network admin is what it's going to take, I'll do it. School starts up again on Monday.Comment -
Not to beat a dead horse, but....
I don't believe that whether or not an e-mail was ever sent has any relevance in this matter.
I agree with some of the earlier posters. From my perspective it simply comes down to whether or not BetED has ever voided a winning wager because it was accepted after the start of play.
If BetED has voided winning wagers in the past based on their "post start" guideline then they should refund 2Pac his wager. But, if BetED has no track record of voiding wagers based on this guideline then 2Pac shouldn't be refunded his wager (regardless of his attempts to cancel).
If you disagree with the logic then you're basicly saying that it is the responsibility of the player to ensure that the game has not started at the time they place their wager......and if a wager is accepted after the game begins the book has the right to record all losing wagers accepted after game start and void all winning wagers accepted after game start.
I have no horse in this race, but I would like to believe that if I were to be involved in a simlar situation that any reputable book would be 100% consistent in either voiding or accepting these types of wagers regardless of the outcome.Comment -
That being said.....and thinking this through........
Just the fact that BetED is asking for proof of the e-mail and see it as relevant would lead me to believe that they don't have a 100% consistent policy on this type of situation and that they do walk on both sides of the line.Comment -
Question to 2pac: "IF" this wager had won and you were paid, as Bill quotes from BEtED "All other wagers on this game were honored, regardless of the incorrect game start time." and they "Voided" the wager as per the rules and regulations, would this be an opposite issue of "BetED too my wager and should honour even if it was left up late"? Please answer honestly...
By Bill's quote from BetED it seems that the issue is not the amount, rather the time of contact. You do not have to be an IT tech to change a timestamp BTW
Another question would also be, if there was such concern for this matter at the time 10 minutes into the event, why did you email and not "phone" the book right away to straighten out the matter? Did you wait to see if the wager would win? Honestly? I hate to yell out "Chancer" but this is the way I see it to be. I've been wrong before..
Bill: Do you know if BetED uses any type of chat/email program such as live person? If so, ask them if they have their automatic response on, simply put, it's a system tracker that will send out a reference number when the email is received, notifying the client that their issue arrived and will be addressed. If so, 2pac would have received a reference number. IF he can provide that, he can prove he emailed them at the time he says (Is BetED uses this type of email software).
I would think that BetED knows lines may go off a minute or 2 into the event and if a client complains about it or contacts them right away, they can void the wager, in this case, they appear to be verifying that the client's email never was received. The rule is there, however if the bet won, how many clients would complain if they let the bets ride, if they voided every wager 30secs-2mins into the game, clients would still state "The funds were at risk, pay the wager, you accepted the bet". The book can't win either way...
Hopefully we'll have some resolution to this matter so we can all hop into the next exciting thread.Comment -
Thanks - I was going to post that, but would have taken a beating.
If betED has EVER, EVER cancelled a wager for being after post, then ALL must be. There shouldn't be special cases where a user has to e-mail. A precedent has been set ( I bet my life that they have cancelled wagers after post ) .
Once again I ask - who would win in court?
Their rules say : ANY BET PLACED AFTER THE START OF THE GAME IS VOID.
There aren't any exceptions to this placed under the rule.
Was my bet placed after the start: Yes.
No further questions should be asked.
I sent screenshots of my sent box, and the actual sent message.
betED says that it would be easy to falsify this - and I say to them, it's easy to click delete on a message as well.
Does greg johnson want my email login/password so he can see my sent box? Is that what it is going to take to get this done?Comment -
They closed my account and did not refund the wager.Comment -
I think your account being closed is well deserved.Comment -
Teazeman and others have hit the nail right on the head throughout this entire thread. I only wish SBR would ban him too, as he looks to be stirring up trouble elsewhere on these forums (what else do you expect from someone with a cheapshot mentality?)...
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Then all shot takers should be banned from forums ... going back to that WW case
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Teazeman reading you trying to get it through to him that he was a poor excuse for a shot taker was one of the funnier things I've read on here in awhile. At least the other guy in the WW case is a professional shot-taker who made several hundred Ks going from book to book looking for particular shortcomings. Comparing this guy to that guy is like comparing Jessica Simpson's IQ to Alfred Nobel's
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