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  • Chi_archie
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-22-08
    • 63172

    #36
    just crazy stuff, I can't comprehend it
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    • pavyracer
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-12-07
      • 82840

      #37
      Originally posted by Chi_archie
      just crazy stuff, I can't comprehend it
      You have to go from rugs to riches and back to rugs to understand. Some people can't stand going back to rugs.
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      • ttwarrior1
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 06-23-09
        • 28460

        #38
        don't understand the charcoal thing?? and why did she join in, thought it was car exhaust in a garage.
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        • BadNina
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 11-27-07
          • 10491

          #39
          Fishy, you do realize that her children have said they are dead, that their mother killed herself along with Ken right?

          And he didn't go out like he wanted. He was a coward and took the coward's way out.
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          • pavyracer
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 04-12-07
            • 82840

            #40
            Originally posted by ttwarrior1
            don't understand the charcoal thing?? and why did she join in, thought it was car exhaust in a garage.
            Charcoal when burned consumes oxygen which in turn produces carbon monoxide. When the oxygen is depleted and the lungs inhale carbon monoxide people or animals die. It also preserves the body and face for a decent looking funeral and traumatizes less family members identifying the bodies at the morgue. Gunshot suicides, fires, jumping from a building, drowning, cutting arteries will transform the physical appearance of a person to something scary like you see in the movies.
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            • will2survive
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-26-09
              • 8099

              #41
              3 words: Never Give up---------------------Lots of people are down and out and people find ways to comeback in all facets of life.Have faith,do your best,and don't make an irrational decision like this man did because there are people left behind who are innocent. It's one thing to lose your self respect but there's plenty of opportunity to fight back in life after screwing up. Pick your spots one step at a time until you can regain your self respect back.......just my opinion
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              • Chuck Sims
                SBR MVP
                • 12-29-05
                • 3072

                #42
                I wish SHRINK would of swallowed his pride and just moved in with his stepson. After selling his million dollar home and all his possessions to pay off his gambling debts he could of started anew. Maybe being a paid poster at EOG.
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                • Doug
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 6324

                  #43
                  Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                  don't understand the charcoal thing?? and why did she join in, thought it was car exhaust in a garage.
                  car exhaust wouldn't even work well with unleaded gasoline and catalytic converters.

                  A "Doctor" should know how to get some good stuff to check out with.

                  It's ironic that he burnt his nutz off doing this.

                  I knew Kenny was pure garbage when he admitted on his own site that he gave out the wrong side of games, trying to get a moved line for himself.

                  I'm glad he's dead !
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                  • Chi_archie
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-22-08
                    • 63172

                    #44
                    Jimmy Hoffa's response:


                    Online Gambling: Up in Smoke? More like smoke and mirrors...
                    In regards to the article that appears in today's Virginian-Pilot submitted by Ms. Kristin Davis, the inaccuracies far outweigh any accurate facts.

                    Had Ms. Davis done more investigative work on her article, when discussing Ken's mother Marika Somerstein she would have surely found her story as a Holocaust survivor to have added another interesting angle to her story.

                    Also, even a cursory knowledge of basic mathematics would discover that Ken won $75,000.00 in the Leroy's Money Talks Football Contest. Sixteen entrants each paid a $5000.00 entry fee and the winner took home $80,000.00. Subtracting the entry fee clearly shows that the winner actually only won $75,000.00. To be more precise, Mr. Weitzner actually brought home less than $75,000 as he and Fat Jack Ross agreed beforehand to split the pot.

                    Furthermore, the article by Ms. Davis labels Ken Weitzner as a "bigshot" in Las Vegas. As one who traveled with Ken in Las Vegas, I can assure you that Ken neither acted like nor was treated like a big shot. We stood in line for cabs like every other tourist in Las Vegas and watched limousine driven "bigshots" pass in front of us. Now by no means was Ken a nickel slot machine player, but by Las Vegas standards he was hardly noteworthy.

                    Ken Weitzner did not fly all of his employees out to Las Vegas and pay for their accommodations at the Encore. In fact, only two employees went on this particular trip and only one took full advantage of Mr. Weitzner's generous hospitality, one Joseph Vandercook. This came as no surprise to the other members of Mr. Weitzer's staff as Mr. Vandercook is a compulsive degenerate gambler who without Mr. Weitzer's patronage would have never seen the bright lights of Las Vegas. In Mr. Vandercook, Ken Weitzner found a kindred spirit in irresponsible behavior.

                    Had Ms. Davis not relied on such poor and questionable sources such as Mr. Vandercook, a more accurate representation of Mr. and Mrs. Weitzner would have surely been offered.
                    While taken individually each inaccuracy looks rather tame. However, the culmination of inaccuracies in their totality serves to show Ms. Davis' article as poorly written, poorly researched and very indicative of small town "journalism".
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                    • Fishhead
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 08-11-05
                      • 40179

                      #45
                      Originally posted by BadNina;5353989[B
                      ]Fishy, you do realize that her children have said they are dead, that their mother killed herself along with Ken right? [/B]

                      And he didn't go out like he wanted. He was a coward and took the coward's way out.
                      Yes, what are you implying?

                      Of course they are going to say they are dead if indeed KEN AND HIS WIFE skipped the country for whatever reason(debts or being a snitch).
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                      • ttwarrior1
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 06-23-09
                        • 28460

                        #46
                        burnt his nuts off???????/ and wouldnt the fumes of the charcoal kill you before any exhaust
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                        • Fishhead
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 08-11-05
                          • 40179

                          #47
                          Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                          burnt his nuts off???????/ and wouldnt the fumes of the charcoal kill you before any exhaust
                          The whole story has numerous red flags that it makes for many not to believe what has been reported.

                          Chances are the absolute truth will never be known by non-family members.
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                          • Chi_archie
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-22-08
                            • 63172

                            #48
                            tough to fake a double suicide....where both bodies are completely preserved....

                            the conspiracy theorists will always be around, but it would have been alot easier for Ken to pull a faked death off, if he were to have had a huge explosion, car accident, drowing at sea ect ect ect...

                            the manner in which they died and were found, pretty much ensures that this was the real deal.... red flags for goof balls or not
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                            • Doug
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 08-10-05
                              • 6324

                              #49
                              Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                              burnt his nuts off???????/ and wouldnt the fumes of the charcoal kill you before any exhaust
                              threw some lighter fluid on hot coals or something....

                              the rapid cremation is Fishy, esp. for a Jew....I don't think they like to be burned, perfect if he is still alive, but I think he is dead.
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                              • Brock Landers
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 06-30-08
                                • 45359

                                #50
                                Great read EI!!

                                A few observations...

                                Everyone goes bust from time to time, and when its on credit, its not your loss, so Fuk killing yourself over it..

                                Also read at the time the "funeral" was CLOSED CASKET...HIGHLY likely no one was inside.

                                Great escape Shrink!
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                                • Extra Innings
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-26-10
                                  • 15058

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                  Jimmy Hoffa's response:


                                  Online Gambling: Up in Smoke? More like smoke and mirrors...
                                  In regards to the article that appears in today's Virginian-Pilot submitted by Ms. Kristin Davis, the inaccuracies far outweigh any accurate facts.

                                  Had Ms. Davis done more investigative work on her article, when discussing Ken's mother Marika Somerstein she would have surely found her story as a Holocaust survivor to have added another interesting angle to her story.

                                  Also, even a cursory knowledge of basic mathematics would discover that Ken won $75,000.00 in the Leroy's Money Talks Football Contest. Sixteen entrants each paid a $5000.00 entry fee and the winner took home $80,000.00. Subtracting the entry fee clearly shows that the winner actually only won $75,000.00. To be more precise, Mr. Weitzner actually brought home less than $75,000 as he and Fat Jack Ross agreed beforehand to split the pot.

                                  Furthermore, the article by Ms. Davis labels Ken Weitzner as a "bigshot" in Las Vegas. As one who traveled with Ken in Las Vegas, I can assure you that Ken neither acted like nor was treated like a big shot. We stood in line for cabs like every other tourist in Las Vegas and watched limousine driven "bigshots" pass in front of us. Now by no means was Ken a nickel slot machine player, but by Las Vegas standards he was hardly noteworthy.

                                  Ken Weitzner did not fly all of his employees out to Las Vegas and pay for their accommodations at the Encore. In fact, only two employees went on this particular trip and only one took full advantage of Mr. Weitzner's generous hospitality, one Joseph Vandercook. This came as no surprise to the other members of Mr. Weitzer's staff as Mr. Vandercook is a compulsive degenerate gambler who without Mr. Weitzer's patronage would have never seen the bright lights of Las Vegas. In Mr. Vandercook, Ken Weitzner found a kindred spirit in irresponsible behavior.

                                  Had Ms. Davis not relied on such poor and questionable sources such as Mr. Vandercook, a more accurate representation of Mr. and Mrs. Weitzner would have surely been offered.
                                  While taken individually each inaccuracy looks rather tame. However, the culmination of inaccuracies in their totality serves to show Ms. Davis' article as poorly written, poorly researched and very indicative of small town "journalism".
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                                  • hoopster42
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 02-12-08
                                    • 6099

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by Fishhead
                                    Stilla a chance that they are indeed still alive.


                                    youve lost your mind. the chance is less than 1/10 of 1%. eog has had so many changes,
                                    mofome is gone, etc, etc, etc. man, you are one extremely paranoid dude!
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                                    • Doug
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 6324

                                      #53
                                      Stink was certainly a slippery ******* bastard....anything is possible, but I'm hoping he is really dead.
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                                      • pokernut9999
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 07-25-07
                                        • 12757

                                        #54
                                        He was addicted to drugs, alcohol , and gambling.

                                        He was crooked , stole and was a liar.

                                        And people wonder why this happened ?
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                                        • DrunkHorseplayer
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 05-15-10
                                          • 7719

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Fishhead
                                          The whole story has numerous red flags that it makes for many not to believe what has been reported.

                                          Chances are the absolute truth will never be known by non-family members.
                                          It would require a hell of a conspiracy for them not to be dead; family members, cops, coroner, etc. Think you need to lay off the liquor Fish.
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                                          • ttwarrior1
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 06-23-09
                                            • 28460

                                            #56
                                            anyone that wants him dead just aint right and it must mean they were trying to be shady themselves or owed money
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                                            • Arena Nut
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 08-24-08
                                              • 110

                                              #57
                                              Sad story
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                                              • Holtgetsback
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 01-04-10
                                                • 4655

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by Chuck Sims
                                                The few times I talked to Ken I got a bad vibe. I did not trust him. Did not want anythng to do with him.

                                                Did it ever bother him to steer posters into crooked sportsbooks? The I know the owner, they have deep pockets got laughable after awhile.
                                                Not saying any names but who this sounds like now
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                                                • pico
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 04-05-07
                                                  • 27321

                                                  #59
                                                  i think he still owe jj like 800 dollars. remember jj always talks about kenny owes him money.
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                                                  • SBR_John
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-12-05
                                                    • 16471

                                                    #60
                                                    A sad ending. He ran through his money and then into debt. He could not afford to live.
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                                                    • hoopster42
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 02-12-08
                                                      • 6099

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                                                      It would require a hell of a conspiracy for them not to be dead; family members, cops, coroner, etc. Think you need to lay off the liquor Fish.
                                                      yes, a frame oj type of conspiracy, too many people have to be quiet for it not to get out, i dont believe it
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                                                      • Sforz
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 08-07-08
                                                        • 2221

                                                        #62
                                                        RIP Shrink
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                                                        • nobshine
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 01-12-08
                                                          • 489

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                          Stilla a chance that they are indeed still alive.
                                                          I have my reasons to thnik the same.
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                                                          • rake922
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 12-23-07
                                                            • 11692

                                                            #64
                                                            JJ Gold has like 24 millions posts, and won't post in this thread....... interesting
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                                                            • hoopster42
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 02-12-08
                                                              • 6099

                                                              #65
                                                              he's tired of talking about it, he doesnt care about the debt 'cause The Shrink is no longer, so JJ doesnt want to keep talking about it, rake
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                                                              • nosniboR11
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 09-02-08
                                                                • 10042

                                                                #66
                                                                you can always afford to live
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                                                                • LVBOUND
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 07-25-08
                                                                  • 2658

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Wow just read this thread, what a crazy story to say the least.

                                                                  Not to make light of anything but I cant help but say this, If I was in this much debt my WIFE might kill me she would surely not go out with me.

                                                                  Guys as a cop with an addictive personality I am glad to be clean. I drink a shit load of beer but clean from drugs and liquor.

                                                                  Boys you got to keep you mind CLEAN if you are going to win at the game of LIFE. I do not care what you do as a profession if you got a problem get help now while you can. There is no such thing a rec drug user I will argue this with anybody.

                                                                  Guys I am not talking about weed either.

                                                                  Nowdays the streets are filled with legal crack and its killing our society. This story tells alot, if The Shrink was not on DOPE I do not believe he would have done this.

                                                                  Like a poster above stated he could have sold his house and started fresh?

                                                                  I mean how much did this guy owe? 1 Mill?

                                                                  Anyways, this is a must read for anybody with aspirations to be a pro sports better, poker player or even entrepreneur.

                                                                  Later!
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                                                                  • Extra Innings
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 02-26-10
                                                                    • 15058

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by LVBOUND
                                                                    Wow just read this thread, what a crazy story to say the least.

                                                                    Not to make light of anything but I cant help but say this, If I was in this much debt my WIFE might kill me she would surely not go out with me.

                                                                    Guys as a cop with an addictive personality I am glad to be clean. I drink a shit load of beer but clean from drugs and liquor.

                                                                    Boys you got to keep you mind CLEAN if you are going to win at the game of LIFE. I do not care what you do as a profession if you got a problem get help now while you can. There is no such thing a rec drug user I will argue this with anybody.

                                                                    Guys I am not talking about weed either.

                                                                    Nowdays the streets are filled with legal crack and its killing our society. This story tells alot, if The Shrink was not on DOPE I do not believe he would have done this.

                                                                    Like a poster above stated he could have sold his house and started fresh?

                                                                    I mean how much did this guy owe? 1 Mill?

                                                                    Anyways, this is a must read for anybody with aspirations to be a pro sports better, poker player or even entrepreneur.

                                                                    Later!
                                                                    I'd argue gambling taps into the same processes as a multitude of drugs ranging from sugar to crack to sex to alcohol
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                                                                    • LVBOUND
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 07-25-08
                                                                      • 2658

                                                                      #69
                                                                      EI, You are so correct I do agree there. I try to separate it because at this point (thank god) I can stop playing if I have no money and will not try to get a line a credit when I know I cant pay.

                                                                      I feel that a true alcoholic or drug addict will do whatever to feed their addiction. I will not and that is the main difference. I pray every night that it stays that way.
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                                                                      • flyingillini
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 12-06-06
                                                                        • 41219

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by LVBOUND
                                                                        Wow just read this thread, what a crazy story to say the least.

                                                                        Not to make light of anything but I cant help but say this, If I was in this much debt my WIFE might kill me she would surely not go out with me.

                                                                        Guys as a cop with an addictive personality I am glad to be clean. I drink a shit load of beer but clean from drugs and liquor.

                                                                        Boys you got to keep you mind CLEAN if you are going to win at the game of LIFE. I do not care what you do as a profession if you got a problem get help now while you can. There is no such thing a rec drug user I will argue this with anybody.

                                                                        Guys I am not talking about weed either.

                                                                        Nowdays the streets are filled with legal crack and its killing our society. This story tells alot, if The Shrink was not on DOPE I do not believe he would have done this.

                                                                        Like a poster above stated he could have sold his house and started fresh?

                                                                        I mean how much did this guy owe? 1 Mill?

                                                                        Anyways, this is a must read for anybody with aspirations to be a pro sports better, poker player or even entrepreneur.

                                                                        Later!
                                                                        I like this post even though I disagree. You are a true hero to serve your community!
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