First,they said he Michael and now he has Kobe and that's how he wins.I think the man really knows how to interact with his players and bring out the best in his team.He's a genius
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c'mon people:give Phil some respect.He never got the respect beforeComment -
It helps to have the two greatest players of all times and then throw Shaq and Gasol in the mix I think many coaches would of won at least a few titlesComment -
I'm not saying that it dosen't play a part but let's see the guy who can coach Michael Jordan's attitude and gain his respect.Same thing for Kobe.Comment -
Respect to Jackson!Comment -
With all due respect, I think Phil is overrated as a coach. The famous triangle offense Jackson teams have used was implemented by long-time assistant coach, Tex Winter. Winter even wrote a book on the offense.
After Game 3 against the Suns this year when Phoenix played a zone defense, Jackson had little to no adjustments for it in Game 4. Maybe he can interact well with his players, but his ability with X's and O's is overrated. JMOComment -
extremely over ratedComment -
Overated as well Wojo. Phil is a spokes person.Comment -
Well, he wasn't able to interact very well with Kobe and Shaq forcing the departure of the Big Diesel.Originally posted by will2surviveI think the man really knows how to interact with his players and bring out the best in his team.He's a genius--Comment -
Where is he now? Who did he stick with? GENIUSComment -
why dont we talk about the ones which coached lebron 'better than mj' james to all those rings
they would have never done it without himComment -
cavs need to offer phil atleast 15 millComment -
lets see him win with either the Timberwolves or the Wizards...
And then you can come back and tell me how underrated he is...Comment -
Phil is good managing players, it is not easy to mange fukkin studs.
Although it basically is give ball to MJ or Kobe and go 1 on 5.Comment -
Originally posted by will2survive
i had respect for him a long time ago. phil being called a great coach is very old news to someone like meComment -
great coach, you don't win 10 championships by accident, even if you coach some of the greats.Comment -
auerbach, riley, those guy never had bad teams either, they had superstars
phil jackson = great coach
next subject pleaseComment -
JJ everyday you prove more and more to me what a fvcking idiot you are.Originally posted by jjgoldComment -
Shit even Team USA lost in 2004, its not just about the players....
CoACHING is more than just give the ball to jordan. And yes you need talent to win so those saying try winning with washington need to grow up. But as stated before you dont win 10 rings by your players alone you need to be able to manage them and draw up good game plans etc...Comment -
auerbach
pat riley
kc jones
they all had great players. you dont win championships without having great players
phil jackson > red auerbachComment -
Originally posted by will2survive
I believe most NBA experts would have stuck with Kobe over a much older Shaq!
And, it was not Jackson's decision to trade Shaq. If you recall, Jackson left the Lakers within days after losing to the Pistons in the 2004 Finals. Shaq was not traded to Miami until July 14, 2004, long after Jackson was gone.
(even though the Heat with Shaq were the #1 Eastern seed in the 2005 playoffs and probably would have made it to the Finals if Wade hadn't got hurt in Game 5 of the conference finals. Miami did won it all with Shaq in 2006, the same year that the Lakers, under Jackson, lost to Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs)
Read Jackson's book, "The Last Season", and you will learn that Jackson did not interact with Kobe well and in fact called Bryant "uncoachable".
Do you have any other points you care to make. Will?Comment -
How is it possible for him to be underrated -- He his widely consider one of, if not the,b best coach in NBA history!Originally posted by will2surviveFirst,they said he Michael and now he has Kobe and that's how he wins.I think the man really knows how to interact with his players and bring out the best in his team.He's a genius--
Also, overrating or underrating anything simply mean the rater is biased or ignorant.Comment -
Gryfyn the op is refering to the fact that most people, ignorant people, only feel phil has been good because of his players. Shit when it the last 20 years has a championship not had 1-3 great players or a top 25 calliber player of all time?Comment -
no kobe or no mj
Phil wins ZERO titles
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I would like to see the list of coaches who have loaded teams and don't win championships. Only one of more then 30 teams wins every year. Even if you're team is loaded every year, what are the chances of winning 10 championships in just over 20 or so years in an era with significant player movement and short contracts. It's not just a coincidence. There seems to be a common denominator in a lot of these championship teams.Comment -
JJ--you know your stuff but I have to disagree with you here---Phil is like a coach K---People play hard for him because of the man that he isComment -
Phil has never won a championship without MJ and Kobe, and MJ and Kobe have never won a championship without Phil.Originally posted by jjgold
You don't win 10 titles by being an average coach. Maybe 1 or 2 if you're lucky, maybe 3 if you're really lucky. Not 10. No way.Comment -
no Tim Duncan no titles for popovichOriginally posted by jjgold
no KG Pierce Allen for boston no titles for rivers
and the same for every other coach? Whats ur point JJ? I cud give you the 2004 usa olympic team n u cudnt coach them to 10 rings in 20 years. You prove again what a idiot you are.Comment -
Did Red Auerbach ever win a championship without Bill Russell?Comment -
He isn't the a great game time coach. But he is good with the players outside the game, so he gets respect from them. He is also an amazing team manager; knowing what kind of players to pick up to make his team better.Comment -
Phil may not look like a good coach, but who in there right mind would question winning 10 world championships in less than 25 years. We give Coach K a halo for winning 4 in 30+ years, Bellicheat 3 in 15+ years, Parcells 2 in 15+ years, and Popovich 4 in nearly 15 years, but someone wants to downgrade Phil Jackson, give me a break.Comment -
amenOriginally posted by seaborneqComment -
Originally posted by seaborneq
in nba basketball the best team almost always wins a championship because of the best of seven format. college basketball, nfl these are not good examples because of the one and done. if college hoops was best of seven, coach k would have maybe 7 or 8 titles!Comment -
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Jackson is a very good coach. I firmly believe that. However, to hear people call him the greatest coach of all time or a genius with his use of his triangle offense is just not right. As I stated before in this thread, Jackson had nothing to do with the creation and implementation of the triangle offense.
Jordan takes two seasons off and the Bulls are eliminated in Round 2 both seasons.
Shaq is traded, and when Jackson comes back the following year the Lakers are eliminated in the first round of the playoffs both seasons.
We aren't talking about having the best players of the season. Jackson is fortunate enough to have had two of the best ever players suit up for him.
Jackson is very good. However, for myself, who watches probably 50+ Lakers games a year, I am not that impressed with his in-game adjustments. Nor am I impressed at all with his in-series adjustments (as I stated in an earlier post).
Jackson is not a Mike Brown (not many are that bad), but I just think he is overrated. But, he's still very good. He has had some excellent assistant coaches with him for many years. This is similar to the Boston Celtic situation with Doc Rivers. If you think Boston's defense is so good because of Rivers, you are dead wrong. Tom Thibodeau created that Celtic defense, not Rivers.Comment
