Poll: Which is worse?

[TodaysAction]

[Panekkkk]

[Metalhead]

Does it matter? If someone is down 10 units, they'll just use a 20 unit play. If that fails the magic money fairy always seems to show up so they can have a 40 unit play.

[Dexter]

Does it matter? If someone is down 10 units, they'll just use a 20 unit play. If that fails the magic money fairy always seems to show up so they can have a 40 unit play.

[Darremannen]

loser

[Panekkkk]

They're both just as bad. To be transparent you have to pick your side and unit value. Otherwise it's meaningless (unless you clarify what you mean by "small" "medium" "heavy").

The only exception to not listing unit values is for a guy like pimike, who is consistent and not out to "tout".

[DennisGreen]

Definitely both as bad. I hate both

[blackf1re]

Nobody should tail anyone's picks that fall under either of these categories.

[tbonmusikman]

both are just as bad if you're trying to get recognition and doing it for the purposes of keeping your record here. If you're just discussing a game however, it's not as big of a deal.

[bigsmitty]

I don't think any are bad-I rarely post my wagers since it takes too long to explain my logic and the exact bets or combinations I'm placing. Looking at others plays I could care less what they describe as ten units or weak play or whatever-basically people shouldn't be morons, use posted plays as guidance and run their own numbers relative to their bankroll. Cheers

[bigsmitty]

My post is along the lines of Tbon I suppose. Ciao

[TodaysAction]

Sunday evening bump.

[Rixsaw]

who cares. The only thing that matters is how much my bankroll is up or down at the end of the night. If one list a play with no unit or list the play late and claimed that he is up 10K for the day, all the power to him.

What really annoying is those who tailing blindly asking for plays well before game time instead of just wait to see if the capper have a play.

[Patrickz0rs]

I hate when people say "I am staying away from this game". Usually means they are squares when it comes to sports gambling.

[cro]

i hate when people use the term UNIT

[saints7011]

I feel as if each play should be 1 to 10 units and nothing more , these 20 and 30 unit plays is BS , we could all turn a profit on paper if we give out big unit plays , a 5 unit loss turns into a 10 unit chase and if that misses , a 20 unit play is put out to gain some of the losses on the 5 and 10 unit play , then when asked "why such a big unit play" , the answer is "it's what the system calls for" , doesn't take much to figure out that system...I really don't consider that a system , that to me is a chase...if everyone plays a 1 to 10 unit system , you would see who the good cappers are here...

[Dexter]

nm...

[Grind-It-Out]

I'd say "Listing only teams (no units)" is far worse. The other makes you look stupid, but isn't as harmful. With this one though, a losing better can actually trick people into thinking he is amazing.

I don't care how many units someone bets on a game, as long as it makes sense. For me, 1 unit represents 1% of my bankroll, so my max bet is 5 units. But, I guess it's theoretically possible that I could have a 20 unit bet at some point.

[Jive]

Saying "units" is bogus too, because what is a unit? To one person it is 1% of bankroll, to someone else it is 1.5%, and to yet another person it is 3% or a flat set amount (like $50) for the entire season. So even saying "3 units" is very ambiguous. Saying "normal play," "big play," or "light play" seems to be the best way to go, because that is a clear indication of how confident a person is in his pick. If someone says "Mariners for 5 units," how do you know if this is a heavy or light play? Some people routinely bet 5-10 units on a play, and for them that is normal. Other people may stick to one or two unit plays as standard , and see a 5 unit play from someone else and think, "Wow, he must really like that pick!" when in truth it is just a normal wager.

One unit for me might be .5%, and a unit for you might 2%. Units aren't universal.

IMO, the correct answer is "neither" because we, the SBR members, should be perfectly capable of deciding if a line is worth our investment. No one can pick winners in every sport, so getting advice on picks from someone in a sport that they excel at and you struggle with makes sense. However, EVERYONE should have good money and risk management. Yes, I know they don't, but posting plays with lines, units, and the rest will not help these people, I promise you. Someone with bad money management will make a bad bet, whether the line is -180 or -110. All lines mean to people with poor money management is, "Hey, heavy favorite! They can't lose!!!"

Frankly, posting lines in threads that others are heavily involved in is nothing but trouble. As soon as someone says "Dodgers -170" you will have 3,000 posts asking, "What about at -172? What about at -180? What number is too high? Where did you get -170, I haven't seen that anywhere!" On and on and on it goes. If a person just says "Dodgers," "I like the Dodgers a lot," or "I like the Dodgers for a small play," the readers of the thread can see what lines are out there available to him, and make a decision if he thinks the risk is worth putting down a wager at a given line. Terms like "small" and "heavy" can be universally understood. Units and the rest can mean vastly different things to different people.

[stealthyburrito]

obviously tailing blindly, can't think for yourself then you deserve to lose.

[shoebox]

Saying "units" is bogus too, because what is a unit? To one person it is 1% of bankroll, to someone else it is 1.5%, and to yet another person it is 3% or a flat set amount (like $50) for the entire season. So even saying "3 units" is very ambiguous. Saying "normal play," "big play," or "light play" seems to be the best way to go, because that is a clear indication of how confident a person is in his pick. If someone says "Mariners for 5 units," how do you know if this is a heavy or light play? Some people routinely bet 5-10 units on a play, and for them that is normal. Other people may stick to one or two unit plays as standard , and see a 5 unit play from someone else and think, "Wow, he must really like that pick!" when in truth it is just a normal wager.

One unit for me might be .5%, and a unit for you might 2%. Units aren't universal.

IMO, the correct answer is "neither" because we, the SBR members, should be perfectly capable of deciding if a line is worth our investment. No one can pick winners in every sport, so getting advice on picks from someone in a sport that they excel at and you struggle with makes sense. However, EVERYONE should have good money and risk management. Yes, I know they don't, but posting plays with lines, units, and the rest will not help these people, I promise you. Someone with bad money management will make a bad bet, whether the line is -180 or -110. All lines mean to people with poor money management is, "Hey, heavy favorite! They can't lose!!!"

Frankly, posting lines in threads that others are heavily involved in is nothing but trouble. As soon as someone says "Dodgers -170" you will have 3,000 posts asking, "What about at -172? What about at -180? What number is too high? Where did you get -170, I haven't seen that anywhere!" On and on and on it goes. If a person just says "Dodgers," "I like the Dodgers a lot," or "I like the Dodgers for a small play," the readers of the thread can see what lines are out there available to him, and make a decision if he thinks the risk is worth putting down a wager at a given line. Terms like "small" and "heavy" can be universally understood. Units and the rest can mean vastly different things to different people.

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[Dexter]

obviously tailing blindly, can't think for yourself then you deserve to lose.

was just watching Wall St. Gordon Ghecko's famous line "The Sheep Get Slaughtered Buddy"

[Willie Bee]

I would say having so little of a life as to care what other people are doing instead of focusing on your own life. But hey, some people have so little going on in their own lives I guess, they have a lot of time to concern themselves in the others.

[Grind-It-Out]

I would say having so little of a life as to care what other people are doing instead of focusing on your own life. But hey, some people have so little going on in their own lives I guess, they have a lot of time to concern themselves in the others.

Haha, true, but my guess is that the question was formed based on a "which is more useless" basis. Both of these things make posters' threads less useful to those who tail.

[saints7011]

like sands through the hour glass , so are the days of our lives , maybe a new poll is in store... 1. soaps 2. wwe 3. sbr forums , I'm a little slow sometimes , but I see where all this is directed at now...shame on you guys...

[Shortstop]

I hate when people say "I am staying away from this game". Usually means they are squares when it comes to sports gambling.

I am staying away from this poll.

[pimike]

I would say having so little of a life as to care what other people are doing instead of focusing on your own life. But hey, some people have so little going on in their own lives I guess, they have a lot of time to concern themselves in the others.

GREAT POST!

[therber2]

Unless you have faith in yourself; using those vague terms is better for business and more useful to cover up how you are really doing.

[yisman]

this:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/264170-going-vegas-make-two-large-wagers-nfl-p7.html#post2554527

[blackf1re]

System plays should be added to this poll. There is no such thing as systems in sports betting. You analyse a game, decide with of the two lines has value and place your bet accordingly. Anyone who ignores that and goes with his system regardless of the line should be auto-faded.

[Grind-It-Out]

System plays should be added to this poll. There is no such thing as systems in sports betting. You analyse a game, decide with of the two lines has value and place your bet accordingly. Anyone who ignores that and goes with his system regardless of the line should be auto-faded.

True, but at least when you see someone post a system play you know immediately that they are a joke. Compare this to someone committing one of the above violations where you are still sitting there in the dark as to whether they are a good 'capper or not.

[DennisGreen]

Unless you have faith in yourself; using those vague terms is better for business and more useful to cover up how you are really doing.

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head with this one

[brooks85]

System plays should be added to this poll. There is no such thing as systems in sports betting. You analyse a game, decide with of the two lines has value and place your bet accordingly. Anyone who ignores that and goes with his system regardless of the line should be auto-faded.

tho i agree with that most of the time, that is not 100% true. There is one system out there that works amazing and even if an individual chooses not to use it, ignoring it would be foolish.

[FreeFall]

I think it's worse not to post the line you get, than either of those.

[Cheme82]

A bet should have a line.

Unless you are a flat bettor it should also have some way of gauging the strength of the play. A "unit" is a universal term used because not all people bet the same amounts. Unless the unit range of a bettor is known, the term "unit" is useless. Most bettors that use a unit range would range from 1 to 5 times their amounts. Some people go from 1 to 10 times their amounts. Any range wider than that is just bad news because it means you are probably using a chase system or going all-in.

The relationship between a "unit" and the bankroll is the other thing that is important. A unit could mean 1% of the bankroll, 2%, etc. If you know a handicapper's bets range from 1 to 5 units, and that a unit is 1% of their bankroll then it doesn't matter what his bankroll is with relation to yours, he is giving you all the info that you need to truly tail him.

If you use words like "small, medium, big" then you should clarify what they mean with relationship to the others. Is a medium play the same as 2 small plays? Is a big play more or less than a small play plus a medium play? The problem with words is that it is easier to misrepresent your records. This happened with CK last year when he started using words to rate his plays, yet somehow he will always end up in the plus side. He could lose a big play and win a huge play and he made a profit. The next day his huge play would lose and his big play will win and somehow he will also end up on the + side. A few times he had big chalk that lost SU (sounds familiar) yet he would claim that he also had a smaller play on the opposite team's ML to "tail himself" and somehow he would also end up in the +.

All smoke and mirrors to deceive the clueless. I called him on his bullshiat and I don't remember any moderator defending him with such passion as in this case. I wonder if there is some personal relationship that makes this case different.

To summarize, numbers are better. You can make operations with numbers, last time I checked you cant raise "small" to the "big" power.

Just saying.