Bodog sneaks onto recommended list???

[paul Mordeeb]

Don't look at list every day but did a few weeks ago and didn't see them on it. When did they come back on it???

Noticed their big weekly Poker tournement had their biggest overlay in years this week end. Their Volume must be way down over the musical website domains and pay out delays.

I would recommend Matchbook 1000 times before mentioning Bodog.com, ummm newbodog.com, ummm Bodoglife.com even existed.

I'm sure Bodog appreciates the recommendation!!!

[BigBollocks]

There's an easy reason why bodog continues to be put in the company of far superior books on here, and that simple reason is $$$$.

At one point I asked for SBR to name one "B" book that was truly inferior to bodog, and they admittedly couldn't name one. Bodog's poor treatment of customers, along with their slowpays when other books were paying out in 2-3 days, have no doubt hurt the industry as a whole in isolating small time players who simply will not return. It all comes back around in this industry, and propping up a clearly inferior book only hurts us all in the long term

[SBR_John]

I dont remember seeing your question BB. Every B book is inferior to Bodog thats why they are a B book and Bodog is A-. For smaller players this is absolutely the best book right now. Do you see their lines on http://www.sbrodds.com/? Last night the MNF dog was 1.5 points better than the rest of the screen!

We said early in the year they would not be on the recommended list until they proved they could handle payout volumes into the start of football. They have done a good job on that after the rough summer.

[Wheell]

SBR John: You are a good man and I respect you but Bodog deals dual lines and you know that. SBR Odds lies to bettors because Bodog lies to SBR Odds.

[SBR Lou]

There will always be discrepancies with the ratings. Anybody who is a good people reader and pays attention to what SBR is doing can find when a rating is off, and understand the possible motives for that.

SBR is typically on target, but being a business they will sometimes make marginally unpopular decisions. SBR will never intentionally promote what they consider to be a high risk book.

It is important to understand there is a small element of risk with every book, that's the truth of the matter. Obviously the ones that have stood the test of time and proven themselves deserve their ratings and are pretty damn safe. This isn't speaking for the majority of books. SBR sometimes makes informed decisions on a certain rating with a candidate that is writing checks, even with outstanding issues which would generate criticism.

It's a business, ratings are manipulated some but for the most part like I said it is not the top notch books that it is done to. I doubt any of us really would declare 'NewBodog' or 'Betonline' top notch or Pinnacle/WSEX/Greek etc status.

[paul Mordeeb]

sbrjohn,

Do you honestly feel bodog deserves to be there more than say, betfair, will hill, matchbook. the pig????

I can understand why mabey Bodog over matchbook because more gambling options but that would be it.

[Bill Dozer]

There's an easy reason why bodog continues to be put in the company of far superior books on here, and that simple reason is $$$$.

At one point I asked for SBR to name one "B" book that was truly inferior to bodog, and they admittedly couldn't name one. Bodog's poor treatment of customers, along with their slowpays when other books were paying out in 2-3 days, have no doubt hurt the industry as a whole in isolating small time players who simply will not return. It all comes back around in this industry, and propping up a clearly inferior book only hurts us all in the long term

Bodog has advanced the industry and raised the bar over the years. They forced fellow books to keep bonuses high just to compete. They brought eChecks mainstream. They showed a lot books how to protect themselves without cheating.

Processing has bit most of the books on the list since Neteller. Bodog should have learned by the mistakes of the others but players money is as safe at Bodog as it is anywhere.

[Zeroed]

Every B book is inferior to Bodog thats why they are a B book and Bodog is A-. For smaller players this is absolutely the best book right now. Do you see their lines on http://www.sbrodds.com/? Last night the MNF dog was 1.5 points better than the rest of the screen!

Sorry John, but you are looking very bad with such statements..
as mentioned by someone else already, they deal dual lines ..so only squares who won´t play them anyway most of the times get those "best available lines"..

What does that mean in reality?
Very simple imo..those "small players" in fact pay a lot *more* than they should, because Bodog gives them shitty odds for the (fav.) teams they like.

Shady at best, but i can understand why a book deals dual lines.
What i don´t understand is that a watchdog gives them credit for it

[katstale]

Sorry John, but you are looking very bad with such statements..
as mentioned by someone else already, they deal dual lines ..so only squares who won´t play them anyway most of the times get those "best available lines"..

What does that mean in reality?
Very simple imo..those "small players" in fact pay a lot *more* than they should, because Bodog gives them shitty odds for the (fav.) teams they like.

Shady at best, but i can understand why a book deals dual lines.
What i don´t understand is that a watchdog gives them credit for it

John/Bill, seldom I go against management here--but I have never seen you acknowledge that Bodog offers the two lines--then they lie abt it when asked. It would be different if they came out and said (or you did) "Yes, we give one line to idiots (squares) we are trying to trap into playing here and another line to people we want to go away (sharps). Not everyone who wanders on to your site "knows the score", it supposedly up to you guys to set them straight and to give them the knowledge they need to choose a book that is gonna give them a fair shake.

On all other issues, I give Bodog high marks--but this one area I have always considered slimy and you guys should have called them on it.

[Brick Tamland]

who cares about dual lins? if its not changin after you bet it then what does it matter what Maurice N Chicken gets for lines

[Brick Tamland]

when i give lines to my kids i always add a half point to the patriots and if someone called from Chicago id probably add to the the Bears spred...its my right to book to faces. You cant be a local in the teams backyard and not do it. as long as i dont know what there bet is a head of time it is perfectly fair. if someone is whoopin my ass i charge him -115 on eveything. its his choice if he wants to take it or go somewhere else. if he says but everyone else is gettin 110 i punch him in the stomach

[Zeroed]

who cares about dual lins? if its not changin after you bet it then what does it matter what Maurice N Chicken gets for lines

I don´t, but everyone who rates Bodog should at least mention that. I would be pissed if i was a small fun bettor, and find out that this high-rated book makes me pay more with this little "trick"..

[Brick Tamland]

I don´t, but everyone who rates Bodog should at least mention that. I would be pissed if i was a small fun bettor, and find out that this high-rated book makes me pay more with this little "trick"..

if you r not looking at diffrent odds and are going to bet the favorit no matter what... what do you care? Why is it bodog job to tell you that there are better lines somewhere else and you are a loser?

[Brick Tamland]

and you arent payin a penny more than anyone else becuaes you get the line before u buy. slimey is changin it after or denying the bet

[Zeroed]

if you r not looking at diffrent odds and are going to bet the favorit no matter what... what do you care? Why is it bodog job to tell you that there are better lines somewhere else and you are a loser?

Doh..you are not getting my point it seems.
The question is not if the square cares - this is about SBR and their rating of Bodog. So you don´t agree that dual lines should be mentioned in a *fair* review, instead of praising their "best line on xxx" ?

[Brick Tamland]

SBR Odds is the place where it matters but this square line set went by by for me faster than a promotion and i been kickin there ass with 10 percent bonuses since and they pay me with a smile. bodog still has the best numbers sometime and if u dont know its because u dont play there.

[ShamsWoof10]

As I said before...

SBR ratings = BCS rankings...

[HedgeHog]

SBR John: You are a good man and I respect you but Bodog deals dual lines and you know that. SBR Odds lies to bettors because Bodog lies to SBR Odds.

This from a guy who condones SB in their theft. So BoDog has dual lines. If you don't like the lines they give you, then pass (use your risk/reward model). It's not like they're blatantly stealing.

[jon13009]

Bodog is late with the lines, and stopped giving promotions when the US anti-gambling laws hit. They used to be fast with payouts and had decent customer service. Now it takes around a month to get a check.

However, I have never been stiffed by Bodog, and still feel safe with my money there. I don't keep as much as I used to, but I tried to open accounts with other books and they wanted ** only (5dimes) or bank wires to open a new account.

If you are more than a Rec. player, I imagine Bodog is not the place to be.

[Dead Money]

Not defending but they actually state somewhere that the offer different lines to different players.

I have used the " dual lines" against them many times. Think about it, You bet the fave early in the week at Book A. Take the dog At the end of the week with a 3 point difference at Bodog and not have to worry about getting paid.

In this day and age I think that security of funds is THE most important thing. Bottom line they have a ton of cash, they are an honest book, and they pay.

IMO they deserve to be on the list. They may not be a book for huge players, but they do provide a decent service for a large percentage of gamblers. Poker, Casino, and Sports.

[bigboydan]

Not defending but they actually state somewhere that the offer different lines to different players.

You are correct DM. Calvin has admitted it before. In fact here is the article quote where they say it:

Something that isn't obvious to many customers is the way some online casinos set the odds. Calvin Ayre, founder of Bodog.com, one of the world's biggest sports books, says that computers at his Costa Rican site identify each bettor and then personalize the odds. Such player profiling cannot occur in the legal sports books in Las Vegas because those casinos publish their lines in newspapers. Ayre says the individual odds are nothing more than a high-tech version of the traditional bookie's practice of taking advantage of, say, a Philadelphian's emotional tendency to bet on the Eagles. "They have the choice to take our offer or the other side," or to go to another site, Ayre says.

I personally don't care if a book deals dual lines at all though. I mean if they deal me bad lines I just won't play there anymore plain and simple.

[SBR_John]

They are not goining to give away money to scalpers so they really need dual lines.

But if you are a regular Joe betting $50 - $200, which by the way is about 90% of the players, you will get the good lines.

I know players that have been there for years betting those dogs and getting the free point. Even smart big players can sign up and just linit their bets to a couple of hundred and they are fine. Just dont get greedy, take what they will give you which is a couple of hundred a game and a free point. Its defintely worth it.

[WileOut]

I don't know anything about Bodog because I don't play there, but I will say that not only now but at any time the most important rating factor is safety of your money. The safest books should get the highest rankings. And from what I have heard Bodog is very safe.

As for the personalized lines, it would surprise me to find any online book that did not do this. I dont consider this unfair at all. This is just another reason to keep some money at matchbook. They will always give the market number and usually 1 or 2 other options as well. There seems to be a million reasons to play at matchbook.

Somebody else mentioned this too but if they are giving you different lines you can often take advantage of that with middles.

[Justin7]

I don't mind a book that deals dual lines, but I wish BoDog could post their "sharp" line on SBR Odds as well... Two columns: BoDog, and BoDog sharp.

[Zeroed]

All i read is from you SBR guys is "I don´t mind dual lines".
Guess i´ll have to repeat it: But it would make your reviews more honest and useful if you would MENTION IT THERE. GODDAMNIT
instead of repeating 10x how much fun it is to bet at bodog..