Wasn't this post about RCS?
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So now you're agreeing with John that no A-rated book has gone down. It might take you a little time, but we get there in the end.
I like the fact that you're trying to dish the dirt on others when you're perfectly happy to pump as many players as you can into one of your scams. You're a A+ grade ass, raiders. I think that TOW and SBR would agree on that rating.Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
SBR currently has 28 A rated books which means a top 20 book is an A rated book.
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Bet365 A+ www.bet365.com
BetFair A+ www.betfair.com
BetJamaica A+ www.betjamaica.com
CRIS A+ www.betcris.com
Hollywood107 A+ www.hollywood107.com
Ladbrokes A+ www.ladbrokes.com
Olympic A+ www.thegreek.com
Pinnacle A+ www.pinnaclesports.com
VIP Sportsbook A+ www.vipsportsbook.com
WWTS A+ www.wwtsbet.com
Bodog A www.bodog.com
Bowmans A www.bowmans.com
Coral A www.coral.co.uk
FiveDimes A www.5dimes.com
Gameday A www.betgameday.com
WSEX A www.wsex.com
BetEuro A- www.beteuro.com
BetOnGames A- www.betongames.com
Canbet A- www.canbet.com
Diamond Int (DSI) A- www.2betdsi.com
EuroBet A- www.eurobet.com
InternationalIslandSportsbook A- www.iisportsbook.com
LasVegasSportsbook A- www.lasvegassportsbook.com
Rio A- www.betrio.co.cr
Skybook A- www.skybook.com
Victor Chandler A- www.vcbet.com
WagerOnSports A- www.wageronsports.com
Will Hill A- www.willhill.comComment -
Taco- You get the assclown of the day award.
John- I wasn't trying to pick on you. I was just trying to show that even SBR can get fooled by saying that A and B rated books have tanked. Overall you do a great job and have thje best ratings on the Net. When I've never heard of a book I check here first.Comment -
Jay,
My guess is that the overall liabilty for RCS players isn't that high. ANd it would be exceedingly generous for you to step in. But more than likley most of the players would be players you already had. There might even be players whose limits you have cut for being to sharp. It just wouldn't seem fair to you, to be bailing out everyone. And you bailing out RCS indirectly helps nojuice and ussportsbook and tow. That's why I think it would be nice for nojuice and ussportsbookand TOW to step up if neccessary and help out.Comment -
JayMy concearn is this. Of all the players that I have helped or bailout only a few remembered about betonstars after they finished their rollover.
Jay- This is why I say that you are learning on the job. I've been telling you this since day one when you started doing bailouts. You guys have money so you should be able to withstand these bad decisions but my worry about BOStars is that you will continue to make bad decisions.
Besides bailouts I've been telling you about the huge bonuses. Most guys do the same thing with bailouts and huge bonuses. They meet the requirements and they are gone.
These types of huge bonuses work great for advertising off the forums where you get tons of squares. You guys are trying to go the cheap route by advertising huge bonuses on the forums and getting burned.
I know you won't listen again so school's out for the day.Comment -
Raiders, you just don't get it. Extrapolating the ratings today to try and define a top 20 book all those years ago doesn't work. SBR has not had an A rated book go down. You're unable to prove it since it hasn't happened.Originally posted by raiders72001
If you want to put your money where your mouth is, why not send $1000 to Bill Dozer, SBR_John can do the same and then Bill can decide on who's right? But I guess not, short arms and long pockets eh, raiders?
Anyway, the issue is being diverted here.
You've pumped a book which has (again) collapsed. Even AK, bless his little heart, has offered to put his hand in his pocket. Are you going to put your money where your mouth is and bail out the players? Or are you going to let them rot a la PTS?Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
Taco- I'll bet $1000 that no one gets stiffed from RCS. Now post up the money with Dozer or go away. You add nothing usefull to the forums.Comment -
Raiders, the bet was $1000 on whether SBR had ever had an A rated book go down. You're getting confused again.
But I'm presuming from your statement that you're willing to put up $1000 for each player out of pocket in the case of a RCS failure? That's a good start, raiders.Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
Actually OK, I guess that would be splitting hairs on AcesGold. The Recommended List was much longer in those days. AG was never in the top half.
I will say that SBR and the SBR ratings are much stronger now.
Even so, as ACW suggested in another thread and I certainly agree; we could still see a major failure. I'm not talking about a Bluegrass. I'm talking about a bigger book. A very common theme on the larger failures is a credit operation. There are no buyers for credit/post up combos and that makes them going belly up a higher possibility.Comment -
Very good points on how top books go belly up.Comment -
Raiders,
I don't consider that any of the bailouts was a mistake. Maybe most of the players didn't show any appreciation but at least it showed that we are reliable and it got our name out there. I can assure you that betonstars name got around and by next season thanks to the investments we are making at the moment and the ones we are planning to make things will just get better.
The RCS situation is affecting us. It made a lot of players loose the confidence they had in the rookie project and in "newer" books. That is why I'm trying to figure out the best way to proove to the players that betonstars is not going down and wont go down like other "newer" books are.Comment -
This whole issue I find devastating for the industry. I deposit my own money in a bookmaker account assuming it is safe based on experienced and respected leaders. I'd feel stupid if I were to lose that money to a book that goes down. But more importantly, if I were the one promoting that specific book, considering sending people in a safe environment, only to see them lose their 'investment', due to bad management or plain robbery, I'd feel the one screwing them. And that would be the last offshore book I would ever promote.
I'm not sure if you have any book in mind, John, or if you're only extrapolating, but the idea of an A-rated book going down, with no other recourse for the players than those rollover requirements bailouts, draws a very insecure picture of the whole industry. Encouraging or advising people on which book is safe would suddenly become an impossible task.
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Jay, I think the consensus is that you bailing out players is good marketing in the long run but a major financial risk in the short run. Experienced players will wait and see if you will be able to survive. Since your survival depends of volume, you'd be better off marketing your product to newbies or offline and start bailing out once you've attained a certain level of profitability.
Just an opinion.
MaxComment -
Max, I was actually thinking on investing in RCS... Taking them over and hosting their website as part of betonstars. More or less something like BOS is doing with VO Group. Anyways it seems that everything is going in the right direction with bookthebet. There should be some good news for the players today.Comment -
The latest I have heard is that there is no need for anybody to be a hero. The RCS deal went smooth and final details will be posted by SBR soon.Comment -
More or less...Originally posted by jay88
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More or less cause we are not BetOnSports and we wouldn't take over a company as big as VO Group.. LOL!
Anyways, if I'm not wrong everything is solved for the players and no one should be doing any different rollover than the one they had in RCS.Comment
