Jay- Here's your chance to be a hero

**bigboydan** · 12-27-05, 11:35 PM

Raiders,

Jay has his own worries at this time. give him a chance to sort things out on his end first, before even asking a question like this.

**Brick Tamland** · 12-27-05, 11:36 PM

im sure stars players would be joyed to hear the book would be doubling its whore population. 1 dollar 2 hour sucky sucky long time

**Sam Odom** · 12-27-05, 11:36 PM

why should Jay "do" anything? RCS was a shit book last month and is a shit book today

**natrass** · 12-27-05, 11:38 PM

Raiders, to be fair, is it Jay's fault Rich Coast Sports bummed out? Though it may ve that betonstars are having problems (or not?). You have (quite rightly) questioned the business savvy of bailing out and now you are asking him to do so. Or have I understood you wrongly.

I dont bet US sports but from what Ive read its been a 'squares' season so far but that said it can only underline the reason why noone should ever play at any book rated less than B- on SBR ... has that ever happened?, an SBR B- or better book having its clients have to suck a bailout or sweat their money?

That alone makes any new books fancy bonus twists seem, well, a bad bet full stop.

**natrass** · 12-27-05, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

why should Jay "do" anything? RCS was a shit book last month and is a shit book today

Why is it that you post so little and then do so simply to slag a new book off?

BTW, I am the cynical type.

**mad** · 12-27-05, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by natrass

Why is it that you post so little and then do so simply to slag a new book off?

BTW, I am the cynical type.

I'm thinking it's more of a crack at raiders than the book. Could be wrong, apologies if i am.

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 12:15 AM

1) SBR has had some A and B rated books that have run with players money.

2) I was just curious to Jay's response since he has offered to bail out others.

3) RCS will be fine imo but I'm trying to set up safety nets just in case.

**Concorde** · 12-28-05, 12:43 AM

I agree 100% with Raiders

Just the other day
i heard a boy say
that he was so alone
he was on his own
so i went to him
i said "i'll be ur friend"
then i told him about U
and said
(chorus)
some times i cry
I just go away to hide
i feel so alone
but i'm not on my own
so i'm not that sad
i'm acutoinaly rather glad
i reach out to u
and i hold ur hand
i hope the world will understand
that's all i got wat u think
tell wat u would do next!!

Heroes are made when you make a choice
You could be a hero
Heroes do what’s right
You could be a hero
You might save a life
You could be a hero, You could join the fight
For what’s right for what’s right for what’s right

Many lifes could be saved!

**natrass** · 12-28-05, 12:46 AM

Concorde, whatever you are drinking ... its never gonna be a single!!!

Raiders ... "just curious" ... you are "just curious" whether one book should wade into a another books problems??

**Concorde** · 12-28-05, 12:48 AM

**natrass** · 12-28-05, 12:49 AM

Sorry, concorde, I felt my first response was crap so i edited it ... just so others dont wonder what your response was. If that makes sense.

**Concorde** · 12-28-05, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by natrass

Sorry, concorde, I felt my first response was crap so i edited it ... just so others dont wonder what your response was. If that makes sense.

Dont worry Nat, i am so drunken that i am struggling to read everithing!

**natrass** · 12-28-05, 12:56 AM

That said, i could actually see the video ..

... Raiders running through the flames to save a poor broken punter's life .. while taco is trying to shoot him with a semi-automatic from across the street ... and AK is eating a donut asking where the fire is ...

... and people are on the internet trying to decide if there is a fire or a shootout .. or a picnic.

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 01:02 AM

Natrass- Jay has bailed out worse............It really shouldn't matter as RCS is going to be OK.

**bigboydan** · 12-28-05, 03:01 AM

raiders, Jay's company is probly still going thru a few things from yesterday stuff. so, i'm sure he will answer your question in due time.

AK · 12-28-05, 03:22 AM

jAY AND BETONSTARS ARE SOLID

**pier0** · 12-28-05, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by natrass

That said, i could actually see the video ..

... Raiders running through the flames to save a poor broken punter's life .. while taco is trying to shoot him with a semi-automatic from across the street ... and AK is eating a donut asking where the fire is ...

... and people are on the internet trying to decide if there is a fire or a shootout .. or a picnic.

Post of the Year.

**isetcap** · 12-28-05, 12:15 PM

Yes, that is exactly how I envision AK no matter what the scenario may be!

**SBR_John** · 12-28-05, 12:48 PM

1) SBR has had some A and B rated books that have run with players money.

False and by the way correcting you is getting a bit old.
One book rated B+ at their highest rating went out of business. One book before we had ratings but who was on our top 20 AcesGold went out of business. Thats in nearly 7 years. No A rated books that we have rated has even had a slow pay much less "run off with players money".

Raiders when ever you make a mistake it always seems to exaggerate in a light that looks unfavorable to SBR. Why is that?

**jay88** · 12-28-05, 01:25 PM

It is the first post I read, so I still don't know exactly what is the latest with RCS. Anyways I can tell you that if the deal with BooktheBet doesn't work, we have all the intentions of talking with the RCS management to take them over. No bailout no nothing, players would be playing exactly as they were and finish only whatever rollvoer requirements they have left.

Now my question is this, would you guys keep on playing with RCS or you would just finish your rollover requirements and leave if we took them over?

**tacomax** · 12-28-05, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by jay88

Now my question is this, would you guys keep on playing with RCS or you would just finish your rollover requirements and leave if we took them over?

A bad question to put to the forums. Anyone with money in RCS will say "of course not, we'd stay with you for life".

If you want a definitive answer, then you need to talk with the likes of SBR or other books who have bailed out in the past.

**jay88** · 12-28-05, 01:49 PM

My concearn is this. Of all the players that I have helped or bailout only a few remembered about betonstars after they finished their rollover. Now to take over RCS it would mean to invest a decent amount of money.
In what ways do you think this would benefit betonstars?

**Halifax** · 12-28-05, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by jay88

My concearn is this. Of all the players that I have helped or bailout only a few remembered about betonstars after they finished their rollover. Now to take over RCS it would mean to invest a decent amount of money.
In what ways do you think this would benefit betonstars?

It wouldn't ... probably 75% of the players are the same as who you already have.

And regarding your earlier bailouts of individuals, I think Raiders and maybe some others already mentioned to you that it was a dumb idea, especially if you were hoping / planning to turn those particular individuals into profitable long-term customers.

If a book wants to bail out someone, it should be on terms where the book has a fair shot at making money on the deal, such as a 100% bonus with matching deposit and a 10-15-20x rollover. These bailouts of individuals, without requiring a post-up deposit, are just plain dumb business moves on the books' part.

**tacomax** · 12-28-05, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Halifax

It wouldn't ... probably 75% of the players are the same as who you already have.

Yup. Both BoS and RCS have acquired new players via internet forums. Indeed, both of you are members of the TOW rookie project - I think it's safe to assume that you share a fair proportion of players. I can only think that BoS getting involved in this would be nothing but a goodwill gesture, but that goodwill will cost you a heck of a lot of $s.

**marc** · 12-28-05, 02:24 PM

Jay,

I don't know how many of your players came from TOW, and how many you got from other forms of marketing. I realize there is very little time, but my suggestion to you would be to speak to Roberto, nojuice, and ussportsbooks, and see if you can get a real bailout in place so that players don't have any rollover, and can continue to play and withdraw as they always have. WHile it certianly isn't fair that either you or nojuice or ussportsbook should lose any money because rcs failed, the reality is, if one book in the rookie project fails, it is going to make players hesitant to play at any of the other rookie books. The objective here shouldn't be to try to neccesarily ad a few more cusomters, its really to give players the sense of security that they can play wiht any rookie book and not be afraid of getting stiffed.

TOW has a great opportunity here. IF all of RCS's players can walk away, feelig good about the final outcome, more players will be willing to try out the rookie books. Long term, my suggestion would be to go to Peep and discuss bringing SGA back to life. Ultimatley if you can get a large enough pool of quality rookie books together, that will agree to bail one another out, you could have a real quality program.

But if players are not happy about the outcome, fair or not, I think Stars and the other rookie books will have trouble keeping even thier current players.

**jay88** · 12-28-05, 02:35 PM

If we are talking about a bailout I don't see why I would need help from anybody else, we could handle them. The idea here is to take them over and not having any player do any rollover. I think that we need to give Roberto and RPM some time to figure the best way out for the players. Anyways I have already talked to RPM yestarday night and if the deal with bookthebet is not fair for the players Betonstars will step in to see what we can do.

**bigboydan** · 12-28-05, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by jay88

In what ways do you think this would benefit betonstars?

Jay, Like you mentioned to me before. It would give you free publicity for one thing. the other is free advertising via the forums if you were to extend an offer like this.

the negitive of doing this is, the fact that it could put a big financial strain on you at some point. then you have to ask yourself. is it worth the risk to do this and, is it fair to your current customers ?? ...

my honest opinion on this matter one is. no, it is not worth the risk based on the history of books that have tried this type of publicity in the past. helping out posters in a spot type situation is one thing. but, not a mass type situation like this is probly not a good thing in the long run, if you want to try to assure bussiness success.

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 02:38 PM

John- What was the highest rating that Aces Gold and PanAM had?

**jay88** · 12-28-05, 02:43 PM

Thanks for your advices... If RCS agrees we'll take a look at their numbers and we'll study a solution based on that.

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 03:04 PM

John said that I was bullshitting about A aand B rated books going under so I'll produce proof.

TOW

Like John could on Blue Marlin ( B- on SBR two days before going belly up, I told him )

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 03:06 PM

John- Do you consider a book like Aces Gold that was on your top 20 list an A rated book?

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 03:08 PM

TOW

Had Betpanam at B on his recommended list till problems began. No one is perfect Nets, apart from the fact that I had warned John at the end of November about Panam. More or less the same time when he placed them on his recommended list.

**tacomax** · 12-28-05, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

John said that I was bullshitting about A aand B rated books going under so I'll produce proof.

TOW

Dearie me, raiders. Is this too difficult to keep up with? Didn't you read john's post or do you only read what you want to see?

Originally posted by SBR_John

One book rated B+ at their highest rating went out of business. One book before we had ratings but who was on our top 20 AcesGold went out of business. Thats in nearly 7 years. No A rated books that we have rated has even had a slow pay much less "run off with players money".

I think John is asking for proof that an A rated book has gone under - care to provide any proof or can we assume that it's another lie from raiders?

**raiders72001** · 12-28-05, 03:12 PM

SBR changed their rating system. Originally they didn't have A, B, C, D, F rated books. Aces Gold was in their top 20 which corresponds to an A.