Nine/MyBookie/Granny Scammers STIFFED me for 20 large.

[JC]

Question for Lou

Lou, I assume that your dealings with GCS and the video equipment took place AFTER they scammed all of those granny's.

Didn't you have a problem being involved with them? It didn't go against your moral fiber at the time to do business with granny scammers? Was it only after you felt you had been robbed that you developed such a powerful moral compass?

[Louie Diamond]

Question for Lou

Lou, I assume that your dealings with GCS and the video equipment took place AFTER they scammed all of those granny's.

Didn't you have a problem being involved with them? It didn't go against your moral fiber at the time to do business with granny scammers? Was it only after you felt you had been robbed that you developed such a powerful moral compass?

Dear Jay Cohen,
One doesn't go on vacation to Vegas at 19 with $100 bill in their pocket, wind up living there for 20 years and doesn't end up meeting a few characters from all walks of life. I know many Granny Scammers who did some time. Vegas during the 80's and 90's offered 2 types of jobs, if you didn't deal cards you worked in a phone room. Vitimins rooms were the Granny Scammers and Sports rooms were the touts. Many worked both. (FTR, I never sold vitimins) My sports office was in the same complex as the states biggest phone room (800 employees). A great deal of the granny scammers were actually good hearted people deep down, but were too young and dumb to know the consequenses of their actions. Greed simply got the best of them. I tried to keep an open mind with everyone after they got out. Many learned that what they did was wrong, paid their debt to society and moved on by making a conscience effort to do the right thing. Many come back out just looking for ways to keep stealing. As soon as they robbed me, it was evident which way they chose to live. In fact, wasn't Bobby busted AFTER they robbed me...as well as them trying to scam players for hundreds of thousands of $$$$...hmmmm. There may be a trend brewing here.

Trust me Jay, you can't touch me with street knowledge. I know I was robbed. You saw Major Wager take bribe money from Grand Central 1st hand, it should be clearly evident to you also. You also know it wasn't above Granny Scammers to pay off anyone to shut me up. But you never once saw them try deny my merchandise was confiscated by the secret service from their programmers property.

That's right guys SECRET SERVICE. Think about that when you give Nine.com your info.

Jay,
Major Wager was built on bribes from Nine.com/Granny Scammers payng them off. You sat back and watched it from the front row while you claim to be an advocate for the industry. Never once questioned Major Wager. You've seen Nine.com take many 'shots' at the players trying to steal their money. Now,..... all these years later...... you come back with this lame attack at me and yet not one question for the blatant theives themselves? The funniest part may be that it took you 5 years to think up a question that was answered 5 years ago.

And please, tell us, what does your questions have to do with me getting robbed by them?

Are you sure you're not sour with me because I called you out on taking a shot at Pinnacle with your "reduced juice will be the end of bookmakers" propoganda, eventually causing a run on their bank?

Btw, how's Pinnacle doing these days? Someday you may want to apologize for causing that run. You know they're too classy to call you out on it.

But don't worry. I'm not.

[nine.com]

Hi Lou,

thank you for posting .

I would have to disagree with your post that Nine/mybookie /Gcs owes you $$$. You may recall that you were paid 5k in cash 4 or 5 years ago.

The payment was an act of goodwill as we never felt we were responsible for the unfotunate loss of your equipment. I did however consider you a friend and felt the 5k would sooth the bad blood at the time.


From what I recall is you made a deal to lease garage space to use as an office /studio and lost the
equipment because you failed to pay the agreed upon rent.

We did not own the space nor was the man employed by us he was hired to film video shows under your supervision which were to be aired on the internet.

It is unfortunate that you refuse to take personal responsibilty for your own actions.

We wish you the best in all your endeavors.



Mike




It is unfortunate that you feel compelled to continue this tirade. I wish you all the best in your ventures

[Louie Diamond]

Mike,
I guess the lies will just never stop with you. As you know the $5000 was a payment to make up or the bounced check that you wrote for the leads I sold you MONTHS prior to any video arrangement. Cheech kept the video equpiment because you wouldn't pay. It's as simple as that.

What is truly amazing is that it has taken you 7 years to even acknowledge anything. It's painfully obvious you came in here because SBR John stated how you ran away from the issue, as well as a few other events. For the past 7 years all you are ever interested in was paying people off to shut me up. And guess what, I haven't shut up yet and you know damn well that until you make good on your word I never will. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knows you owe me. And I think you know by now that I could give 2 shits what a bunch of degenrate and mindless gamblers think. I'm not in the biz anymore. I have nothing to lose Micheal, these posters are of no value to me. Are you sure that you really want to keep fighting that?

Remember Mike, whether the long term posters care about this issue or not it won't make them blinded by your lies and all the bullshit you guys have tried to pull on the players. If you had an argument you would have used it years ago. They know this.

I certainly hope you gave the boys at Leisure a discount for dealing with me, because it doesn't die until I die. (And you better hope I look both ways, because you're the 1st place they would look) Leisure can sing the 'previous owner' song all day long. It will only make them look stupid. You also know I could've given 10 times the headache than the one you have by taking this further than these boards. Luckily for you, neither of us needed that. BUT, now that the company is public as well as a few other headaches....things sure have changed.

You have my numbers. If you want to be a man and work this out, use it. Other than that, I'm real sick of doing this on these boards and it playing your way. So now I think I'm ready to turn things up a notch. Ball is in your court Micheal. You now have your last chance to do the right thing here.

P.S.
in Major's post Lou Diamond is a rat You see Major talking about a book being investigated. You know it was your book for credit card fraud and you know Clevfan was the one who started it. She hammered me for weeks to get some dirt on you. And you know she didn't get anything from me that wasn't already on the net. I realize everyone knows Major is full of shit, but you know I'm not a rat. If I ever had a reason to rat someone, you gave me the perfect out. Why haven't you set the record straight? The truth could've gone a long way. And why do you let Major hammer our good buddy? Here's a guy that could have saved 5 years but didn't. You know that. Have a little fvcking courtesy.

Hey Jay Cohen,
Are you enjoying your dose of shut the fvck up?

[Louie Diamond]

A few other things Mike.

Clevfan works(ed) for some credit card fraud division.

You were investigated for credit card fraud.

Whether you like this or not. As soon as you paid off Major to go against me instead of defending yourself like a man. He became your voice. Not one of your brightest moves.

Clevfan now works for your voice.

Lastly Mike,
Friend? Your MO has always been to make a deal, complain/stiff, negotiate a low-ball offer with signing off on some one-sided piece of scrap paper. After the your years on these boards, everyone now has witnessed this first hand, a few times. Think real hard back to why you owed me 5 dimes. You bounced a check and were giving me no choice to agree to whatever you said just to get my 5 dimes that was origianlly owed. Friends do that? For those who may care. It had nothing to do with any video.

[JC]

Hey Lou,

I asked you a direct question. In the first part of your post you actually gave a well thought out and honest answer, then you went on one of your delusional rants. It really didn't warrant a response, as I'm confident your next one won't either.

I don't care about your "street knowledge" and if the secret service has your equipment take it up with them. If you were so "street smart" and your allegations are correct, you should have seen it coming. Isn't there a saying, "If you lay down with dogs, you're going to get fleas?"

Nobody cares about your alleged complaint, it's a he said/he said situation. It is fruitless to keep arguing your beef on the forums. But you don't have the brains to notice.

You are a loser by any objective standard. You're a nobody. You're not even a "Has been," you are a "Never was." Carry on with your life, it's obvious to anyone here it is miserable to be you.

[natrass]

So this is all about a garage rental gone bad?

Five years ago????

Hilarious.

[Louie Diamond]

Hey Lou,
If you were so "street smart" and your allegations are correct, you should have seen it coming. Isn't there a saying, "If you lay down with dogs, you're going to get fleas?"

I spent in 1 night in jail for driving without insurance when I was 19. How many nights have you spent there, ol sharp one? I'm fairly confident my allegations are 100% accurate.

Nobody cares about your alleged complaint, it's a he said/he said situation. It is fruitless to keep arguing your beef on the forums. But you don't have the brains to notice.

Brains? You might want to re-count those nights in jail again. And when did God assign you the job of answering for everybody?

Honestly, someday I hope you understand. You sat back and watched a watchdog cover-up me getting robbed while claiming to be an advocate. You are as much at fault of this fued continuing thru the years as as anybody. If you really wanted this to end, you wouldn't stood up for the right thing years ago. Unfortunatly, it seems you're to underdeveloped to understand logic.

[/QUOTE=JC]
You are a loser by any objective standard. You're a nobody. You're not even a "Has been," you are a "Never was." Carry on with your life, it's obvious to anyone here it is miserable to be you.[/QUOTE]

I'm delusional, yet you claim you're talking to nobody. And think about this, this nobody beat the bookmaker for 500 picks when the cameras rolled. A feat unmatched in sports picks by anyone at anytime. Whether a 'somebody' like you cares or not. It's a fact that 'somebody' like you can't deny.

What did you do? Blatently break the law, waited for degenerates to call you, take a 20% edge over them, get caught and be taken away from your family and freedom for years over a few bucks?? You're a real fvcking genious Jay.

If that's being a winner. I'll take other 'somebodies' having the opinion of me being the "delusional loser never been" any day of the week.

[JC]

I'm delusional, yet you claim you're talking to nobody. And think about this, this nobody beat the bookmaker for 500 picks when the cameras rolled. A feat unmatched in sports picks by anyone at anytime. Whether a 'somebody' like you cares or not. It's a fact that 'somebody' like you can't deny.

HA HA

You just proved my point. Your comment about your 500 picks reminds me of Al Bundy on Married with Children. Al loved to brag about his high school football record. "Back in high school, I ran for 4 touchdowns in one game." Is that your one achievement in life? Congratulations! Every once in a while, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

You are a glorified boiler room employee at best. That's is as good as it will ever get for you.

Have you ever really listened to yourself? I really think you need help. If you are not careful you will turn into one of these crazy people walking down the streets mumbling about granny scammers. I can't imagine you have any friends but there must be some people who come in contact with you every few days. What do they think?

Ooh, not my criminal situation. Please don't tell anyone.

My ordeal is well documented, you can't offend me with it. I ran a legal business in another country licensed and regulated by a sovereign nation. I am very comfortable with my choices in life. But you are too stupid to see the difference between legitimate businesses and the boiler rooms you are all too familiar with.

I'll say again, you are a loser by any objective standard. You're a nobody. You're not even a "Has been," you are a "Never was." Carry on with your life, it's obvious to anyone here it is miserable to be you.

[quarm_]

umm i care about Louis´ complaint...i like getting infos about books, thats what SBR is all about for me...
nine was close to shit book status anyway, dunno how it is now but if they got that B only because VIP bought them i dont care

[Louie Diamond]

Quarm,
Say it isn't so...JC just said that nobody cared. Either he's wrong, or your just a nobody. But even JC is a somebody. hmmmmmm.

Little busy right now. I'll get you the details a little later.

[SBR_John]

It's good to see Mike N. check in.

I'm glad to see a payment was made even if Lou thinks it was not enough to square the deal.

As I've said over the years, every business has things go against them. I'm sure I would be rich if I had a penny for every dollar Mike has been stiffed for. Even good ole SBR has been stiffed. It's kind of a cost of doing business. Lou's became personal for a lot of reasons and I dont blame him for some of them. Peter who was GC's manager who posts as All-in at MW was a fraud, a liar and a rat and that only describes his good side.

[Brick Tamland]

i stopped reading about half way threw when i saw it was a bussiness deal and caneras. i am all for hearin the dirt but i dont really give a shat about sportsbook business deals with eachother. When someone comes in a players forum and crys they were stiffed i jumped the gun and assumed this had somethin to do with playing at the book. whata dumbass i am.

[natrass]

I agree Brick, couldnt they just pm each other?

The only possible input I could give here is to say if you rent a garage then remember to keep it locked and secure. Maybe use a chain and padlock as an extra precaution.

[Louie Diamond]

If I'm a nobody and noone cares why did Jay come in this thread? Sharp guy that Jay.

HA HA

You just proved my point. Your comment about your 500 picks reminds me of Al Bundy on Married with Children. Al loved to brag about his high school football record. "Back in high school, I ran for 4 touchdowns in one game." Is that your one achievement in life? Congratulations! Every once in a while, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

You are a glorified boiler room employee at best. That's is as good as it will ever get for you.

Jay,
You certainly are entitled to have an opinion about me. But, no matter what you think I am...You're just a fvcking bookmaker who got busted. You prey on degenerates and get 20% the best of them before they even say hello. And than you cry that you can't survive on that. Pretty sad when even a moron like Major can be a bookmaker but you struggle with that 20% edge.

Have you ever really listened to yourself? I really think you need help. If you are not careful you will turn into one of these crazy people walking down the streets mumbling about granny scammers. I can't imagine you have any friends but there must be some people who come in contact with you every few days. What do they think?

They never heard of you but can't imagine why you've attacked me when I was the one that was robbed. They figure I must have hit a nerve with you on another subject. Maybe it was exposing you for UNJUSTIFIABLY causing a run on Pinnacle (your competitor) ...be sure to come back and tell us you're not associated with WSEX. Maybe it was for not buying into your Martyr roll (JC)

Whatever it was, it has you blinded from justice. Pretty ironic, huh?

Ooh, not my criminal situation. Please don't tell anyone.

Again, too feeble-minded to understand. Here I'll help. My comment wasn't about exposing that you went to jail. It was about you claiming that I'm not too sharp, while you're the one that did time. Hope that helps.

My ordeal is well documented, you can't offend me with it.

Same here. Wish you were just a little smarter, it would save us both some time.

I ran a legal business in another country licensed and regulated by a sovereign nation. I am very comfortable with my choices in life. But you are too stupid to see the difference between legitimate businesses and the boiler rooms you are all too familiar with.

And this must be why you did time and I haven't. Sharp as a

Btw, feel free to expose all the illegitimate business I have worked for or operated. Don't disappear Jay, because we wouldn't want you to become a liar. Ask Clev for some help. She's been promising the scoop for months now. She's gotta have something, no?

[/QUOTE]
I'll say again, you are a loser by any objective standard. You're a nobody. You're not even a "Has been," you are a "Never was." Carry on with your life, it's obvious to anyone here it is miserable to be you.[/QUOTE]

And I'll say this again. You certainly are entitled to have an opinion about me. But, no matter what you think I am. You're just a fvcking bookmaker who got busted. You prey on degenerates and get 20% the best of them before they even say hello. And than you cry that you can't survive on that. Pretty sad when even a moron like Major can be a bookmaker but you struggle with that 20% edge.

You know the difference between your last repetitive comment and mine. Yours is an opinion. Mine is fact. Go ahead read it again. Take all the time your little mind needs. It won't change.

It's good to see Mike N. check in.

I'm glad to see a payment was made even if Lou thinks it was not enough to square the deal..

John,
That payment was for a check written MONTHS prior to any video arrangement. It was to cover a *bad* check written by them. It's the same game he played with that player by stiffing him for $85,000 until it hit the boards. Than muscling him to sign off on $30,000. That's his MO. YOU KNOW THAT!

As I've said over the years, every business has things go against them. I'm sure I would be rich if I had a penny for every dollar Mike has been stiffed for. .

What's the point of this comment. He can stiff anyone he wants?

Even good ole SBR has been stiffed. It's kind of a cost of doing business. Lou's became personal for a lot of reasons and I dont blame him for some of them. Peter who was GC's manager who posts as All-in at MW was a fraud, a liar and a rat and that only describes his good side.

You know I don't like Peter/Gary. But I've never know him to be a rat. Who did he rat on John? Don't be like that scumbag Major. I know Major doesn't get this but you should....if there's a rat, there has to be someone that was ratted on.

I ran into him at the Tap House the other day. He was 3 sheets to the wind, hadn't showered in days, and looked awefully depressed. It was 4:30pm. I'd be willing to bet that Mike was trying to squeeze him out and replace him with a $3 p/h clerk and things turned from there.

And FTR John, I never pressured Mike into paying me for the shows not produced. I just wanted my stuff back. There was some personal stuff that couldn't be replaced as well as 10 dimes in brand new equipment freshly bought on credit. Wasn't much fun paying that off every month. It's not very nice not to have things that were given to me by people close to me who are no longer with us. Things that meant absolutely nothing to someone else. Nine.com, now there's some real class.

Btw, where'd they go. Tossed up a few more lies and ran away again? hmmmmmm.

[natrass]

Didnt even read the above but was thinking its like seeing two guys in a supermarket carpark arguing about a parking space. Even the casual bystanders are getting bored.

You need to up the ante here fellas. "Im gonna come over there and XXXX", "Oh yeah, well, Im gonna come over there and XX you!". Stuff like that.

Maybe some sort of head=to=head quiz could solve it? The winner is in the right, the loser is in the wrong.

I dont mind setting the questions.

[SBR_John]

John,
That payment was for a check written MONTHS prior to any video arrangement. It was to cover a *bad* check written by them. It's the same game he played with that player by stiffing him for $85,000 until it hit the boards. Than muscling him to sign off on $30,000. That's his MO. YOU KNOW THAT!

OK. Thats not right then.

On Peter; he is very tight with russ to this day. He is a very brave man behind a keyboard. Otherwise, he is a scammer and a rat and I'm all-in on the subject. Its a waste of time and too many years aged to talk about that fool.

As to loss's in business; so its different. My point is still the same: They happen, you get stolen from, conned, lied to and ripped off. If you dedicated the same amount of time toward earning instead of chasing a stiff you would have created an empire potentially, who knows? Chasing stiffs cost the most precious commodity of all; time.

Maybe we can make an out of court settlement right here. Make a reasonable settlement offer assuming you even want to settle. It seems likely it will be turned down but lets try. Mike seems reasonable. So what is a fair settlement Lou?

[bigboydan]

Maybe we can make an out of court settlement right here. Make a reasonable settlement offer assuming you even want to settle. It seems likely it will be turned down but lets try. Mike seems reasonable. So what is a fair settlement Lou?

i too would like to hear a fair settlement type offer as well Lou. hopefully Mike will take you up on it, so we can put this issue to rest once and for all.

[JC]

Lou,

Since you are so smart, could you please explain how bookmakers have a 20% edge? Last time I checked the hold at a book offering 11 to win 10 was approximately 4.5%. I guess you are so sharp you use a better type of math than the rest of us.

You are right, my comment below is an opinion. Just like your comments about me are your opinions. You have proved the age old saying, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

And still, you are a loser by any objective standard. You're a nobody. You're not even a "Has been," you are a "Never was." Carry on with your life, it's obvious to anyone here it is miserable to be you.


To the others,

For some reason Lou isn't evolved enough to use something called the courts to recover his money. My guess is he either has no case or can't come up with the filing fee. Even if the other side didn't show he could get a default judgment which would carry more weight than the verbal diarrhea he has been dumping on the forums.

If you had a legitimate claim against someone for $20,000, would you sue the man in court or spend your life posting about it on the internet for five years?

[Louie Diamond]

Lou,

Since you are so smart, could you please explain how bookmakers have a 20% edge? Last time I checked the hold at a book offering 11 to win 10 was approximately 4.5%. I guess you are so sharp you use a better type of math than the rest of us.

Let's see. Player laying -110 means bookmaker gets +110. Spin it however you want. You get about a 20% edge from hello.

You are right, my comment below is an opinion. Just like your comments about me are your opinions. You have proved the age old saying, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. ?

Wrong Jay, yours is opinion mine is fact.

And still, you are a loser by any objective standard. You're a nobody. You're not even a "Has been," you are a "Never was." Carry on with your life, it's obvious to anyone here it is miserable to be you.

Jay, I'm fine. I hope you overcome your little self esteem issue soon.

To the others,

For some reason Lou isn't evolved enough to use something called the courts to recover his money. My guess is he either has no case or can't come up with the filing fee. Even if the other side didn't show he could get a default judgment which would carry more weight than the verbal diarrhea he has been dumping on the forums.

If you had a legitimate claim against someone for $20,000, would you sue the man in court or spend your life posting about it on the internet for five years?

Jay, in case you haven't noticed. Bookmaking is illegal in the states. Some have actually gone to jail. Where I come from only a rat would bring an illegal bookmaker in front of a judge.


John and Dan,
Of course I would like this settled. I lost 10 dimes in actually merchandise. Personal treasures that can't be replaced. 10 dimes in promised work and 7 years of hardship chasing my money.

What do YOU GUYS think is fair?

[Louie Diamond]

Brick and others concerned about Nine.com history on players should read these threads. It clearly shows their MO of taking shots at players.

MyBookie Stiffing player for $85,000 and MyBookie should be kicked out of Rx

For Quarm and others interested in my story, here's a little insight.

The story is real simple. Nine.com hired me years ago to do video shows for them. They wanted me to use their video guy and bring my video equipment to this strangers house. Mike said, "don't worry, I grew up with this guy. I'm trying to help him make a couple bucks. I'll vouch for him." I said fine but I don't want to do this for 1 or 2 shows. If I do this it's for 20 shows. He said deal. Well, I didn't know I was moving me stuff to Cheech's freebase emporium. To make a long story short, Cheech's work sucked, Mike complained that the quality sucked and than bailed from the deal. He stiffed Cheech. Cheech than wouldn't return my video equipment. After getting stiffed from his childhood buddies at 9.com Cheech became so broke he printed $5 bills off his computer to buy smokes...before you know it, the Secret Service is confiscating all my merchandise (as well as all his stuff). I tried to be an adult an work this out. Mike has proven countess times he would rather pay off people than pay me. 1st he paid off Shrink. Than I posted a bounced check from them. 2nd was Major Wager. Guess who Major Wagers 1st advertiser was? Yep, the Granny Scammers themselves. MW, The Watchdog, was born on a cover-up and a payoff. This cannot be denied. My video equipment was worth about $10,000. Our 20 show deal was for another $10,000.

[natrass]

Im sure if one of you said sorry first then the other one would.

You'd probably end up laughing about it all.

[bigboydan]

John and Dan,
Of course I would like this settled. I lost 10 dimes in actually merchandise. Personal treasures that can't be replaced. 10 dimes in promised work and 7 years of hardship chasing my money.

What do YOU GUYS think is fair?

Thats upto Mike to decide that Lou.

I'm just hoping Mike might be willing to offer you a "fair" counter offer. or a counter offer of some kind. then maybe you guys can settle somwhere inbetween.

[SBR_John]

OK let's throw the 10 dimes out to Mike. I actually think its a reasonable offer. Mike's case rests on it was not his property that the equipment was lifted from and Mike's case is probably legally sound.

For example if you pull up to the SBR office in San Jose, Costa Rica and deliver us our beloved coffee and someone steals your coffee truck are we responsible?

Now if we tell you that a good place to park is right here and you follow our advice and the truck is stolen is it any more our fault?

However, the above examples do not inolve equipment. But I doubt Lou would have any real chance of winning a judgement in a legal court room.

However part II, I think Mike should close the gap and compensate Lou for this reason: Lou was a contractor that went to Costa Rica. Folks this is not Kansas. Lou desreved and should have reasonably expected Mike's people to help him and keep hin and his equipment safe. Therefore, Mike should consider this ancient case and make amends.

[Louie Diamond]

OK let's throw the 10 dimes out to Mike. I actually think its a reasonable offer. .

John the only reason why it could be considered reasonable is because it's a 7 year old debt. Remeber, there's a considerable amount of hardship that has been caused that wouldn't be compensated.

Mike's case rests on it was not his property that the equipment was lifted from and Mike's case is probably legally sound. For example if you pull up to the SBR office in San Jose, Costa Rica and deliver us our beloved coffee and someone steals your coffee truck are we responsible? Now if we tell you that a good place to park is right here and you follow our advice and the truck is stolen is it any more our fault? However, the above examples do not inolve equipment. But I doubt Lou would have any real chance of winning a judgement in a legal court room.

Apples and oranges. Mike vouched for the guy. Mike is a bookmaker. In the States they only have their word.

However part II, I think Mike should close the gap and compensate Lou for this reason: Lou was a contractor that went to Costa Rica. Folks this is not Kansas. Lou desreved and should have reasonably expected Mike's people to help him and keep hin and his equipment safe. Therefore, Mike should consider this ancient case and make amends.

FTR, this was not in Costa Rica. Don't see how that would matter much anyway.

I'd also like to state that I do appreciate you making an effort to resolve this instead of attempting a MAJOR cover-up.

Let's hope Mike comes to his senses.

[natrass]

Did you not insure your equipment?

[Louie Diamond]

actually, I had a bookmaker vouch for it.