Nine/MyBookie/Granny Scammers STIFFED me for 20 large.

**pags11** · 12-26-05, 09:52 PM

Louie, if you could explain more what happened, that'd be great...

**BrentCrude** · 12-27-05, 10:20 AM

O.K.a little humor here.Is this Louie De Palma from Taxi posting here?Louie Diamond talks-writes a little like Louie De Palma.Remember the episode when Louie and the bunch got laid off and Louie became a stock broker?Louie used to cold call perspective clients and talk like Louie Diamond and his boss fired him even though he was a success because he said he was a character right out of Guys and Dolls with his tactless high pressure tactics and way of communicating.Personally I get a kick out of and like characters like Louie De Palma and Louie Diamond.Where I live everyone is of the stoic Scandanavian variety.Yikes,I feel like Ray Leota in Goodfellas telling Joe Peschi he's funny.

**Louie Diamond** · 12-27-05, 03:19 PM

Pags,
John knows I got ripped off. Just would like to see him explain why I shouldn't get paid.

Brent,
You're somewhat close. Nine/MyBookie/Granny Scammers have been convicted of 2 types of telemarketing fraud

1. bilking senior citizens of their life saving

2. scamming investors on securities fraud.

Not to mention trying to scam a player out of $85,000

how they can even be a B is beyond me. but such goes they life of degenerates, whores and their followers.

**Louie Diamond** · 12-28-05, 04:45 PM

Is John on vacation?

**Trouble Maker** · 12-28-05, 04:55 PM

hey louie why dont you explain what the hell your talking about so someone can take you serious

**pags11** · 12-28-05, 06:57 PM

yeah, I'd like to hear...I've researched nine.com and think they are alright...I'd like to hear what has happened...

**Louie Diamond** · 12-29-05, 01:12 PM

Guys,
I don't have the time to chase these scumbags anymore. I only have time to inform the newbies to stay away. Lots of other options than with these scumbags. Look at it this way, if I was full of sh!t John would have denied knowing anything about it by now. Silence can be deafening.

Forget about my 20 dimes. Just ask the about the *fraud convictions* or trying to scam a player for 85 dimes.

btw, no offense here but only losers are allowed to play there. That is fact. If you're still playing there after 1 week they consider you a LOSER, SUCKER, MORON, FOOL. Did you know this Pags? Is that who you want to send your money to?

Can anybody deny this?

John? back from vacation yet?

**natrass** · 12-29-05, 03:16 PM

So, what you are saying, is you have absolutely no substance to your rant other than you want to call them scum, etc.

Kind of a waste of time posting that.

Nine.com still seem good.

**Chuck Sims** · 12-29-05, 05:45 PM

I can confirm two of three Louie Diamonds statements:

1. Yes, MyBookie/Nine.com has a losers only policy. They profile their customers. You can play there if you are a loser/sucker. Nine.com will readily admit it too as all people that win get their accounts closed with an e-mail explaining their policy of losers only.

2. Yes, MyBookie STIFFED a bettor of $85,000. Apparently this bettor was a loser in the past so MyBookie let him make large wagers. He caught a hot streak, when the player requested his money, MyBookie STIFFED him. After weeks of negative posting by myself and others, the book rolled over and paid.

**natrass** · 12-29-05, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

I can confirm two of three Louie Diamonds statements:

1. Yes, MyBookie/Nine.com has a losers only policy. They profile their customers. You can play there if you are a loser/sucker. Nine.com will readily admit it too as all people that win get their accounts closed with an e-mail explaining their policy of losers only.

2. Yes, MyBookie STIFFED a bettor of $85,000. Apparently this bettor was a loser in the past so MyBookie let him make large wagers. He caught a hot streak, when the player requested his money, MyBookie STIFFED him. After weeks of negative posting by myself and others, the book rolled over and paid.

Thats hilarious.

I can confirm that nine.com actually double your winnings if you are on a hot streak. They have done this countless times, especially if they think you are sharp.

Of course, like yourself, I just made that up.

All rather pointless posts.

You are only making nine.com look better and better if their detractors are so stumped for facts.

**Louie Diamond** · 12-29-05, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by natrass

Thats hilarious.

I can confirm that nine.com actually double your winnings if you are on a hot streak. They have done this countless times, especially if they think you are sharp.

Of course, like yourself, I just made that up.

All rather pointless posts.

You are only making nine.com look better and better if their detractors are so stumped for facts.

Ok! Ok! You've talked me into it.

Here's fraud #1
Michael Garganese aka, Mike Nichols

EMBARGOED UNTIL 12:30 P.M. (EASTERN): FTC Charges California and Navada Telemarketers in Connection with Major Telemarking Fraud Crackdown.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/12/sen.htm

As part of a nationwide, multi-agency telemarketing sweep called "Senior Sentinel," the Federal Trade Commission has brought charges in federal district courts against five telemarketers who preyed

California-Based Telemarketer Agrees to Settle FTC Charges

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/06/idealcon.htm

Michael Garganese, former owner of a Beverly Hills, California-based company, Ideal Concepts, Inc., has agreed to settle charges brought by the Federal Trade Commission in December

Here's fraud #2
Robert Garganese aka Mason

SEC.gov | Request Rate Threshold Exceeded

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2000-57.txt

404 Not Found

http://www.thestreet.com/pf/brknews/general/930876.html

Not real hard to find info on these guys

Your search didn't work | USAGov

http://search.ftc.gov/query.html?qt=garganese

**natrass** · 12-29-05, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

After weeks of negative posting by myself and others, the book rolled over and paid.

I think that is the nugget of truth in this.

I may be the cynical type and I am down on bookies as much as the next man ... but, put it this way, you wouldnt be the first person to try and 'blackmail' a bookie by threatening negative posting in order to get cash.

The giveaways, among others, are

- posters appearing with no introdution to themselves or the situation but launch a full-blooded scathing attack

- absolutely no facts given as the poster himself knows he has messed up (eg colluding, bonus abuse, past posting being the favs)

- the facts will dribble out when pushed but very slowly and very obliquely. Someone then points out the flaw and the poster disappears

- the appearanbce of another new poster (again with no introduction to himself or the situation) who feel identical to the original poster all the way and offers to back him up as a source of credibility. sadly, the opposite is usually the result.

**Chuck Sims** · 12-29-05, 07:01 PM

Louie Diamond, we got a shill here. Just ignore the retard.

**natrass** · 12-29-05, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

Louie Diamond, we got a shill here. Just ignore the retard.

You realise you are talking to yourself there (in both senses)?

**natrass** · 12-29-05, 07:15 PM

Oh, and yes, a shill?

Ive nearly 500 posts here ... can you find a single one where I have even mentioned nine.com or my bookie?

So, again, you have made a claim without any facts.

Quite ironic really.

You do realise that making such comments to people are not going to help your blackmailing succeed?

**Louie Diamond** · 12-29-05, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by natrass

Oh, and yes, a shill?

Ive nearly 500 posts here ... can you find a single one where I have even mentioned nine.com or my bookie?

So, again, you have made a claim without any facts.

Quite ironic really.

You do realise that making such comments to people are not going to help your blackmailing succeed?

Nats,
1st off, Chuck and I the same? Pretty funny. Chuck attacked me for about 5 years at TheRx. Check it out some time.

2nd, I'm not blackmailing anyone.

Lastly, are you saying I hacked the ftc website and made up that info on your buddies at Nine/MyCrookie/Granny Scammers?

**natrass** · 12-29-05, 09:09 PM

No, Im not really saying anything because i dont know. But thats just like I dont know what your gripe is with these bookies ... still. The stuff posted goes back years and I havent got time to work out who is who and what is what there.

Just if this was genuine, it would have seemed far moe plausible to say "hear what happened to me". Its like you havent told us anything except a conclusion we must reach.

The other stuff is just because Ive seen all of this many times before (for the reasons stated above). Its just like an old slap-stick routine ... its pointless.

If youd read the forum, youd know of a recent case in which a grandmother was betting on motorbikes ... that made quite an impression on me.

Again, I could ask "What exactly happened to YOU with these bookies" but you clearly dont want to say ... so, for the reader, its just seems pointless posting this stuff anymore.

**Chuck Sims** · 12-29-05, 10:03 PM

natrass, hopefully Diamond set you straight. I post at The RX and other places. If you read Nine.com's own posts at these other forums, they readily admit, if you win, you're gone. This is not a sportsbook, but a deposit only operation.

The $85,000 stiff job by MyBookie was criminal. They refused to pay. The player was forced to settle for pennies on the dollar and had to sign an agreement not to say anything. Once he got part of his money, he found out about these forums. SBR, among others got him paid. Posters like me will keep the spotlight on these shit books.

**Louie Diamond** · 12-29-05, 10:58 PM

Natrass,
Don't worry about me money. I'm not attempting to collect. I just want to shed light on the unsuspecting. Make an effort to read some of the FTC charges against them and the stiffing of 85 dimes plenty of facts about these guys right there.

Chuck,
You look much better with a little light on you. Welcome back from the dark side.

**SBR_John** · 12-29-05, 11:02 PM

I always liked you Lou Diamond. You were great at the Rx back in the day. I stayed out of the thread so you could say your piece.

We all get ripped off and stiffed if we are in business long. It goes with the territory.

In your case I think most respectable businesses would have replaced your equipment. It was left on their property and it was stolen hnce they are responsible. Of course they never shared their version so I will assume your version is correct.

Mike Nichols should compensate you.

**Chuck Sims** · 12-30-05, 12:23 AM

Thanks Louis Diamond.

**freebie** · 12-30-05, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by natrass

You realise you are talking to yourself there (in both senses)?

Chuck is a active poster at another watchodg forum. He has excellent creditbility. I believe Chuck.

**natrass** · 12-30-05, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by freebie

Chuck is a active poster at another watchodg forum. He has excellent creditbility. I believe Chuck.

Erm ... this isn't the rx

**Patrick McIrish** · 12-30-05, 02:12 AM

FWIW Chuck is correct about what he wrote. That 85k thing has been well documented. As for the kind of players they want I don't think that is the end of the world, certain books target certain players. I don't hold that against them.

On the Lou Diamond thing I honestly didn't think it was $20,000 but there was surely a dollar figure involved. Wasn't most of it cameras and recording equipment? Whatever the actual dollars that too did go on, it was a HOT topic about 4-5 years ago.

**SBR_John** · 12-30-05, 10:40 AM

These GCS guys were not nice people. They were a forum darling and peter and russ you say how bad SBR was for black listing them. Less than a year later they were in slow pay mode.

Remeber Peter for GCS?? He was beloved on mw and the Rx. Garden variety scammer.

AK · 12-30-05, 11:32 AM

Im kinda curious what kind of vcr that was.

I will sell you my extra one in the garage for 5 dollars.

$20,000 must be something very solid

**Chuck Sims** · 12-30-05, 06:58 PM

Thanks guys. SBR is definitely thumbs up!

**natrass** · 12-30-05, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

Thanks guys. SBR is definitely thumbs up!

I think only four people from the SBr forum have posted here ... sorry its been a largely sceptical response for you here on this one.

**Louie Diamond** · 01-04-06, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I always liked you Lou Diamond. You were great at the Rx back in the day. I stayed out of the thread so you could say your piece.

We all get ripped off and stiffed if we are in business long. It goes with the territory.

In your case I think most respectable businesses would have replaced your equipment. It was left on their property and it was stolen hnce they are responsible. Of course they never shared their version so I will assume your version is correct.

Mike Nichols should compensate you.

John, as you and I both know, Major Wager was formed and built on this issue. Grand Central was their 1st advertiser and it was clearly a payoff to shut me up with no regard for the turth whatsoever. Major has proven time and again he will go to ANY length to to continue his crooked life of lies. Simply put, he is a very small and shallow man with a site that was built from stealing from others. That being said, it's about time someone else had enough balls to post the truth about this.

Next question is, how do we get your advertiser to compensate me? I know I can cause a little stink with a publically traded company employing such felons. But as you (and Mike) know, I'm really not interested in such tactics (unless this becomes fruitless). I would just like to get what is rightfully mine and than end this. Not to mention the fact that you'd be a hero among posters to end this saga once and for all while proving to everyone (once again) why Major is as crooked as they come.

Suggestions appreciated.

Natrass,
If Nine.com ripping off senior citizens, stock investors and players doesn't get your panties ruffled, why should I expect my measly 20 dimes have an effect on you? If you're not a shill, you just have no reguard for truth and justice.

**pags11** · 01-04-06, 04:16 PM

I will have to agree with Louie here that they are not interested in servicing any winning players...not that books look to lose, but the good ones take all action...

**natrass** · 01-04-06, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Louie Diamond

Natrass,
If Nine.com ripping off senior citizens, stock investors and players doesn't get your panties ruffled, why should I expect my measly 20 dimes have an effect on you? If you're not a shill, you just have no reguard for truth and justice.

If you can point out any facts in this thread then Id consider the issue.

Just like if I wrote "Fat Tony has stiffed Mikey at the garage for six big ones just as Nine Elms was playing, stay away from WSEX ... if youd seen the blow and the nails youd never trust them again. They steal from evreryone." And then add a few links of unknown source or substance.

Now if that doesnt fill your panties then you must be a shill my friend.

**docdekay** · 01-04-06, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by pags11

I will have to agree with Louie here that they are not interested in servicing any winning players...not that books look to lose, but the good ones take all action...

You're a big time pro scavenging for free $9 accounts.
Everybody listen to pags, he knows what he's talking about.

Trust me.

**Louie Diamond** · 01-04-06, 09:13 PM

Nats,
Please refer to the ftc articles. Than ask Nine.com if those individuals are principles in the company.

Doc, I'm sure you can find other threads where you can flame Pags. Unless you have some proof that shows John and myself to be wrong this subject, I kindly ask that you refrain from your ad hominem attacks in this thread and address the post and not the poster.

**natrass** · 01-04-06, 11:30 PM

Ok Louie, I can hear you are serious about this and thats fair enough. But I still say that you havent really told the story of why YOU are pissed at them. I appreciate the massive links and stuff .. but whos got the time to read and evaluate all that. I havent. Sorry, but Im not THAT interested.

Why can't you just say "This happened to me at nine.com. I ...." (Fill in the story there)".

I just don't get why you are pissed at this book ... why are you spending so much time on this? I think its pretty much the only thing you have talked on. You must have some reason there but you won't say. Why is that?