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  • BigdaddyQH
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-13-09
    • 19530

    #1
    Lessons to be Learned From Shrink
    No one knows,or is saying exactly what happened to "Skrink" or his wife. What is aparent is that he and his wife are infact, dead. If this is true, what can we learn from this?

    First of all, this guy allegedly had it made. He had a successful business, though small. Aparently, he thought he was a successful gambler. He had from all accounts, a very lovely wife, and a loving family. So what happened?

    There are four schools of thoughts here. The first is that he got in too deep with gambling losses, had no way of making them good, told his wife about it, and the two of them decided to end it all. That is the story that the family wants you to believe.

    Next, there is the rumor that he was about to be arrested for illegal activities involving off shore books. Rumor says that he was on the Fed's hit list, and it was only a matter of time before he was arrested. He decided to take the easy way out rather than face prison.

    Third, there is the rumor that he ratted out the above mentioned book, pissed off the wrong people and both he and his wife paid the price. As we all know, this surely would not be the first time something like this has happened.

    Lastly, there is the rumor that he is, in fact, alive, and has either taken it on the lamb, or is on some type of witness protection program. This is probably the least likely, because if he did sell out these people, he would eventually have to testify in open court.

    No matter what happened, there is a lesson to be learned. If you can not control your gaming, you can end up in big trouble. If you get in too far with these off shore books, you can get into big trouble. If you piss off the wrong people, you can get into big trouble. Here is a guy who thought he had it all. Now, he is dead, or as good as dead. His is not the first story that ended like it did, nor will it be the last. Guys, do not do what he aparently did. Keep you gaming under control. Do not get too involved with people who may have questionable backgrounds. Do not trust any off shore book for a second. No one knows who really runs the show at these books until things like this happen. This also just strengthens the arguments to shut these places down.

    Use caution when gaming, and try to play it above board. Do not get involved with people or situations that Shark aparently did. The results can be tragic, as these aparently were. We may never know exactly what happened to him and his wife, but no matter what the circumstances were, they aparently ended in death. Do not get yourself involved in a trap like he did. I know, everyone will say "it will not happen to me", but I can guarantee you that Shark thought the same thing, as the vast majority of people who end up like him thought.
  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #2
    Great post BigDaddy!!!!
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    • Brock Landers
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 06-30-08
      • 45359

      #3
      Don't play on credit, seems as simple as that.
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82874

        #4
        Excellent post BigDaddy! I would also like to add if you ever get in trouble with gambling ask your family to help you out first before you end it all. There is a slim chance they will be willing to dig you out of the hole and give you a second chance if they care about you. Maybe his family didn't want to help him out and he chose to go down with the ship.
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        • Brock Landers
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 06-30-08
          • 45359

          #5
          Originally posted by pavyracer
          Excellent post BigDaddy! I would also like to add if you ever get in trouble with gambling ask your family to help you out first before you end it all. There is a slim chance they will be willing to dig you out of the hole and give you a second chance if they care about you. Maybe his family didn't want to help him out and he chose to go down with the ship.
          this guy was beyond any "family" help for sure..needed to look to be cutting deals or hitting the road.
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          • pavyracer
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 04-12-07
            • 82874

            #6
            Originally posted by Brock Landers
            this guy was beyond any "family" help for sure..needed to look to be cutting deals or hitting the road.
            I know people who didn't have health insurance and got hit with a $500,000 bill from the hospital after a massive heart attack. They sold their house and went to live in a shack in the boonies. From the pictures it looked like he had a good house and car and he could have sold all these possessions to pay his debts and then live poor for the rest of his life on social security or waiting tables at the diner.
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            • Brock Landers
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 06-30-08
              • 45359

              #7
              Originally posted by pavyracer
              I know people who didn't have health insurance and got hit with a $500,000 bill from the hospital after a massive heart attack. They sold their house and went to leave in a shack in the boonies. From the pictures it looked like he had a good house and car and he could have sold all these possessions to pay his debts and then live pour for the rest of his life on social security or waiting tables at the diner.
              now that is stupid...File Chapter 7 bankruptcy before you run from your house because you got a bill..
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              • pavyracer
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                • 04-12-07
                • 82874

                #8
                Originally posted by Brock Landers
                now that is stupid...File Chapter 7 bankruptcy before you run from your house because you got a bill..
                Wouldn't they take your house away if you file for bankruptcy? When they sold their house they kept the cash from the sale.
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                • Brock Landers
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 06-30-08
                  • 45359

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                  Wouldn't they take your house away if you file for bankruptcy? When they sold their house they kept the cash from the sale.
                  nope, Chapter 7 is a "fresh start", of course check with a bankruptcy attorney before taking my word, but a hospital can stick it sending out bills like that to uninsured.
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                  • BatemanPatrickl
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 06-21-07
                    • 18772

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Brock Landers
                    now that is stupid...File Chapter 7 bankruptcy before you run from your house because you got a bill..
                    Brock have you ever paid your debts or do you just take the easy way out and screw other people?

                    Pathetic.
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                    • BigdaddyQH
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 07-13-09
                      • 19530

                      #11
                      All of you gents bring up very good points. I really like Brock's point about not wagering on credit. If Shrink was worth 2 million at his height of his success, why would he make a 500K wager on a basketball game? If he did this, he must have really been in deep, got desperate, and tried to get back to even with one wager. Does this sound familiar chasers?
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                      • hoopster42
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                        • 02-12-08
                        • 6099

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                        Wouldn't they take your house away if you file for bankruptcy? When they sold their house they kept the cash from the sale.
                        in most states your primary residence is protected as is a certain amount of the equity. so the short answer is no, they wont take your house away
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                        • Brock Landers
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                          • 06-30-08
                          • 45359

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl
                          Brock have you ever paid your debts or do you just take the easy way out and screw other people? Pathetic.
                          don't worry about what i do, i advocate the "smart" approach. nobody getting screwed, everything is ethical.
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                          • Unicorn7
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                            • 08-29-09
                            • 1445

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jjgold
                            Great post BigDaddy!!!!
                            It is a great post from a very under rated poster. He is great for sbr but goes unheralded because he is not an attention whore or trouble maker.

                            I find this hole ken thing freakin sur real guys..biggest story in forum history as far as I am concerned

                            love him or hate him..what a man

                            I liked the shrink and every damn post i ever said about him was positive

                            what a legacy he leaves behind eh fellas?

                            I still think I am dreaming this is totally fuking shocking
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                            • BigdaddyQH
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 07-13-09
                              • 19530

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unicorn7
                              It is a great post from a very under rated poster. He is great for sbr but goes unheralded because he is not an attention whore or trouble maker.

                              I find this hole ken thing freakin sur real guys..biggest story in forum history as far as I am concerned

                              love him or hate him..what a man

                              I liked the shrink and every damn post i ever said about him was positive

                              what a legacy he leaves behind eh fellas?

                              I still think I am dreaming this is totally fuking shocking
                              Thank you for your kind words. All I am trying to do is help someone so that they may avoid an ending like Ken and his wife had.
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                              • Brock Landers
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 06-30-08
                                • 45359

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Unicorn7
                                It is a great post from a very under rated poster. He is great for SBR but goes unheralded because he is not an attention whore or trouble maker. I find this hole ken thing freakin sur real guys..biggest story in forum history as far as I am concerned love him or hate him..what a man I liked the shrink and every damn post i ever said about him was positive what a legacy he leaves behind eh fellas? I still think I am dreaming this is totally fuking shocking
                                i have to say, i knew about sports betting LONG before i ever heard of the shrink, and it will go on LONG after he has left, so its maybe a blip on the screen. Nothing compared to Neteller/Pinnacle closing down to the US with 30 days of each other in Jan 2007, THAT was shocking, and still is.
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                                • BigdaddyQH
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-13-09
                                  • 19530

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                  i have to say, i knew about sports betting LONG before i ever heard of the shrink, and it will go on LONG after he has left, so its maybe a blip on the screen. Nothing compared to Neteller/Pinnacle closing down to the US with 30 days of each other in Jan 2007, THAT was shocking, and still is.
                                  Agreed. I have been in this business since the 60's, and full time since the 70's. While his death touched many people, that was because he ran web sites that had a certain amount of popularity. That is all. He was not Lefty Rosenthal, or Jimmy the Greek. As far as the internet goes, when Pinnacle, VIP and Net Teller closed their doors to the U.S, that was, and still is the biggest off shore event to hit the U.S. The effects are still being felt today.
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                                  • Grandmaster B
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-05-09
                                    • 6035

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                    Agreed. I have been in this business since the 60's, and full time since the 70's. While his death touched many people, that was because he ran web sites that had a certain amount of popularity. That is all. He was not Lefty Rosenthal, or Jimmy the Greek. As far as the internet goes, when Pinnacle, VIP and Net Teller closed their doors to the U.S, that was, and still is the biggest off shore event to hit the U.S. The effects are still being felt today.
                                    so you could place bets offshore online in the 60's and 70's?
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                                    • Unicorn7
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 08-29-09
                                      • 1445

                                      #19
                                      I respectfully disagree pizza boy and daddy O

                                      If we re talking shock factor..I say shrink biggest in forum history

                                      If you know the industry you know any book or processor can be gone tomorrow. If you dont think so then I bet you still put your teeth under your pillow at night. yes some would be a shock more than others

                                      cmon guys..the shrink killing himself and maybe his wife???

                                      this shit is unfukingreal...jmho
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                                      • Doug
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 08-10-05
                                        • 6324

                                        #20
                                        I'm quite convinced this was one of two things....

                                        Most likely Kenny got into debt with the kneebreaker variety of bookie, must have been well into 6 figures, maybe 7. Now I thought the code was your debt dies with you ? He could have just offed himself, and nothing happens to the family, right ? I see no reason why the wife agrees to also off herself, so our hero murders her before killing himself. This is my most likely scenario.

                                        Or the whole thing is a fake ( and he's alive and well), and he will never be seen again anyway, gave up some info to save his ass from the Feds or something, and is protected. I think they are burying the murderer kind of quick here, conveniently closed casket, too. I think CSI can likely tell if this was a rare double suicide, or not. A lot of different stories to start this off with, and Ken's veiled suicide post. I guess no point in charging a "dead" man with murder ?

                                        I can't see it being anything but a M/S, or they are still alive. Even if facing prison....they'd both have to be looking at 20+ year terms to do the mutual suicide thing. I think Kenny would have been smart enough to keep his wife out of the dirty end of the business.

                                        Personally I think running an EOG- type place, from the US is not smart. If you're getting cuts of player losses from referrals, ain't you sort of a bookie ?

                                        Actually Ken was probably sharp enough to not lose a ton to locals/ Mafioso, and probably knew enough money management....maybe it was his partnership with books afterall that "did in him"....and now he could be alive, living in Kearney Nebraska or somewhere, shaving his head, growing a beard, fixing his teeth, getting a nosejob, etc. so he can blend in, as a new man.

                                        We will never know, for sure....I doubt he's dead.

                                        Only the good die young.....Billy Joel
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                                        • Scorpion
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-04-05
                                          • 7797

                                          #21
                                          playing on credit and bad money management
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                                          • Unicorn7
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 08-29-09
                                            • 1445

                                            #22
                                            forum ville is what I mean

                                            cmon this guy founded the rx..eog and has his off spring working all over sbr and other forums..shrink is a forum legend

                                            for a guy that wass bashed by so many people on a daily basis he was a nice guy to most
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                                            • Scorpion
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-04-05
                                              • 7797

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Unicorn7
                                              I respectfully disagree pizza boy and daddy O

                                              If we re talking shock factor..I say shrink biggest in forum history

                                              If you know the industry you know any book or processor can be gone tomorrow. If you dont think so then I bet you still put your teeth under your pillow at night. yes some would be a shock more than others

                                              cmon guys..the shrink killing himself and maybe his wife???

                                              this shit is unfukingreal...jmho
                                              Yes, for posters like you who think so highly of him!
                                              Do you think most feel like you do?
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                                              • Unicorn7
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                                                • 08-29-09
                                                • 1445

                                                #24
                                                nice post doug

                                                I actually thought the shrink had cash fellas..who the fuk knows tghough..ya know..the average poster dont know shit

                                                this guy was good to alot of people..
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                                                • Doug
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                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                  • 6324

                                                  #25
                                                  I don't buy a Jewish gambling forum founder with ties to BW, going on tilt with bets. I don't think this man was stupid, immoral, easily, but not stupid.
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                                                  • Unicorn7
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 08-29-09
                                                    • 1445

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Scorpion
                                                    Yes, for posters like you who think so highly of him!
                                                    Do you think most feel like you so?
                                                    I aint licking his balls post motem man..Im just saying in the forum world he was as big as it gets..lotta guys have past with him..hundreds..General..Reload here..MadCapper at BC and a ton of other guys..Shrink gave us a platform to have fun is all I know

                                                    I never saw this coming in a million years

                                                    Have a great day guys!
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                                                    • Scorpion
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                                                      • 09-04-05
                                                      • 7797

                                                      #27
                                                      Good post Doug, BigDaddy too
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        Doug he was not that smart with money, I know more than most here not from experience not directly with him but from others that knew him real well.

                                                        He was a good guy, generous but had bad habits

                                                        He would of been arrested years ago if it had anything to do with some pending credit operation charges, etc

                                                        God Bless this man and his family
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                                                        • BigdaddyQH
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 07-13-09
                                                          • 19530

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Grandmaster B
                                                          so you could place bets offshore online in the 60's and 70's?
                                                          Are you that stupid? Are you just as ignorant as your buddy Monacca? Can you read? How many times do I have to say that all of my action, or 99% of it is handled in Vegas. For the illiterate such as yourself, that is Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.A. Area Code 702. Got it? I have been playing this game long before people like Ken were around.

                                                          Again, the whole point of this post was to have people avoid making the mistakes that Ken did that led to his death, disappearence, or whatever. The fact is that you could talk to him a week ago and can not talk to him now. As far as everone in here is concerned, he is gone. Probably dead, but definately gone.
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                                                          • pokernut9999
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 07-25-07
                                                            • 12757

                                                            #30
                                                            A lot of people keep saying do not bet on credit , I would guess 90% of bets made every day are on credit and the majority go thru organized crime.

                                                            If you think that the post up bettors at offshore books is the big money you are wrong.

                                                            Organized crime runs the booking world guys.
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                                                            • Doug
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                                                              • 08-10-05
                                                              • 6324

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                                              Doug he was not that smart with money, I know more than most here not from experience not directly with him but from others that knew him real well.

                                                              He was a good guy, generous but had bad habits

                                                              He would of been arrested years ago if it had anything to do with some pending credit operation charges, etc

                                                              God Bless this man and his family
                                                              Then this saintly gentleman murdered his wife....is my logical conclusion.
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                                                              • jjgold
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 07-20-05
                                                                • 388179

                                                                #32
                                                                I think so Doug
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                                                                • BigdaddyQH
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 07-13-09
                                                                  • 19530

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by pokernut9999
                                                                  A lot of people keep saying do not bet on credit , I would guess 90% of bets made every day are on credit and the majority go thru organized crime.

                                                                  If you think that the post up bettors at offshore books is the big money you are wrong.

                                                                  Organized crime runs the booking world guys.
                                                                  Yes and No. First, there is no way that 90% of all wagers made are on credit. The books would go out of business if that were the case. You are correct in your assessment of offshore books. Offshore books do not have anywheres near the funds to handle the action tht Vegas books in the major hotels have. No big gambler in their right minds in this country would trust an offshore book with their money. Not when they can get it down legally in Las Vegas.
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                                                                  • Grandmaster B
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 09-05-09
                                                                    • 6035

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                                                    Are you that stupid? Are you just as ignorant as your buddy Monacca? Can you read? How many times do I have to say that all of my action, or 99% of it is handled in Vegas. For the illiterate such as yourself, that is Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.A. Area Code 702. Got it? I have been playing this game long before people like Ken were around.

                                                                    Again, the whole point of this post was to have people avoid making the mistakes that Ken did that led to his death, disappearence, or whatever. The fact is that you could talk to him a week ago and can not talk to him now. As far as everone in here is concerned, he is gone. Probably dead, but definately gone.
                                                                    the way you've been speakin about Ken and how "small potatoes" he was...the best I can do is direct you to this link







                                                                    lmao...I knew a guy who lived in Vegas once
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                                                                    • pokernut9999
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 07-25-07
                                                                      • 12757

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                                                      Yes and No. First, there is no way that 90% of all wagers made are on credit. The books would go out of business if that were the case. You are correct in your assessment of offshore books. Offshore books do not have anywheres near the funds to handle the action tht Vegas books in the major hotels have. No big gambler in their right minds in this country would trust an offshore book with their money. Not when they can get it down legally in Las Vegas.

                                                                      Not saying the books per say , most do not realize what locals pull in.

                                                                      Here in my little town you can bet $10,000 on a Nascar match up.

                                                                      In major cities like NY, Chicago , LA and south Florida just to name a few, more bets are made on credit than any of these offshore books take in any day.

                                                                      In some way or form each offshore book has some connection to organized crime.

                                                                      Big time bettors that bet 5K to 50K a game are not posting up anywhere.

                                                                      Those are the guys that are settling up with runners weekly.
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