The Truth about Bodog Technical Difficulties

[NeedProtection]

I am not sure what passes as information on these forums anymore. Basically the information ****ing sucks. The forum owners won't say shit and the posters are all in the dark and left to speculate.

Well here is the deal.

There is a company that claims to have some online gaming type patents and they basically go around shaking down the big gaming companies to "license' their patents.

The patents are a joke but they were able to get the patent office to give them these questionable patents anyway.

There are companies who's sole purpose in life is to get random ridiculous patents (like patenting a hyperlink) then suing people with a lot of money and trying to get a settlement.

This company has already shaken down Ultimatebet and the casino software provider playtech.

It is a scam, but the judges wont throw the cases out and if one of the big companies decides to ignore the lawsuit, stupid shit happens like this.

I hope bodog stands up to these cyber extortion leeches and refuses to pay them.

Sadly, it is easier for most companies to enter into a "licensing" agreement which is really nothing more than paying tribute to a scam perpetrated by the legal mafia that is the U.S. Legal System.

[Skankdog]

Should we feel sorry for a guy who made his living stealing money from people through running illegal securities scams in canada. Or better yet, getting on national TV and telling the World that basically he was smarter than the U.S. Government.(Thanks for the Heat, Calvin) I am sorry needprotection, I mean no disrespect to you, but it is very hard for me to shed a tear for guys like that. What comes around goes around.

[NeedProtection]

not asking you to feel sorry for the guy at all.

I am explaining what the other company does and how they operate. They got a judge to order the domain name transferred as part of settling the debt.

This is what happens when you don't pay the street tax to the legal profession when you rich.

Rich people get shaken down by attornies. This is life.

When you don't pay the street tax (in this case in the form of payment to an attorney to fight the case) this is the result.

You get a beatdown.

[goldengoat]

only a gay faggot would resort to such tactics

[Skankdog]

Needprotection,
I do agree with you about your point. However, I think Calvin´s problems are more complex and I think he has more to come. On the gaming issue, I think we all agree the heat is a bunch of bologne for all of us. My only hopes are that the good guys can operate as long as possible.

[Dandy Lion]

not asking you to feel sorry for the guy at all.

I am explaining what the other company does and how they operate. They got a judge to order the domain name transferred as part of settling the debt.

This is what happens when you don't pay the street tax to the legal profession when you rich.

Rich people get shaken down by attornies. This is life.

When you don't pay the street tax (in this case in the form of payment to an attorney to fight the case) this is the result.

You get a beatdown.

There may be some company doing this but it isn't the company that successfully sued Calvin. There is credible press reporting on 1st Technology LLC and it is run, I think, by some PHD from Oxford University. It does have a patent on gaming technology and Bodog claims to have "proprietary software' for its gaming. Calvin has stolen pretty well everything he ever had in his adult life and it appears a court has ruled he stole the patent property.

Sorry that doesn't fit into your cute little view of all this, but those are the facts. You are right about them taking over the domain names as part of settling the debt.

If Bodog had a leg to stand on they would have been in court defending themselves. For all we know, they did and lost.

[rjt721]

Can we please stop with all the Bodog threads?

It's a shlt book, and anyone who knows anything has known this for awhile.

[SBR_John]

Actually this topic is very relevant considering the news of the day.

[NeedProtection]

There is credible press reporting on 1st Technology LLC and it is run, I think, by some PHD from Oxford University.

sharpen up.

this is a lie to give the shakedown artists credibility. dont believe it

[SBR_John]

NP good posts. I was certainly not aware of any of this. You mention shakedowns of ultimatebet and playtech. What eventually happened in those cases?

[Dandy Lion]

NP good posts. I was certainly not aware of any of this. You mention shakedowns of ultimatebet and playtech. What eventually happened in those cases?

Sting is talking about this over at 911. Something about some 63 year old contractor who claims to have a patent on "process" of gaming payouts or something like that and is shaking down offshore sites.

But that has nothing to do with the story about Bodog today. It ain't this contractor guy, It's about people who have real technical patents on software they say Bodog has incorporated into their software.

Bodog's difficulty is they can't come to a US court to argue because they are a criminal organization under US law. But there is probably nothing to argue about. Very likely Bodog did infringe the patent.

[NeedProtection]

DandyLion,

Quit saying this. It isn't true. Have you read the so-called patents? They are vague, nebulous and meaningless.

There has been a patent war going on for a long time between the companies who's sole purpose is to litigate vauge and meaningless patents and the real companies fighting off these lecherous business models and their legal larceny.

Maybe you are in with the shakedown artists and if that is the case then please carry on with the charade of credibility. Didn't mean to stand in the way of you and yours trying to put food on the table by robbing people.

Otherwise, quit believing the lies of their press releases. Go read the patents. It is bogus. It is like someone patenting the alphabet.

Maybe Bodog retained counsel and the counsel told them they were judgement proof and the shakedwon artists had no enforcement directive.

Maybe Bodog was never properly served and knew nothing about it.

Whatever the case is, quit pretending like Bodog violated some ridiculous patent and owes 50 million dollars because they have an internet website.

It is not legit. It is a street tax Bodog didn't pay to the legal mafia in the states. It is a racket. They didn't pay. Now they PAY.

[Dandy Lion]

DandyLion,

Quit saying this. It isn't true. Have you read the so-called patents? They are vague, nebulous and meaningless.

There has been a patent war going on for a long time between the companies who's sole purpose is to litigate vauge and meaningless patents and the real companies fighting off these lecherous business models and their legal larceny.

Maybe you are in with the shakedown artists and if that is the case then please carry on with the charade of credibility. Didn't mean to stand in the way of you and yours trying to put food on the table by robbing people.

Otherwise, quit believing the lies of their press releases. Go read the patents. It is bogus. It is like someone patenting the alphabet.

Maybe Bodog retained counsel and the counsel told them they were judgement proof and the shakedwon artists had no enforcement directive.

Maybe Bodog was never properly served and knew nothing about it.

Whatever the case is, quit pretending like Bodog violated some ridiculous patent and owes 50 million dollars because they have an internet website.

It is not legit. It is a street tax Bodog didn't pay to the legal mafia in the states. It is a racket. They didn't pay. Now they PAY.

The US Patent Office does not issue bogus patents.

The Nevada Court does not issue $49 million judgments for stealing intellectual property based on a bogus patent.

I think pretty well everyone here understands that Bodog owes $50 million not because they have an internet website, but because they stole some of somebody else's intellectual property.

Take off the tinfoil hat.

[Sean]

The US Patent Office does not issue bogus patents. The Nevada Court does not issue $49 million judgments for stealing intellectual property based on a bogus patent.

Actually, patent abuse and related legal threats/actions are nothing new. "Inventors" have successfully registered broad-brush patents for years and then followed up with extortion attempts similar to what may be happening in this particular case.

[Dandy Lion]

Actually, patent abuse and related legal threats/actions are nothing new. "Inventors" have successfully registered broad-brush patents for years and then followed up with extortion attempts similar to what may be happening in this particular case.

If they have been successful, then they have a patent and the protection of the law that goes with it. I don't think that if Microsoft goes after someone for using some patented feature of Vista they are engaging in "extortion".

The people who took down Bodog are not the same people Sting is talking about on gambling911. This guy also invented some pretty advanced stuff with computer chips.

It makes no difference. They've won and bodog.com is gone as a domain and URL.

I think it shows how little business Bodog had that hardly anybody is sweating what has just happened on the forums. Most of the people posting don't even gamble there. I'd say most bettors got out when the signs said "Run" two or three months ago.

[mbr_18]

If they have been successful, then they have a patent and the protection of the law that goes with it. I don't think that if Microsoft goes after someone for using some patented feature of Vista they are engaging in "extortion".

The people who took down Bodog are not the same people Sting is talking about on gambling911. This guy also invented some pretty advanced stuff with computer chips.

It makes no difference. They've won and bodog.com is gone as a domain and URL.

I think it shows how little business Bodog had that hardly anybody is sweating what has just happened on the forums. Most of the people posting don't even gamble there. I'd say most bettors got out when the signs said "Run" two or three months ago.

No Kidding...Microsoft is not going to go after the little guy that has something similiar to Vista...but damn sure bet the little guy goes after microsoft for something in Vista that they feel is similiar to their patent. You need to open your eyes and wake up. People have been chasing large companies with patent enfringment for years.

[Dandy Lion]

You need to open your eyes and wake up. People have been chasing large companies with patent enfringment for years.

My eyes are just fine, sonny.

You seem to live in a queer world where patents are never infringed. Your sentence should have said people have been chasing large companies with patent infringement for years and winning. If Bodog didn't infringe the patent, they would have fought it.

You're not dealing with Mother Theresa here.

[NeedProtection]

LOL @ DandyLion

DandyLion, you got to do what you got to do but I hope these ****ing people dont pay your extorting pathetic ass one cent.

Interesting article about you I found

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/gaming/2006/apr/12/566662531.html

By the way, the patent office has been handing out weak bullshit patents for years. It has been the fodder and debate on the net for years.

I know these other sites paid you and it is funny to see how you behave when you can't shakedown a giant.

I hope Calvin takes his millions of dollars and bankrupts you with legal fees.

[Justin7]

Anyone can patent just about anything, whether or not someone actually invented it. Patents aren't really challenged until they try to enforce it. If this was a default judgment, the judge didn't even look at the claimed infringment.

As far as damages.. If no one shows up for BoDog after a default, the damages hearing goes something like this:

Court: How much have you been damaged?
Inventor: $56 million.
Court: Do you have some proof of this?
Inventor: (hands a napkin with some numbers on it).
Court: Judgment for the plaintiff, $56 million.

Default judgments are a complete circus. Normally, a person has no remedy when they default someone from another jurisdiction. I could see an entire trade war erupting over the registrar awarding this based on a default.

[NeedProtection]

"I'm going after the big boys now," Molnick said. "These people have made billions off my patent, and now they're going to have to pay."

LOL. His patent. Give me a break. It's like saying billions have been made from the alphabet. How can you patent remote wagering? That is absurd.

Once again the US government, this time in the form of the patent office, is ****ing the online wagering business.

[bigloser]

T
I think pretty well everyone here understands that Bodog owes $50 million not because they have an internet website, but because they stole some of somebody else's intellectual property.

No looks like you are wrong. Pretty much everyone thinks Bodog doesnt owe the money

[Skankdog]

Well, if he gets his Poker set up in Russia which is what he really wants to do, then I think he will care less about what happens in the sportsbook field. Once again, thanks for the Heat!!!

[pags11]

blowdog...now that's funny...

[Dandy Lion]

I can see why you Need Protection.

For the record, I'm not a guy who has anything to do with patents and that article in the Las Vegas Sun.

I told him to take off the tinfoil hat and he didn't.

The patent Bodog infringed has nothing to do with this Molnick character. It is a patent on quite a technical thing to do with how people see the outputs of a monitor in gaming software and is owned by some PHD from Oxford University.

As to the guy who says Bodog doesn't owe the money, I think you're mistaken about what people think. Perhaps deadbeats might not think it owes the money, but normal people respect court judgments and Bodog has a judgment against it for $50 million. If they had a defense, they would have showed up in court.

They thought nothing could happen to them under US law. They were wrong. They are paying the price of being wrong. All gamblers know that when you're wrong, you pay. I doubt that's any different with most decent people here.

[bigloser]

US does not have juristiction over the world.
Business as normal at Bodog.
Choose between the US Govt along with its corrupt legal systen and Calvin. It isnt even close Ill take Bodog and their slow pays every time.
You say most people respect court judgements. Well the US lost its cast in front of the WTO but hasnt yet fell in line. Looks like Calvin is learning from the experts.

Bodog is not a popular place to bet and yet there is no one here that supports the judgement.

Guess we are all deadbeats

[operaman]

dandy,


This forum is made up of people who can see through people like you. Your act is weak man. If you are the person
atacking bodog you should fear for your life. If you think the comments you have posted on here are plausable you are way over your head.


My bet you are a two bit competitor ( lackie) looking to pick up some of the us market.

[Dandy Lion]

dandy,


This forum is made up of people who can see through people like you. Your act is weak man. If you are the person
atacking bodog you should fear for your life. If you think the comments you have posted on here are plausable you are way over your head.


My bet you are a two bit competitor ( lackie) looking to pick up some of the us market.

Like I said, take off the tinfoil hat. And for the final time, I have nothing to do with this lawsuit against Bodog. The worst attack made against Bodog here has been by yourself. You imply the people who sued should now fear for their lives. Nice going. You certainly feed into one perception about that Bodog is connected with organized crime. Do you have any evidence of that?

And BigLoser, I'm not a deadbeat and I don't think many of the posters here are and probably resent themselves being included in your response.

The truth of all this will turn out to be that these 1st Technology people have a legal patent and that Bodog uses some of their technology in Bodog's software. Without paying for it. Most people on here aren't confused about the morality of that. If you are, speak for yourself and leave the rest of us out of it.

Thanks.

[bigloser]

Most people on here aren't confused about the morality of that.
.

Not one person on here has supported you. Many have posted against you.
The EVIDENCE is that they are confused by the morality of the issue and you

Looking through previous posts by you you frequently gather "most, others, all" around you. When there is very little evidence that you have any support from "most all and otrhers".

This is clearly a confidence issue, if it is your opinion it is OK to say so. Dont seek to wrap your comments with support from the "others" who dont exist.

[Dandy Lion]

Not one person on here has supported you. Many have posted against you.
The EVIDENCE is that they are confused by the morality of the issue and you

Looking through previous posts by you you frequently gather "most, others, all" around you. When there is very little evidence that you have any support from "most all and otrhers".

This is clearly a confidence issue, if it is your opinion it is OK to say so. Dont seek to wrap your comments with support from the "others" who dont exist.

In a world of law, patents are part of a system that encourages innovation by recognizing a property in some new product or way of doing things. They are no different than a title to a home or a title to a car.

I am fairly sure that 1st Technology has a legal patent on some very complex ways of presenting multimedia on computer screens. I don't know that Bodog's software infringes on that patent, but I'd be fairly certain that it does otherwise they would have defended the suit. Using someone's property without their permission and without paying them what they ask is theft. Plain and simple.

At the risk of another pedantic argument from you, I'm going to say that most people on this forum and in society generally are opposed to theft. Strongly opposed.

Your argument is that I am seeking support for that position, and that in the absence of everybody on this forum dropping whatever they are doing and posting "I support Dandy Lion", there is no support for the proposition that most people don't agree with stealing others property, including patents.

You have no idea that people support your position, which is the position of deadbeats. No one else has posted saying "Ya, include me in the deadbeats BigLoser is talking about".

I'll see if I can figure out how to start a poll on this. Not that it really matters much, I suppose.

[bigloser]

You have no idea that people support your position, which is the position of deadbeats..

Guess you need to read the thread again

[Dandy Lion]

Guess you need to read the thread again

Whatever.

[offshorexplorer]

Mel Molnick has been trying to separate book owners from their money for years

I have seen many of the letters he writes to book owners first hand and frankly find them laughable.

He obtains a flimsy patent in the USA, and then based on that patent obtains one elsewhere ( based on the fact that he has one in the USA )

Had someone applied for the same patent in Europe it would have been denied as unpatentable, but once again as Don Kind likes to say "Only in America"

What truly amazes me is how the good people of the USA tolerate the borderline criminal conduct of their representatives in government, infringements on their freedoms and liberties, infringements on other countries soveriegnty and the like.

Then these same good people cannot understand why the USA ( read the US Government ) is so hated globally.