Nba Ref Bet On Games

bigboydan · 07-20-07, 09:20 AM

I'd sure would like to know which games they were.

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

I'd sure would like to know which games they were.

So would I. Any thoughts on who the ref is?

Spanks · 07-20-07, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl

NBA ref reportedly bet on own games:

FBI set to arrest official, who allegedly bet on games for last two seasons

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 43 minutes ago
An NBA referee allegedly bet on basketball games, including ones he was officiating, the New York Post reported Friday.

The FBI is investigating the ref, who allegedly made bets during the last two seasons, as part of a larger probe in organized crime, according to the report.

Federal agents are set to arrest the referee, who they believe made calls that affected the point spread, the Post reported.

"These are dangerous people [the referee] was involved with," a source told the Post.

One source told the Post that the ref, whose name has been withheld, was able to win in the "double digits."

NBA commissioner David Stern is aware of the investigation, according to the Post.

I hope they boil that piece of shit alive!

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 09:36 AM

NEW YORK (AP) — The FBI is investigating allegations that a veteran NBA referee bet on basketball games over the past two seasons, including ones in which he officiated, according to a law enforcement official.

Among other things, authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered.

The law enforcement official, who spoke to the AP on Friday on condition of anonymity, said the referee was aware of the investigation and had made arrangements to surrender as early as next week to face charges.

The probe, which began recently, also involves allegations that the referee had connections to organized crime associates. Other arrests are expected, the official said.

According to the official, the referee had a gambling problem and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.

The law enforcement official, who did not identify the referee, said the bets involved thousands of dollars and were made on games during the 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 seasons.

The law enforcement is familiar with the investigation but was not authorized to speak publicly about it because of the ongoing investigation.

The existence of the investigation was first disclosed Friday by the New York Post.

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 09:41 AM

Steve Javie?

bigboydan · 07-20-07, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl

So would I. Any thoughts on who the ref is?

Hard to tell considering how many refs officiated such bad games last year.

WileOut · 07-20-07, 09:48 AM

I guarantee you guys that this is a much deeper issue than people think it is. Umpires in baseball and basketball refs in college and pros, are all gambling on the games.

If they have any smarts at all, they are doing it by themselves and not letting anyone know they are doing it. It is extremely stupid to hook up with "groups" and do this. It is a huge problem.

More likely than not it is happening in todays (July 20th) baseball games that you guys are wagering on.

And you guys wonder why so many favs are winning. The past 2 games I've seen on TV featured umpires who were obviously biased to one side. Fortunately I had both of the right sides but I would have been pissed otherwise. They make it blatant.

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Hard to tell considering how many refs officiated such bad games last year.

Well look at where they were born and where the mob might be most active.

Steve Javie looks like a good pick due to the following:

1) He is a veteran
2) Makes quick calls and ejects players instantly
3) Born and raised in Philly
4) Was an athelete so needs that rush

TheOffshoreGambler · 07-20-07, 10:30 AM

I am glad they finally caught one. I have thought this has been going on for years.

DrunkenLullaby · 07-20-07, 10:35 AM

Not so much a nail as a huge golden spike in the coffin of ever seeing legalized, regulated online sportsbetting in the US.

MBENZ · 07-20-07, 10:51 AM

So the mob had the Spurs in the Phoenix series,I knew there had to a logical explanation

Jay Edgar · 07-20-07, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by DrunkenLullaby

Not so much a nail as a huge golden spike in the coffin of ever seeing legalized, regulated online sportsbetting in the US.

Exactly.

For anyone who might use this board, that's the 72-point, boldfaced headline to the story.

moses millsap · 07-20-07, 11:09 AM

I have a feeling it is Bennett Salvatore.

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by OWNED

I have a feeling it is Bennett Salvatore.

Good call!

Dark Horse · 07-20-07, 11:38 AM

One ref? Where there's smoke there's fire.

ShamsWoof10 · 07-20-07, 12:32 PM

My friend is a basketball official here in town and for years has gone to all the camps so he knows most of those guys.. He thinks this has been happening for years as well.. He has never heard anything concrete but it's just his belief...

Here is a funny story about him and my other friend placing a wager on a game he officiated... It was a HS Varsity game and my friend always had a spread for a game he was doing... He (the offical) bet my friend and the spread was 5.5... My my official friend took the favorite... It was an 8 point game with 5 secs. left and my official friend said "This white dude who can shoot got a wide open look for a three (for the team down 8) and shot it; I thought ..f*ck that looks like it might go in.." He blew his whistle and called an OFFENSIVE FOUL hahahahahaha and the shot when in too... The favs. inbounded the ball and ran the clock out winning by 8...

EaglesPhan36 · 07-20-07, 12:40 PM

I can't remember the exact game - but it was a Spurs playoff game this past season where someone chucked in a meaningless buzzer beater that was waived off. Would have meant the difference in a cover for one of the teams. My bet is one of those refs.

spliff · 07-20-07, 12:40 PM

Joey Crawford is my guess.

moses millsap · 07-20-07, 12:42 PM

I wonder how quick we'll find out or if it's going to be a drawn out process, if books are going to offer odds on it? I'd like to put a little down on my guess, BS.

isetcap · 07-20-07, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by OWNED

I have a feeling it is Bennett Salvatore.

Certainly could be Salvatore. I seem to remember one official who helped to take down some mafia types prior to becoming an official, but I don't remember his name.

I guess one could speculate Crawford also. It did seem strange that he was removed from the league for handing out a couple of technicals to Princess Duncan for giggling.

ShamsWoof10 · 07-20-07, 12:43 PM

Remember that lakers phoneix game where they scored 25 points in the last 1:30 because the refs kept calling foul after foul...?

moses millsap · 07-20-07, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

Certainly could be Salvatore. I seem to remember one official who helped to take down some mafia types prior to becoming an official, but I don't remember his name.

I believe you are speaking of Bob Delaney.

Seattle Slew · 07-20-07, 01:00 PM

That ref should have been kicked out for the phantom call on Wade in last year's Game 5 that handed the game to Miami. Didn't affect the spread however, since the Mavs were getting 2 1/2 and lost by 1.

Originally posted by isetcap

Certainly could be Salvatore. I seem to remember one official who helped to take down some mafia types prior to becoming an official, but I don't remember his name.

I guess one could speculate Crawford also. It did seem strange that he was removed from the league for handing out a couple of technicals to Princess Duncan for giggling.

rob · 07-20-07, 01:38 PM

Sucks. So much for any hope of more liberalized sports gambling laws.

LargeMouthBass · 07-20-07, 01:43 PM

Do you think they bet the sides or the totals? I think taking the totals for them would be easier to cover up.

moses millsap · 07-20-07, 01:49 PM

Looks like it was Tim Donaghy.

ShamsWoof10 · 07-20-07, 01:49 PM

I don't know LMB but I can tell you this.. The friend who is an official that goes to these camps that these NBA and some NCAA officials conduct tells me if a game is a blowout at the end of 3 the officials running the camp say "Ok guys remember.... game management now.. if there is a foul on the losing team make sure it's a good one and fouls that weren't fouls in the 1st quarter for the losing team might be a foul in the 4th quarter.."

moses millsap · 07-20-07, 02:17 PM

From the ESPN.com poll:

6) How would you grade the overall job that NBA referees did last season?

35.7% C
27.5% D
19.2% F
15.9% B
1.7% A

LOL.

Tchocky · 07-20-07, 02:40 PM

I blame David Stern. One of the worst commissioners in sports.

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by OWNED

Looks like it was Tim Donaghy.

Wow!!! Maybe he can hang with Vick and JJGOLD in the facility

Dark Horse · 07-20-07, 03:41 PM

NBA is as corrupt as Italian soccer used to be. The first people that tend to notice are bettors.

Point shaving is easy. It's harder to let a dog win, but I've seen that too, to the point where players were openly commenting in newspapers: "So this is what it feels like." I kept the article. Stern, look at the tape of the Suns loss at Madison Square Garden from January 2006. Officials: Robby Robinson , Tim Donaghy , Tom Washington

BatemanPatrickl · 07-20-07, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

NBA is as corrupt as Italian soccer used to be. The first people that tend to notice are bettors.

Point shaving is easy. It's harder to let a dog win, but I've seen that too, to the point where players were openly commenting in newspapers: "So this is what it feels like." I kept the article. Stern, look at the tape of the Suns loss at Madison Square Garden from January 2006. Officials: Robby Robinson , Tim Donaghy , Tom Washington

I think there might be more...We shall see!

ShamsWoof10 · 07-20-07, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

NBA is as corrupt as Italian soccer used to be. The first people that tend to notice are bettors.

Point shaving is easy. It's harder to let a dog win, but I've seen that too, to the point where players were openly commenting in newspapers: "So this is what it feels like." I kept the article. Stern, look at the tape of the Suns loss at Madison Square Garden from January 2006. Officials: Robby Robinson , Tim Donaghy , Tom Washington

I remember this and as a matter of fact you guys mentioned it on here... I'm sure the thread is somewhere...

Dark Horse · 07-20-07, 04:06 PM

So many ways to cheat. If you want the over, call a lot of early fouls, especially against the big men on both sides. Opens up the lanes for easy baskets.