I've never gotten a decision like this before

**ihaiha** · 12-02-05, 04:38 PM

Still no response back from Rick or NINE about being paid in full, i emailed yesterday and i am still waiting to hear from them.

**Brooks** · 12-02-05, 05:15 PM

the only rule i see that they are trying to use is:

All sporting event must be played on the date, and site as scheduled unless otherwise specified. Any event postponed, rescheduled, or moved to another site will automatically constitute "No Action"

unfortunately that rule doesnt apply so im pretty confused.

if mybookie really wanted to catch someone taking a shot they would have graded the game as the final result would indicate and see who complains. my guess would have pretty close to zero. and the ones that did complain are the people you dont want at a sportsbook not the people here that are demanding there winning wager be graded properly.

however when you have a group of books like nine.com rated above carib nothing really surprises me.

and just so you know, if you wanted to tease the game between the bears and packers on sunday and took chicago -1, and the packers +13 for a 2 teamer, you would be allowed to make the bet but if you win it will be canceled because the linesmaker there believes its a correlated teaser.

congrats on getting your winning wager graded properly and your account closed. you guys will be much better off because of it.

**ihaiha** · 12-02-05, 05:52 PM

No congrats on anything as of yet Brooks, i have heard nothing back from them regarding getting paid in full, Bill Dozer only informed me here on this forum that after his talks with Rick at NINE that they were willing to offer me those conditions, they have not formally offered that option to me and have not returned 2 emails i have sent them regarding this option as of yet. My wait continues

**Bill Dozer** · 12-03-05, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by timdawg6

Hey man I understand your pain, but You were playing the middle, which is technically not ethical, Im guessing the other site didnt cancel your bet, and you lost that and pushed the other, thats the risk you take when playing the middle

Unless different rules at each book affect the way a bet is graded, I would have to strongly disagree. Sports betting is a tradable market like a stock exchange. The difference is that some sites like Nine, offer a product tailored for the gambler. Traders may be inconvenienced trying to do business and might not want to unpack all their bags right away. For some, it's worth a try.

That's not really relevant to this case though. This is about Nine paying on the bets they cancelled because the game was underway.

Ihaihi,
Have you had a chance to call? You seem to be the only player who hasn't received the credit. Rick should be in in the AM and we can see whats up.

**Illusion** · 12-03-05, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

That's not really relevant to this case though. This is about Nine paying on the bets they cancelled because the game was underway.

Exactly, if this would have happened prior to the game we wouldn't have this mess. Canceling bets after the game is in progress is wrong. Nine is doing the right thing by honoring these bets.

**ihaiha** · 12-03-05, 04:24 AM

Unfortunately my account remains uncredited and my 2 emails have gone unreturned. I am very glad to hear that others have been paid in full on their bets which to me is much better than getting a free play. Actually hearing that i'm the only one left out as of now eases my worries that i WILL be paid for the bet i made and i dont much care about having to terminate my account in order to be paid. I think its best that i just part ways with this book. Also ,even though I havent been paid yet, from what you have said you seem very confident that i will be(obviously they are not going to pay everyone else and not me), i'd very much like to thank you and the people at SBR who assisted me in this matter. I doubt that i would have recieved the same outcome without your help or at the very least it would have been much harder to achieve this result. My sincere thanks. As for calling in the A.M, that is very difficult for me as i'm up all night and sleep during most of the day, hopefully it can get done through email(i dont see why it is so difficult, all they have to do is credit the account and i'll cash out and close it, pretty simple) But anyway, hearing you say everyone else has been paid has made me much less nervous about getting screwed in this whole deal, so thanks for the pick me up

**darkghost** · 12-03-05, 07:06 AM

I'm making a call to Rick in a few hours and let you know how they resolve my case. I called a few times already & never got thru to him (out for the day).

**darkghost** · 12-03-05, 10:32 AM

I took the freeplay deal which was fair IMO. I started this entire thread mainly b/c of how weird the situation was. I never knew a book could cancel a wager just b/c they weren't aware or were mistakenly aware where the game was being played. It seems like its there responsibility to keep up with this info.

**ihaiha** · 12-03-05, 07:27 PM

I recieved an email today from Rick saying he would honor the bet and that i could call accounting on Manday and withdraw. Thank you to Bill Dozer and SBR for helping me clear up this matter.

**Bill Dozer** · 12-04-05, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by darkghost

I took the freeplay deal which was fair IMO. I started this entire thread mainly b/c of how weird the situation was. I never knew a book could cancel a wager just b/c they weren't aware or were mistakenly aware where the game was being played. It seems like its there responsibility to keep up with this info.

darkghost,
This was good feedback for the forum. After the game ended we received about 10 emails. Its nice to see the forum growing to where it reflects what's going on with masses. This place is going to be a valuable tool and I look forward to discussing the issues with players in a group atmosphere.

ihaihi,
You are welcome. I think you made the right choice. That was your win that you could of scored elsewhere had you had the chance to rebet it.

**raiders72001** · 12-04-05, 01:26 AM

Was there a change of venue or was the game scheduled to be played at a neutral site? How did other offshore books and Vegas grade it?

**raiders72001** · 12-04-05, 01:27 AM

You wouldn't think so but you would be surprised at the amount of players who wager only to make these kinds of bets. The worst that can happen is the bet gets canceled and if they lose they have a chance at getting a rebate.

Known as the Mudcat rule.

**Halifax** · 12-04-05, 03:14 AM

I must have been living in a cave the past few years, because contrary to what Bill Dozer and "Nine.com Rick" seem to be well aware of, I wasn't aware that droves of angle shooters are constantly using the "let's look for games at neutral venues at books that forgot to specify that these games are being played at neutral venues" angle. Sounds to me like the sportsbetting equivalent of an urban myth.

I'm of the same opinion as marc ... I think Nine.com should have simply graded the bets as Win/Lose. I would be very surprised if there would even be one person that would complain if their Drexel bet was graded as a loser.

I think most people (1) look at the two teams involved, (2) look at the line on the game, and (c) make their bet. I can't ever recall double checking my betting slip to make sure that the book remembered to designate that the game was being played at a neutral site ... if the line is within reason, and the two listed teams are the proper teams, I place the bet.

**raiders72001** · 12-04-05, 07:00 AM

Halifax- It's a must to take the site of a venue into consideration. Home field advantage means a lot.

**Max Levine** · 12-04-05, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

It's a must to take the site of a venue into consideration. Home field advantage means a lot.

I don't know about this particular game but, in general, Raiders is absolutely right. In fact, in some sports or some instances, it is the main consideration.

Max

**Halifax** · 12-04-05, 09:22 AM

I'm not saying that site location isn't important ... of course it is, and it certainly affects the line.

What I'm saying is, when someone is betting on a game, if the widely available line on the "Team A vs Team B" game is 7, and you log into XYZ book and see that they also have 7 on the game, the bettor doesn't check the betting slip to make sure that "neutral field" is somehow indicated ... they check to make sure that the betting slip indicates Team A is playing Team B, they see that the line is 7, and they make the bet ... if the line is 7 on the betting slip, it is assumed that the "neutral field" is taken into account, since 7 is the widely available line that reflects the neutral field.

**marc** · 12-04-05, 02:59 PM

I would think that 90%+ of bettors who were interested in the drexel/st joe game, and was basing thier bet on where the game was being held, knew full well that the game was in neutral territory.

Venue is importanat for setting the odds. Generally speaking a mistake in venue, implies a mistake in odds that were offered. Thats not the case here. There is gerneral agreement that the odds given and accepted were correct. The only issue here is that Nine failed to print a note for the uninformed players that the game was being held in neutral territory.

9 out of 10 people or more would not have noticed that omission. Nine should well have expected that players with winning wagers would be extremely and rightfully upset. I'm just trying to understand the lgoic of saying to someone who should ahve won, "if you wnat your money, you can have it, but it will mean closing your account." If the objective is to get rid of the "shot takers", your going to lose a lot more than just the shot takers..

As someone else correctly pointed out, if they really eblieved that there were hoardes of shot takes who jumped all over this game, the smart thing to have done would have been to corecctly grafde the wagers, and anyone who asked that their losing wager be voided, those players should have had thier wagers voided and kicked out.

The way they handled this, especially if this was a game they should have made money off of, is simply baffling.

**natrass** · 12-04-05, 03:27 PM

Have to agree with Halifax here.

I dont know what all this is about.

The odds reflect the venue. The only person who bets a game and doesn't know where the venue is must be a tiny minority and they must take that responsibility.

Why didnt Nine just say "we listed the wrong venue but all bets stand as they were correctly priced and in line with the market".

Who on earth can demand a refund because they stated the wrong venue?

**marc** · 12-04-05, 04:25 PM

See once you acknowledge having the wrong venue, then you open yourselves up to those who weren't aware of the error insiting that all the wager we voided. Thats why i think it would have been best to say nothing, and see who steps foward demanding a refund. I'd be curious to knwo how Nine even caught the error after the game began