Are we now seeing the real post-Cowher Steelers?

B1GER1C828 · 12-09-09, 01:28 AM

I don't care what anybody says..i've been alive for 19 years, and in that span of watching football i think cowher was the best coach i ever saw. But with that said Seer, i dont think any team/coach would match what cowher did for the team under his years. He was an incredible coach. Even with Tomlin's win, he isnt nearly as good as Cowher.

Chi_archie · 12-09-09, 01:31 AM

Cowher had his down years with the Stillers too.... its the NFL

lakerboy · 12-09-09, 01:38 AM

Lol steelers always flip flop

Chi_archie · 12-09-09, 01:42 AM

after the Stillers won the Super bowl WITH cowher, they went 8-8 and did not make the playoffs the next year WITH cowher..... so even this core collection of players had mediocrity in them WITH cowher.....

tomlin took the same group, took them back to 10-6 and the playoffs, and then the super bowl the next year... not too bad..

this year ain't over yet either... 2005 Steelers were 7-5 at this point in the season and needed to win all 4 remaining games to get the last wild card spot and won 3 straight games ON THE ROAD, before winning the super bowl....

so don't count them out just yet

The Seer · 12-09-09, 01:44 AM

arch, i just thought this would spark some interesting responses

Chi_archie · 12-09-09, 01:46 AM

I hope my response was informed and interesting enough

MilfDriller · 12-09-09, 02:09 AM

he sucks ass.

he will tumble his team into consistent shit.

George Siefert
Coach Webber
Tubby Smith

Ty Willingham
Weiss
Coach Harris

The top 3 are guys that inherited a winning hand... played it out and won.... then turned their teams to shit. The bottom 3 simply suck ass... and prolly slurp the juice straight out of the ass.

That ring w/o Pitino.... that belongs to him... not to the retard coach at Minny who can't tell the difference between toilet paper and a table napkin.

Good fortune sometimes shines on one. As does the opposite have it's effect.

Example of a tennis loser: Djokovic

Example of a tennis winner: Roddick

Djokovic has all the talent in the world... if he was driven and didn't have an ass vagina, he'd be able to win 4 or 5 slams.

Roddick, on the other hand, does not have the talent of a Djoker... but he could have won 3 more slams were it not for running into Fed at the inopportune time.

You have to discern who and what a coach or player really is. Cowher is Billacheat's bitch. Cowher is an inferior coach. Cowher knows that Billacheat owns him. Ditto for Dungy being owned.

MilfDriller · 12-09-09, 02:14 AM

I have questions as to the 'greatness' of Coach Pop.

Coach Brown is a good coach.. but when he was w/o the horses at the Knicks, he was terrible.

Soon Pop will be w/o Duncan and if he doesn't luckily win the draft lottery like he did previously, he will have mediocrity in San Anton.

roasthawg · 12-09-09, 02:14 AM

Nah, Colbert is the gm... it's his team, not the head coaches. He drafts studs... that's what keeps the Steelers at a high level.

MilfDriller · 12-09-09, 02:17 AM

Roast, never underestimate the power of a Siefert.

He is a cancer just like Willingham. I'm telling that's what Tomlin will generate after years as the Stillas coach.

roasthawg · 12-09-09, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by MilfDriller

Roast, never underestimate the power of a Siefert.

He is a cancer just like Willingham. I'm telling that's what Tomlin will generate after years as the Stillas coach.

As long as they have Colber they'll stay in the hunt. It's like the Chargers with AJ Smith... they can have a bottom 5 hc in the league and they'll still win a lot of games because the gm knows how to draft.

btraband · 12-09-09, 02:23 AM

interesting, Steelers not done yet!

MilfDriller · 12-09-09, 03:26 AM

The Stillas will deliver this.

Y1: lose 1st Rd
Y2: Superbowl
Y3: lose 1st Rd/miss playoffs
Y4: lose 1st Rd/miss playoffs

So after next year they'll say that only during one year did Tomlin win a playoff game.

Art Vandeleigh · 12-09-09, 04:10 AM

I think you are seeing the post-healthy-Troy Polamalu era.

jerseykingpin · 12-09-09, 04:46 AM

Only way to tell who is better is when Tomlins there as long as Cowher other wise you cant

BEANTOWNJIM · 12-09-09, 04:56 AM

Boys just like the patriots once you win the superbowl its hard to keep your key players all the other teams want the winning experience players bring.the patriots and the steelers refuse to pay players top dollars and they become free agents and move on.

jjgold · 12-09-09, 06:07 AM

Tomlin is an idiot who cannot read and write, he is a figure head only

illmatick · 12-09-09, 06:21 AM

please jj, doubt you could beat the man in an iq test

msec512 · 12-09-09, 08:43 AM

Whisenhunt was the guy that should have gotten the job. He was the brains behind Cowher's SB win.

Mudcat · 12-09-09, 08:50 AM

Seems like about 4 weeks ago after their systematic dismantling of Denver for a 5th consecutive win, everyone was putting the Steelers right there with the Saints/Vikings/Colts as leading Super Bowl contenders.

Now this.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I think Tomlin is very good.

AMBlai01 · 12-09-09, 08:50 AM

Tomlin is not as good as Cowher but he is still a solid coach. Tomlin and the Steelers had a down year the year after they won the superbowl the first time too. I realize that had something to do with Big Ben bouncing his head off a windshield but still.

To say that one bad year makes a coach any less of a coach is insane. The Steelers aren't even having an awful year. It isn't like they are 2-10 right now.

jjgold · 12-09-09, 08:51 AM

Tomlin got the job to fill NFL quotas, we all know blacks cannot be head coaches in the NFL, only reason they are in NFL is because of some sort of NFL policy, in college they are rare because no policy and colleges want to give the job to best qualified and not a lesser coach because of some sort of minority quota.. They have their roles of course on coaching rosters and many great as defensive coaches, offensive, etc. Mike is a good guy and good to have on staff but not head coach material.

SpiderMonkey · 12-09-09, 08:52 AM

I think the Steelers win out ... still probably not enough to make the playoffs.
4th quarter collapses point to coaching ... that being said, Tomlin better than any coach out there [including Cowher not that he's a couple of years removed from the game]

illmatick · 12-09-09, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Tomlin got the job to fill NFL quotas, we all know blacks cannot be head coaches in the NFL, only reason they are in NFL is because of some sort of NFL policy, in college they are rare because no policy and colleges want to give the job to best qualified and not a lesser coach because of some sort of minority quota.. They have their roles of course on coaching rosters and many great as defensive coaches, offensive, etc. Mike is a good guy and good to have on staff but not head coach material.

says the guy with an iq of a deaf mole rat

jj gold in the flesh

Reload · 12-09-09, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh

I think you are seeing the post-healthy-Troy Polamalu era.

It's totally different with him out, AV.

koby25 · 12-09-09, 09:27 AM

I heat that John Fox is on the way out the door and the Panthers have been talking to Cowher.

Waiting4Godot · 12-09-09, 09:27 AM

I think it's a combination of Ben getting too many concussions/hits... and the defense finally not getting the lucky breaks it used to get. Troy being out isn't helping either. It's like too many players got used to Troy making up for their mistakes.

Is it a Tomlin thing? Too soon to tell.

FishFace5 · 12-09-09, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh

I think you are seeing the post-healthy-Troy Polamalu era.

This. Revolver referred to it as well. When you lose the best safety in the game and the leader of your defense things can go bad fast. I think Tomlin is a good coach and will be for a while. I also think JJ is an idiot and he should try keeping his ignorant mouth closed a lil more.

koby25 · 12-09-09, 09:38 AM

I think you need an avatar.

jillmark · 12-09-09, 09:39 AM

No question he is not as good as Cowher. I hate the Steelers but loved coach Cowher. It is tough to repeat in this league and Pittsburgh is struggling with key injuries and some bad luck. I don't think they will even make the playoffs this year, but you would have to be crazy to think they are falling apart. They will be right back in contention next year. Trust me, I am a dolphins fan and I live in "Steeler Country" and I cannot stand them, but you have to give them credit for what they have done.

Scorpion · 12-09-09, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by msec512

Whisenhunt was the guy that should have gotten the job. He was the brains behind Cowher's SB win.

BINGO!!!!

The steelers hired the wrong HC, just like the Cowboys, they did not hire the offensive coord Sean Peyton and let him go to NO

Imagine if the stellers had not scored that TD in the last 2 minuts of the SB and had lost to AZ, Tomlin had nothing to do with those last 2 minutes, he has to thank the offense and Big Ben

jerseykingpin · 12-09-09, 10:09 AM

Yes Cowher was a great coach and YES he had his up and down yrs to where they didnt make the playoffs . Cowher record being head coach from 92-06 was 149 wins 90 loses 1 tie W%L % is .571 with only 2 AFC Champions games and 1 Super Bowl So when Tomlin hits 15yrs then we can see who was better you cant compare a guy who coach 15yrs to a guy who only there 3 yrs The MATH dont add up

statnerds · 12-09-09, 10:12 AM

Tomlin is better than Cowher. whine about everything you want, but i watched my Black N Gold have talented O and D year after year after year after year and the Chin couldn't close the deal. he stuck with Stewart even after it was obvious he couldn't read a defense and would never be able to. once teams figured out to keep in the pocket and make him throw, it was over, as it will be with Vince Young. and believe me, that whole yelling and spitting thing wore thin not only with us fans but the players as well.

you can't blame Tomlin for losing McFadden and Foote. and with Troy and Smith down, you are talking about 4 starters from the SB defense gone and they still are dominating teams, sometimes for only 3 quarters though.

Tomlin's only mistake is sticking with fukking Arians. the guys sucks. it has nothing to do with Tomlin. Offense had the Cheifs on the ropes and didn't put them away. started off the game vs Oakland with a kick return to the 10 and settled for a FG? fukk that. you put that ball in the endzone and make a shitty team quit on the road. same thing vs Cincy both games this year....the offense has not finished drives and or teams off. they put up 500 yards on the Chiefs and could only put 24 pts on the board? Arians is the best OC between the 20's ever. you get in OT vs the Chiefs and you call a run on 2nd and 3rd down making the FG like 50 yards or whatever? you fukking douche. he started killing the clock in the Raiders game when it was 10-6 and 12:00 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

defense still gives up less than 300 yards per game. take out all the SP Teams and defensive TDs against and the Steelers D holding opp to like 17 a game or less.

and Ben's play has switched between awesome and awful, often in the same game. again, vs Oakland, you can't throw a pick in the endzone when you have a chance to put away a shitty team. it was 10-6 right before half. 17-6, no way Oakland comes back. instead Ben fukks up again.

finally, this season should help illustrate the thin line between winning and losing in the NFL. Steelers have injuries out the ass on defense. should also make every doubter/hater realize how fukking unbelievably good Troy is. every NFL team is ultra thin now due to Salary Cap, that one or two injuries is all it takes.

so by your raionale, Belichick isn't a good coach?

best quote ever:

"Pressure is putting food on the table for your family. All we do is play a game."

Tomlin when asked before his first ever preseason game about the pressure of taking over as HC of one the most storied and winning franchises in the NFL.

Scorpion · 12-09-09, 10:28 AM

Steelers are bad in all areas, worst special teams, bad defense too, its all on Tomlin

Steelers hired the wrong HC, they should have hired Whiz, he has done a fantastic job in AZ

When AZ was beating a 10-1 Minny team, Steelers were losing to a bad 3-7 team

With Cowher if you had the lead in the 4th Q you knew he will lose the lead and the game, with Tomlin its happening game after game, just like the SB

I think Tomlin has lost this team and the players, after his stupid "unleash hell" comment the team did not show up and played its worst game of the year