Are we now seeing the real post-Cowher Steelers?

[3PtShooter]

might be over for steelers "if" Browns pull the upset this week

[3PtShooter]

plus they should have kept Rosenhunt who they let go zona

[Scorpion]

Raiders: Mike Tomlin's 'unleash hell' comment motivated their win vs. Steelers

The only hell unleashed in Pittsburgh on Sunday was done by the Oakland Raiders.

And the underdog victors relished doling out a loss that was painful to the 6-6 Steelers' playoff hopes.

Following the Steelers' loss in Week 12 against Baltimore, Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin vowed to "unleash hell in December."

And the Raiders, their first opponent in December, took noticed -- and were offended.

"It helped motivate us," Oakland center Samson Satele told thePittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Receiver Todd Watkins told the paper he hopes someone from the Redskins (the Raiders' next opponent) makes a similar comment.

"Oh, yeah. We had his comments up on the board," Watkins said. "That kind of drove us all week, when you make a statement like that." -- Sean Leahy

[xxxvince]

if mike tomlin is white, we wont be talking this right now. racist thread

[jjgold]

Lets face it Tomlin won a superbowl on two miracle plays not coaching.

[illmatick]

shutup mole rat

[jjgold]

You can make a living betting against black coaches, I am tired of guys getting jobs that are undeserved just too fill quotas, I actually think it killed this Country if you look at all aspects of employment, do a study who has a better work ethic in the American work force whites or blacks, compare attendance rates, firings, etc and you make your own decisions.

[statnerds]

Steelers are bad in all areas, worst special teams, bad defense too, its all on Tomlin

They have the 7th ranked offense and 5th ranked defense in the NFL.

When AZ was beating a 10-1 Minny team, Steelers were losing to a bad 3-7 team

Ummm, why was the Minny team 10-1

are you trying to come off as ill-informed and ignorant?

only thing you got right was their atrocious special teams.

[statnerds]

You can make a living betting against black coaches,

what the fukk did you do when Colts played Bears in Superbowl?

[Scorpion]

Steelers hired the wrong HC
They should have hired Whiz, big mistake, what he has done in AZ is very impressive

[jerseykingpin]

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[The Seer]

LOL, I knew this thread would start a good debate

[lyon804]

Hate to sound like a racist here, but here goes anyways.... I personally don't like the black coaches. My main reason is... They suck at being good manager's of people are anything else for that manner. Being a good professinal head coach entails so much more than knowing your X's and O's. You really are the CEO of the team and must run it accordingly.

Back to an old coach. In college, but the same applies.

"Bear Bryant" one of the best coaches that ever lived in any sport and was dumber than whore shit. He was a drunk that couldn't pore piss out of a boot, but he was a good manager of people and hire "football men" to coach the team while he ran the organization.

[Waiting4Godot]

When AZ was beating a 10-1 Minny team, Steelers were losing to a bad 3-7 team

Uhm, the Steelers were the ones to give Minny that 1st loss...

Another important thing to remember when comparing the two teams is that the running game is vastly different. The bread and butter of the Steelers' offense was to run, run, run the ball late in the game and eat up the clock with Bettis. They just can't do that anymore... and it's now in the 4th quarter that the Steelers are losing games.

I think the real issue is with the defense which is Dick LeBeau's world, not so much Tomlin's. Perhaps it's finally time for Lebeau to call it quits?

[Skidcom]

Cowher was OK...It is very much about an overall system and philosophy in Pitt. Just a SB hangover. Back to the playoffs next year and another SB within 5 years

[The General]

Could it be that the Steelers organization is willing to give up on the season now that it looks unlikely that they will even remotely make playoffs and try for a Best Draft Pick for next season? Start rebuilding with a nice corps group now and prepare for 2010?

[The Seer]

For this particular night, Steelers are not prepared compared to the Browns.

[Scorpion]

Could it be that the Steelers organization is willing to give up on the season now that it looks unlikely that they will even remotely make playoffs and try for a Best Draft Pick for next season? Start rebuilding with a nice corps group now and prepare for 2010?

No, I think Tomlin really wants to win this game but the players have given up on Tomlin, its obvious, too much BS maks you look bad

[daneblazer]

Don't give me this "Tomlin won a SB" line. Barry Switzer won one too but we know who really put that team together. THoughts?

I'll chalk it up to injuries this year...but that's a very good overall observation. I honestly wouldn't even say its Tomlin or their front office but its more a case of "what goes around comes around". Their o-line still sucks and the majority of the team isn't getting any younger. They aren't a one year fix team. I expect them to be an average team next year.

[lakerboy]

if mike tomlin is white, we wont be talking this right now. racist thread

yes we would

Lets face it Tomlin won a superbowl on two miracle plays not coaching.

agreed but so did cowher on bullshit officiating

shutup mole rat

ahhh

You can make a living betting against black coaches, I am tired of guys getting jobs that are undeserved just too fill quotas, I actually think it killed this Country if you look at all aspects of employment, do a study who has a better work ethic in the American work force whites or blacks, compare attendance rates, firings, etc and you make your own decisions.

then why havent you made that living doing what you say here?

[BadNina]

Sporty is throwing things at the tv

[stocker08]

give him a break. he won a super bowl.

[waco66]

wheres the steelers oline? people were talking about how they improved in the beginning of the season....well, everyone on that oline should be cut


however...the under was the play!

[MilfDriller]

I already gave you all the answer.

It's called 'George Siefert-ication'.

Classic examples are GS himself and Tubby Smith. Tomlin is the next GS guy.

Next year he will miss the playoffs or lose in the 1st round.... making a track record of 4 years as coach and only 1 year having produced a + result in the playoffs.

The question is really how long it will take for them to fire him given the PC climate in the US. Look what happened at Wash in Seattle. They couldn't fire Willingsham when they wanted to b/c of PC/race concerns so they let him coach another year... and produced one of the worst teams in the history of college football. Lol.

This shit is as clear as day.

But Tomlin will be coaching the Steelers in his 5th year... same old, same old.

[lyon804]

I already gave you all the answer.

It's called 'George Siefert-ication'.

Classic examples are GS himself and Tubby Smith. Tomlin is the next GS guy.

Next year he will miss the playoffs or lose in the 1st round.... making a track record of 4 years as coach and only 1 year having produced a + result in the playoffs.

The question is really how long it will take for them to fire him given the PC climate in the US. Look what happened at Wash in Seattle. They couldn't fire Willingsham when they wanted to b/c of PC/race concerns so they let him coach another year... and produced one of the worst teams in the history of college football. Lol.

This shit is as clear as day.

But Tomlin will be coaching the Steelers in his 5th year... same old, same old.

You nailed it MilfDriller. I am sick and tired of the PC police in America. It was the fukking quotas that got him the job in the first place.

[The Seer]

give him a break. he won a super bowl.

see the original post

[MJFtheGenius]

rothlisberger has been exposed

[Shahbucks]

Stealer's historically hire a coach and stick with them for a long time. Only time will answer this question.

[Rig]

Need to see another 2 years

[Madukwe]

Tomlin isn't a great coach, Ben isn't a great QB

Easy to win when your predecessor builds the team and your QB only had to throw it 16 or so times a game

Ben is quickly fading now that he has David Carr-esque protection and an average running game

[Shahbucks]

You can make a living betting against black coaches.

what the fukk did you do when Colts played Bears in Superbowl?

[statnerds]

i say again Bruce Arians must be fukking fired. i've been saying it for two fukking years now and still i have to watch this predictable offense get stymied in the redzone every game. and then i have to watch them get dominated by the NFL's worst defense. he makes zero adjustments. he calls the wrong play at the wrong time everytime. he made zero adjustments between the first and second Bengals games with predictable results.

the D-line is old. Farrior is done, he looks like he is in his 40s.

your question for the day:

how many offensive coordinators win a Superbowl and don't even get mentioned for one of the many (7 or 8?) open HC jobs?

[Scorpion]

No, the real problem is Mike Tomlin

Mike Tomlin is Barry Switzer without a college resume

Rooneys hired the cheapest dirtbag they could find


Arians is not the reason the steelers are so bad on defense and special teams too

The players have quit on Mike Tomlin

[Scorpion]

when was the last time super bowl champs lost 5 in a row the following year??

[The Seer]

Tomlin, you dumb fukker