Carrying Cash in the airport

[Indecent]

I've told you over and over the combination of everything has let me to that belief

But what about the combination? I'm asking you to try to decide which of the factors is most important in making your 50%+ assumption. If you remove one of the details, how does you opinion change?

I'm trying to challenge you to explain your point further and think about how your opinion changes if the details of the case change. Can you think of any detail when left out would make you consider him not being in it for the money? I don't understand where you are coming from and maybe some more detail would help. Surely changing these factors would change your decision?

[Indecent]

And this was my post before you even entered the fukkin thread

Still not relevant.

Go back and re-read my posts. My problem was with you stating your opinion as fact in your first 4 posts of the thread. I never said you are wrong or that you wouldn't give him the money, and I never said you didn't clarify that it was your opinion later. If you don't agree that you were expressing your opinion as fact in those posts, please explain how or why. I don't see it, but maybe I'm missing something.

[poker_dummy101]

I'm trying to challenge you to explain your point further and think about how your opinion changes if the details of the case change.

No you aren't, you are trying to state that what I said was a fact by law... when in FACT I said in a court of law I would have to give him his money. Surely you realize you don't have to include IN MY OPINION every time you state something that isn't beyond a reasonable doubt?

You seem to be doing to me exactly what I said the guy was doing to them while you are actually arguing for the guy.


[quote=Indecent;2585911]
But what about the combination? I'm asking you to try to decide which of the factors is most important in making your 50%+ assumption. If you remove one of the details, how does you opinion change?

This wasn't your question, but each thing is dependant on the other. If I saw another case I would have to see the details and then come to my own conclusion.

[poker_dummy101]

Still not relevant.

Go back and re-read my posts. My problem was with you stating your opinion as fact in your first 4 posts of the thread. I never said you are wrong or that you wouldn't give him the money, and I never said you didn't clarify that it was your opinion later. If you don't agree that you were expressing your opinion as fact in those posts, please explain how or why. I don't see it, but maybe I'm missing something.

Exactly, you're not even challenging what combinations matter, you don't know wtf you are challenging. I answer one thing and you want to change it to the other.

Lets just pretend you believe in God and go to church.

You say there is a God and you give your reasons. You don't say in my opinion and all this other shit.. are you 10 or what?

[Indecent]

Here you are again claiming I was throwing FACTS. get a fukkin clue
http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...tive+reasoning

Speaking of getting a clue, you might want to consider the difference between inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning.

Deductive reasoning is not what you are after. You are thinking of inductive reasoning, where you move from a set of facts to a more general truth using reason. Even if you had the right definition, using inductive reasoning with the given set of facts would never allow you to form the more general truth you want to.

But hey, who am I to point out another facet of your argument which is wrong?

[poker_dummy101]

Speaking of getting a clue, you might want to consider the difference between inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning.

Deductive reasoning is not what you are after. You are thinking of inductive reasoning, where you move from a set of facts to a more general truth using reason. Even if you had the right definition, using inductive reasoning with the given set of facts would never allow you to form the more general truth you want to.

But hey, who am I to point out another facet of your argument which is wrong?

you are right there and i got the two confused, my bad.. but my point is still the same

[Indecent]

Exactly, you're not even challenging what combinations matter, you don't know wtf you are challenging. I answer one thing and you want to change it to the other.

Exactly. You answer one question and it leads me to another.

First I wanted you to acknowledge that you can't state your opinion as fact as you have been. If you don't think stating something without leaving any doubt for the contrary is a fact, it's a difference in semantics at this point. Second, I wanted you to try to explain your reasoning behind why you thought the way you did so I can try to understand. Even if I disagreed, I was curious to see which of the factors was most important in forming your opinion, and how it would change. No bad intentions here, just trying to see into your mind a bit more.

One question/topic doesn't nix the other. My questions started broad until I actually had something more specific to ask about your beliefs. Are you not comfortable with the conversation changing direction?

[Indecent]

Lets just pretend you believe in God and go to church.

You say there is a God and you give your reasons. You don't say in my opinion and all this other shit.. are you 10 or what?

I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to be careful in what they say. I would say "I think....", or "I believe...", etc.

Example: Nicene Creed... "We believe in one God.." First sentence.

[poker_dummy101]

I'm challenging you to explain your position. First I wanted you to acknowledge that you can't state your opinion as fact as you have been. Second, I wanted you to try to explain your reasoning behind why you thought the way you did so I can try to understand.

This is my last response in this thread. You are trying to argue how one should write an opionated view that they believe in a sentence. This is laughable at best.

Another example:
Democrats have opinions on how to run things.
Republicans have opinions on how to run things.

These are opinions that are beliefs. When someone runs for office they don't say, I think, In my opinion, or any other opinionated subject. It is "this is how to do it and its the right way".

It is unfortunate you cannot differentiate fact and opinion without it being directly stated in the sentence.

All the evidence gives me a greater possibility than 50% that he was trying for this to happen but not above a reasonable doubt in a court of law by any means.

EDIT: And even if he did try for it to happen.. it doesn't make it right (what the cops did) and he should have been given a settlement.. which he was

[kchristy96]

I've never had any problems on planes

[tltaylor89]

What have I started

[poker_dummy101]

What have I started

This thread refreshed my memory on inductive and deductive reasoning so it was a success

[Indecent]

It is unfortunate you cannot differentiate fact and opinion without it being directly stated in the sentence.

I think it's more unfortunate that you are too lazy to clarify your point with three words. "In my opinion........".

People don't always need to preface their statements with this, but if you don't want to be misunderstood you should clarify better. If you don't understand that, well, I don't know what to tell you.

[Indecent]

These are opinions that are beliefs. When someone runs for office they don't say, I think, In my opinion, or any other opinionated subject. It is "this is how to do it and its the right way".

How does this make it right? I don't follow your logic.

[poker_dummy101]

I think it's more unfortunate that you are too lazy to clarify your point with three words. "In my opinion........".

People don't always need to preface their statements with this, but if you don't want to be misunderstood you should clarify better. If you don't understand that, well, I don't know what to tell you.

when you make something and it tastes bad.. do you say this shit sucks or do you say in my opinion this shit sucks?

[poker_dummy101]

How does this make it right? I don't follow your logic.

talk about unclear sentences

[Indecent]

when you make something and it tastes bad.. do you say this shit sucks or do you say in my opinion this shit sucks?

"I think the food sucks", "I didn't think it was very good", "I was disappointed with the food", etc. I'm careful not to state things in absolutes due to my job and training.

Am I wrong? Is it too much to expect others to do the same? Do most people think it's not worth the time?

To me, there's an important distinction between "This food sucks" and "I think the food sucks". It doesn't necessarily mean the first person is stating as an absolute fact that the food sucks, but I do think they used poor wording. It might not be intentional, but they read differently.

The fact that you made a statement like that no less than 4 times in this thread made it seem more likely you didn't just inadvertently leave "I think.." out.

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

Poker dummy do you work for the tsa?

HEY, YOU'RE JUST DOING YOUR JOB. I FEEL YOU DUDE.

[Indecent]

talk about unclear sentences

[poker_dummy101]

Unreal.

Read every thread on here:

Guaranteed Locks
Stay away from NBA
This game is a no bet
Too early to bet college hoops
etc etc

I hope you don't find those as 100% facts but merely as peoples' beliefs that clearly wouldn't hold in a court of law

[poker_dummy101]

HEY, YOU'RE JUST DOING YOUR JOB. I FEEL YOU DUDE.

It's sad that after three page you still don't understand that what I think the TSA did was wrong.

Go back to betting -178 favs because they are a good bet while -174s are not. ok pal?

[Indecent]

No one is careful about their wording so it's ok not be? Be happy as another sheep who doesn't think for himself?

Got it.

Thanks!

Edit: Again, for you help... Am I wrong? Is it too much to expect others to do the same? Do most people think it's not worth the time?

I'm being serious... Is it stupid to expect people to actually put time and thought into what they post?

[poker_dummy101]

You used "this" and "it" without any other nouns so I didn't know what you were referring to. Surely someone as grammatically correct as you knows that those words are very vague.

[poker_dummy101]

Edit: Again, for you help... Am I wrong? Is it too much to expect others to do the same? Do most people think it's not worth the time?

I'm being serious... Is it stupid to expect people to actually put time and thought into what they post?

I think the majority of people can tell the difference between:
1. An opinion
2. An opinion that is believed to be a fact
3. A fact

[Indecent]

You used "this" and "it" without any other nouns so I didn't know what you were referring to. Surely someone as grammatically correct as you knows that those words are very vague.

"This" and "it" referred to the quoted text of yours, but you already knew that. I probably should have been more clear though...

Do you see the irony of you jumping on me for a small error in writing but you aren't willing to admit your own? I have no problems with my own shortcomings, never claimed to be perfect.

[poker_dummy101]

"This" and "it" referred to the quoted text of yours, but you already knew that. I probably should have been more clear though...

Do you see the irony of you jumping on me for a small error in writing but you aren't willing to admit your own? I have no problems with my own shortcomings, never claimed to be perfect.

I knew what you were referring to, just as you knew what I was talking about in the beginning (an opinion I believe to be a fact). That is the whole irony that you still don't understand I guess.

[Indecent]

I knew what you were referring to, just as you knew what I was talking about in the beginning (an opinion I believe to be a fact). That is the whole irony that you still don't understand I guess.

I didn't though, that's the point. I didn't start an argument for the sake of starting one, I honestly thought you felt there was no way he wasn't guilty of planning the incident. And with the 4 posts I previously quoted, I don't think I'm wrong in making that assumption as you had 4 chances to clarify your opinion but did not. Another poster even chimed in to agree with me, and there are probably more who see my point too.

Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong for chastising your for your mistake, can we at least agree that if you were more careful in your wording there would be no confusion?

[poker_dummy101]

1. It is an opinion believed to be fact by me, right or wrong... it would not hold up in a court of law, I have said this.
2. The wording in the beginning could have been written better. People were arguing with me that he should've gotten money and I do not disagree with that. Even this cube moron has come in here saying I am defending TSA which I never have in this thread.
3. (and the most important by far). 5-6 mins before YOU posted claiming I posted a fact, I said: And if this went to court, obviously I would have to side with the guy..but in my opinion I think what he did was shady

So tell me.. when you clicked on the thread and read everything I had said up to that point, how could you not think I was posting an opinion I believed to be factual. IN MY OPINION was included BEFORE YOU EVEN POSTED to make it obvious it was an opinion believed to be fact.

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

I haven't read all 3 pages of your thread. Be glad you have a steady job at the airport.

-178, vs, -174, never seen either of those prices anywhere. I do think -215s are a better value than -200 money lines.

Lets see some kind of record before you start crapping on my strategy.

[poker_dummy101]

I haven't read all 3 pages of your thread. Be glad you have a steady job at the airport..

But you sure have an opinion believed to be true. Good for you

-. I do think -215s are a better value than -200 money lines.

No need to give this guy any more attention

[garlic pie]

Could you point me somewhere to read about this (and its not asking in a smartass way but a curious way)

Evidently, he eventually got most of his money, it seems:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/25/dishwasher.fine/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[poker_dummy101]

thanks

[Indecent]

So tell me.. when you clicked on the thread and read everything I had said up to that point, how could you not think I was posting an opinion I believed to be factual. IN MY OPINION was included BEFORE YOU EVEN POSTED to make it obvious it was an opinion believed to be fact.

Easy, I probably stopped reading your drivel after seeing it regurgitated 4 or 5 times before.

[tltaylor89]

Rofl this was funny

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

Why not have an opinion dummy? Who would defend the tsa? What does my -215 comment have to do with attention? You brought it up.

So what are the requirements to get hired on to tsa? What is the pay/hours etc.?