US Admits Defeat in Antigua Gambling Case at the WTO

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  • JC
    SBR Sharp
    • 08-23-05
    • 481

    #1
    US Admits Defeat in Antigua Gambling Case at the WTO
    US Admits Defeat in Antigua Gambling Case at the WTO

    Seeks to take ball and go home

    While Americans Eagerly Expand Domestic Gambling, the Normally Free-Trading United States Trade Representative Announces a Bizarre Move at the WTO to Cutoff the Foreign Competition: Is the Bush administration morally opposed to online gambling or just trying to stifle the foreign competition?

    Washington D.C. (4 May 2007) - Today the Antigua Gambling case before the World Trade Organization (WTO) took a stunning turn of events. After suffering defeat after defeat, and with one appeal remaining, the United States has announced it is withdrawing its commitments in the gaming sector from its GATS schedule. This move by the United States is unprecedented in the WTO.

    Antigua and Barbuda, one of the smallest members of the WTO, had successfully challenged the United States’ protectionist trade policy against remote wagering. Just when the United States was facing with having to comply with the ruling, the US is trying to walk away from the process.

    This has international trade implications and could lead to the break up of the WTO. What is the point of having an international trading system enforced by a neutral court in Geneva when a developing member like Antigua successfully challenges the largest trading member in the world, and the large trading member simply quits after a losing verdict in one case? What is the developing world supposed to think after a small country with virtually no resources invests three years and millions of dollars challenging a large member who simply “takes his ball and goes home” after losing a case? How can an international trade dispute process work when a large country can change the playing field whenever there is an adverse decision against them?

    This will forever mark the United States as a country not committed to free and fair trade, but as a sore loser on the global stage. The rest of the world is watching this move and it will be at the forefront of their minds as the United States tries to press for more concessions from smaller nations at the present DOHA round of negotiations.

    The USTR claims today that it made its GATS commitment by mistake and that no WTO member could have anticipated remote gambling back in 1993 when the United States and other countries were drafting their international commitments to open their markets to recreational services. These claims are absurd and disingenuous.

    By 1993, the concept of cross-border remote gambling was not new to anyone. At the time the GATS schedules were being drafted, the “remote” gambling industry was a thriving business in America, and had been in existence for more than 100 years! In the early 1990s there were state-owned and operated betting enterprise that had been openly offering telephone wagering to residents of New York and certain other states for years. Is the USTR claiming today it didn’t know in the early 1990s about the Interstate Horseracing Act (IHA), a federal law passed in 1978 for the specific purpose of regulating interstate bets on horse races?

    The existence of cross-border gambling in America was an old concept by the early 1990s. There were mail order lotteries and race wires before the 20th century began. How could the USTR have not known in the early 1990s that gambling could occur via electronic means?

    The USTR’s claim that it mistakenly committed to gambling in the early 1990s is simply untrue. Of the 150 countries who participate in the GATS, more 100 excluded gambling in their schedules. Most WTO members excluded gambling by simply not including the applicable sector, Sector 10 (Recreational, Cultural and Sporting Services), in their GATS schedules. But a number of countries, even in the early to mid 1990s, had the foresight to “opt out” making a commitment to allow foreign countries to provide cross-border gambling services. For instance, the European Community, Austria, Finland, Croatia, Slovenia and Sweden excluded cross-border gambling services from their GATS schedules under Sector 10. So did Egypt, Iceland, and Peru. Even Senegal had the foresight to exclude foreign gambling operators when it submitted its GATS schedule.

    It is difficult to comprehend why the USTR is saying the gambling commitment was made by mistake. As part of the lengthy process to negotiate the GATS schedules, the US had longstanding access to its trading partners’ draft GATS schedules. These draft schedules had clear and unambiguous exclusions of remote cross-border gambling services. The US knew full and well what it was committing to back in 1993, and is only trying to back out now to avoid having to comply with the Antigua WTO ruling.
  • WWTSblows
    SBR High Roller
    • 10-14-06
    • 161

    #2
    Wow, I'm not sure exactly what the fallout of this is going to be, but I am guessing this isn't good.
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    • Korchnoi
      SBR Sharp
      • 10-20-06
      • 406

      #3
      you need to get Drudge to put this info out there.
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      • Seattle Slew
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 01-02-06
        • 7373

        #4
        There was no way the US was ever going to implement the WTO's ruling on gambling. This is not a surprise, but expected.

        However, if the US won the case, they would have praised how the WTO is a fair process.
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        • SBR_John
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 07-12-05
          • 16471

          #5
          We have been saying they would do this for years. The US simply doesn’t care nor do they have to. The WTO will still go on. The US has trade deficits with every country except maybe Canada. Does any one think that anyone running a trade surplus with the US(as in the whole world) is going to fall on their sword over this?? Nope. Turn the page. It was a noble try by a lot of good people. But the Gloden Rule trumps, as always.
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          • gotsteam
            SBR High Roller
            • 05-25-06
            • 200

            #6
            Originally posted by SBR_John
            We have been saying they would do this for years. The US simply doesn’t care nor do they have to. The WTO will still go on. The US has trade deficits with every country except maybe Canada. Does any one think that anyone running a trade surplus with the US(as in the whole world) is going to fall on their sword over this?? Nope. Turn the page. It was a noble try by a lot of good people. But the Gloden Rule trumps, as always.
            Excellent timing for the US to go home and abandon the WTO

            Now their complaint against China can fall to the side and the chinese can continue to pirate and hurt the US companies.

            Also, excellent news for Antigua as they can start to mint MS Vista copies and sell them for $99 for full versions and make a lot of money for the islands

            Perhaps bottling Coke without permission would be profitable for them as well

            I wish both countries would do what they can to damage these other US companies.

            One would think such actions would teach a lesson, however the truth is generally speaking Americans are far too ignorant and arrogant to learn anything.
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            • SBR_John
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 07-12-05
              • 16471

              #7
              See thats my point Gosteam. The complaint against China will not be affected in any way. You wont here a peep out of China on this. China runs a 50 zill-a-frigging-billion dollar(folks, its a lot) trade surplus with the US as does everyone else.
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              • gotsteam
                SBR High Roller
                • 05-25-06
                • 200

                #8
                Originally posted by SBR_John
                See thats my point Gosteam. The complaint against China will not be affected in any way. You wont here a peep out of China on this. China runs a 50 zill-a-frigging-billion dollar(folks, its a lot) trade surplus with the US as does everyone else.
                Exactly my point.

                As China is economic power house that it is, even if the WTO ruled against them, they would continue, and will continue because it is so profitable for them.

                I think the only way any change in the US and their Attitude will be economic damage to their US domiciled corporations ( private and public ) .

                Then 1 of 3 things can happen

                1) Attitudes get in line

                2) The aforementioned corporations start to lose untold dollars thereby applying pressure to the government for point number 1 to happen

                3) These companies seek other countries to locate/domicile their businesses, thereby damaging the US economy

                In any scenario, the US and their dominance is fast on the way out.
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                • betplom
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 09-20-06
                  • 13444

                  #9
                  FYI:

                  The US has a trade deficit with Canada as well.
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                  • Shuswapper
                    SBR Hustler
                    • 03-29-07
                    • 54

                    #10
                    Let's cut through the bullshit!

                    The USA will never allow Antigua to "license" people such as Calvin Ayre and still claim legitimacy with the WTO. For those of you who don't already know, Ayre has been linked to drug-runners and stock swindlers. For those of you who know the story, and are sick of me bleating about, don't despair. The biggest online gambling bust ever is just around the corner, and Ayre is going to be the "poster boy". Then I will go back to finishing drywall in other people's homes and stop scouring the 'net in the hopes of finding any way of exposing Calvin's massive fraud and narcissistic, sociopathic personality which has victimized so many. Not the least of whom are my own children and myself and family, kept apart all these years by lies and dirty money. So for those of you who don't know the story, here it is. http://www.gambling911.com/Vancouver...re-092506.html For those few wretched scum-bags who don't want me on these forums, kiss my Irish ass!
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                    • SBR_John
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 07-12-05
                      • 16471

                      #11
                      Nothing to do with Calvin. The case was started, lost and lost on appeal long before Calvin ever dreamed of buying WWTS.

                      BTW, Antigua licensed Billy Scott who was and still is a great guy. But if you read his rapp sheet you better bring your lunch. And dbl btw, I dont know of any bookmakers in Antigua that have not had brushes with the law. This is not an industry where saints of thou flock tend to gather.
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                      • Shuswapper
                        SBR Hustler
                        • 03-29-07
                        • 54

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SBR_John
                        Nothing to do with Calvin. The case was started, lost and lost on appeal long before Calvin ever dreamed of buying WWTS.

                        BTW, Antigua licensed Billy Scott who was and still is a great guy. But if you read his rapp sheet you better bring your lunch. And dbl btw, I dont know of any bookmakers in Antigua that have not had brushes with the law. This is not an industry where saints of thou flock tend to gather.
                        Exactly. And you think the Bush gang, major criminals themselves, are going to turn a blind eye to the pasts of Antiguan gaming operators? They would, if it were politically expedient for them, but at the end of the day, the federal govt. has to at least make the appearance of protecting public morals, kicking the shit out of the boogey-man in a suit, and generally making the voter feel that law and order is being upheld. Good name for a TV show, Law and Order. BTW, I don't think Bill Scott travels to America. What a coincidence, neither does Ayre. They might not care about Bill Scott, but I'll bet you they care a great deal about locking Calvin's flabby ass up. Being a "poster boy" can be a double-edged sword. He's done like dinner, I just hope honest forums like this one continue to feel "integrity" is not a dirty word. BTW, I doubt Calvin dreamed up the idea of buying BTWWS, I'm pretty sure he takes marching orders from someone. How did that old Bob Dylan song go? "Everybody's got to serve someone".
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                        • Razz
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 08-22-05
                          • 5632

                          #13
                          Gotta love the good ole USA.
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                          • Zerlinco
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 02-09-07
                            • 120

                            #14
                            Nice to hear the news.

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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              USA laughs at WTO
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                              • JoshW
                                SBR MVP
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 3431

                                #16
                                Originally posted by SBR_John

                                BTW, Antigua licensed Billy Scott who was and still is a great guy. But if you read his rapp sheet you better bring your lunch. And dbl btw, I dont know of any bookmakers in Antigua that have not had brushes with the law. This is not an industry where saints of thou flock tend to gather.
                                Aside from gambling charges from operating in Antigua. The WSEX guys are totally clean.
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                                • SBR_John
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-12-05
                                  • 16471

                                  #17
                                  Well yes, besides being fugitives they are model licensees.

                                  The offshores will always be the black market and they will continue to thrive even when the US allows Las Vegas to have this market.
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                                  • Shack
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 04-13-06
                                    • 314

                                    #18
                                    nice info, this country wants to run the world. it will change in the next 50 years. they won't be running the world.
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                                    • increasedodds
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 01-20-06
                                      • 819

                                      #19
                                      At the rate they are destroying the dollar in 15 years the US wont have a dominant position.

                                      Sean
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