will charlie weiss be fired after this year?

[MartinBlank]

I think my generation, 80's babies, dont really give a Fuk about the tradition of Norte Dame. I dont expect NBC to renew the contract. They need to start televising games that Vegas has the highest totals on. Guaranteed exciting Football, like the Tulsa/Houston game O/U 70.

Please----if NBC doesn't renew ND---there will be three other networks lining up that day to pay them.

Hate the Irish all you want, they still draw.

What other program could play a neutral site game in a site 1500 miles from their campus against a crappy Washington State team and still draw almost 60K fans?

That is what networks pay for.

[HoulihansTX]

My argument isn't the money they draw, but the true irrelevancy of their program.

They may be relevant in the business sphere, but in pure football terms it is hard to find a more over hyped/underachieving squad.

Maybe the Cowboys...

[BigdaddyQH]

I totally agree. NBC will dump Notre Dame, especially since they have started to schedule so many patsies. Their rating were never high. Even when they played USC, they were not even the highest rated game during that time. The bottom line is that the Midwest is fast becoming irelevent in the world of college football. The SEC has as many relevant teams as the Big 10, MAC, Big 12 North, and Notre Dame added up. The power in college football is in the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 12 South. Notre Dame may draw at the gate, but NBC is losing money on them, and NBC can not afford to lose more money. Most of their games would be televised anyways, so televising their home games is a waste of NBC's money.

[goblue12]

NBC has the contract through 2015 with Notre Dame. They are here to stay for at least 6 more years. In addition, Comcast appears to be on the verge of purchasing NBC Universal from General Electric with their sights set on airing (and potentially re-airing) Notre Dame football / becoming a rival for ESPN. With NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, Versus, The Golf Channel and a few more lower channels, they might be able to pull it off, but the production quality MUST improve.

[Scorpion]

lol at ND

didnt those idiots at ND know that fat man cheated at NE? thats why he looked like a ****ing genius

[HoulihansTX]

NBC has the contract through 2015 with Notre Dame. They are here to stay for at least 6 more years. In addition, Comcast appears to be on the verge of purchasing NBC Universal from General Electric with their sights set on airing (and potentially re-airing) Notre Dame football / becoming a rival for ESPN. With NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, Versus, The Golf Channel and a few more lower channels, they might be able to pull it off, but the production quality MUST improve.

Your Damn right, and they need to start with replacing the tools in the booth. Neither one of those clowns have played football, and they sound like complete nerds.

[hhsilver]

Your Damn right, and they need to start with replacing the tools in the booth. Neither one of those clowns have played football, and they sound like complete nerds.

Pat Haden --- look him up, please. He had a fine playing career. USC QB and then NFL.

He was also a Rhodes Scholar , not that that would be impressive to many at this forum.

[MartinBlank]

Your Damn right, and they need to start with replacing the tools in the booth. Neither one of those clowns have played football, and they sound like complete nerds.

Umm, yeah Sparky----Pat Haden had him a pretty good college and NFL career.

[purecarnagge]

The guy is 3-16 when playing ranked opponents. His star players will leave as juniors this year... So essentially ND will be rebuilding again...

[MartinBlank]

I totally agree. NBC will dump Notre Dame, especially since they have started to schedule so many patsies. Their rating were never high. Even when they played USC, they were not even the highest rated game during that time. The bottom line is that the Midwest is fast becoming irelevent in the world of college football. The SEC has as many relevant teams as the Big 10, MAC, Big 12 North, and Notre Dame added up. The power in college football is in the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 12 South. Notre Dame may draw at the gate, but NBC is losing money on them, and NBC can not afford to lose more money. Most of their games would be televised anyways, so televising their home games is a waste of NBC's money.

Actually, it could not be further from the truth.

For the record, I have no emotion vested in ND one way or the other.

In August's SBJ---Sports Business Journal, they examined the money NBC made from the ND contract. NBC to date has a net profit of 94.8 million dollars since they partnered up with ND Football back in 1991.

In 2007---ND's worst season of college football in a half century---NBC still cleared 1.2 million dollars in ad revenue if you exclude Make Goods. Business Week said NBC had to provide P&G with something like 40K worth of Make Goods, but I never saw that confirmed.

If you hate ND---this would drive people insane, but if you look at this objectively---ND is still ND. And these bouts of college football are cyclical----right now it is the SEC, 10 years ago it was Florida State and Nebraska----coaches change, success moves----

If ND ever hired a great coach----they would be dominant. The problem with ND is who does the hiring.

Oh, and NBC has already inked an extension with ND football through 2015---so you have at a minimum 6 more years of ND on NBC.

[HoulihansTX]

Umm, yeah Sparky----Pat Haden had him a pretty good college and NFL career.

I was wrong. I guess I'm too young to know about him. But he is still annoying.

[Art Vandelay]

They lost to Navy AT South Bend...He'll be bought out as soon as the final gun sounds in their final game, bowl or not.

[tltaylor89]

He should have stuck with the Partiots

[ZBOIZ]

If Weis was black he would of been fired by now

[MartinBlank]

If Weis was black he would of been fired by now

What the f' does that mean?

If you are going to compare Willingham to Weis Z, you need to try again.

ND was justified in firing Willingham---my god, look what Willingham did to Washington.

ESPN just reported Weis' buyout number is 18 million.

NO way in this economy ND ponies up 18 million for a buyout.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Willingham > Charlie Cheeseburger

Maybe if Willingham was white, he would still have his job

[tropolis]

i think he should go

[purecarnagge]

he can't beat ranked opposition. He loses all the "big games'

[Hotdiggity11]

He should go but I doubt ND can buy him out.

[tullamore]

ND has hired bad coaches ever since Holtz left. The way they hire and their expectations need to be re-examined. Notre Dame may have been a lot of coaches dream job in the past, but in 2009 there are better jobs. The issue with Notre Dame might be who would want the job? Meyer can talk all he wants about his fond memories of South Bend, but he would be taking a step back if he ever went to Notre Dame.

[Kaps]

they have to get rid of him and bring in bill cowher

[Kustac]

"Meyer will never leave Florida for the headaches of Notre Dame. Firwt, he would have to play a decent schedule. Next, he will have to deal with academic issues."

I hope I'm reading this wrong b/c FL plays an extremely tough schedule. Tougher than Notre Dame's.

Edit: After reading further I'm thinking this may have meant Meyer would have a hard time getting a tough schedule put together at N Dame, if so disregard my comments above as they would make no sense.

[MartinBlank]

Willingham > Charlie Cheeseburger

Maybe if Willingham was white, he would still have his job

Based on what?

Take ND out of the equation.

Willingham went 0-12 his last season at Washington.

And if you follow college football-----something to consider-----Willingham failed to recruit a single offensive lineman in 2003 for ND, and for 2007 for Washington.

Weis may suck---and he does-----but whoever gets the ND job is going to inherit a roster f'in stacked in talent.

[BigdaddyQH]

What talent? Where is it? How come it has not shown up? Name me some of this alleged talent? Weis has been there for 5 years, so this is his team. Name me the talent on this team. Other than Clausen and possibly Floyd, there is no talent, and both of them leave after this season if they are smart. Notre Dame could lose as many as 8 starters on offense after the season ends. With a pourous defense, the certainly does not bode well for next season.

[HoulihansTX]

What talent? Where is it? How come it has not shown up? Name me some of this alleged talent? Weis has been there for 5 years, so this is his team. Name me the talent on this team. Other than Clausen and possibly Floyd, there is no talent, and both of them leave after this season if they are smart. Notre Dame could lose as many as 8 starters on offense after the season ends. With a pourous defense, the certainly does not bode well for next season.

Chill out dude. Norte Dame is loaded, but they lack great coaching. Both WR's, QB, MLB, and couple of the OL-men are going to the league. The coach stinks period, point blank.

[MartinBlank]

What talent? Where is it? How come it has not shown up? Name me some of this alleged talent? Weis has been there for 5 years, so this is his team. Name me the talent on this team. Other than Clausen and possibly Floyd, there is no talent, and both of them leave after this season if they are smart. Notre Dame could lose as many as 8 starters on offense after the season ends. With a pourous defense, the certainly does not bode well for next season.

Weis has gone head/head with USC, Oklahoma, Texas, and Florida for the following recruits and WON.....now, what he has done with this talent is the issue, but he has recruited exceptionally well......Here's your list....and this took me about 10 seconds on Scout......

Scout is different than Rivals in that Scout confirms offers ONLY if they are in writing.

I also excluded 23 players who were ranked in the top 10 at their respective positions but didn't have an offer from Florida, Oklahoma, or USC.

Jimmy Clausen #1 QB--offers from USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Tennessee
Sam Young #1 OT---offers from USC, Florida, Oklahoma, Miami
Darrin Walls #3 CB--offers from USC, Florida, Penn State, Michigan
Matt Romine #5 OG--offers from Florida, Oklahoma, Texas
Armando Allen #5 RB--offers from Florida, FSU, Tennessee
Gary Gray #4 CB---offers from Alabama, Auburn,
Michael Floyd #2 WR--offers from Florida, USC, Ohio State
Trevor Robinson #2 OG--offers from Oklahoma, Michigan
Steve Filer #3 ILB---offers from Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State
Darius Flemming #2 SLB--offers from USC, Ohio State, Alabama
Dayne Crist #4 QB--offers from USC, LSU, Texas
Kyle Rudolph #1 TE--offers from Michigan, Ohio State, Florida
Manti Te'o #1 LB---offers from just about every school in the country
Chris Watt #1 OG---Offers from Florida, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State
Shaq Evans #5 WR--offers from USC, Cal, Ohio State, Michigan
Chris Martin #1 OLB---offers from just about every school in the country

[Superman455]

I think that he sealed his fate with the loss to Navy.

[HoulihansTX]

Ombudsman, Blank its in your wheelhouse.

[BigdaddyQH]

So youlist 16 players in 5 years. USC gets that in 1 year. Besides, Scouts and Rivals are nothing more than garbage. How often are they right? Rarely. The fact is that Notre Dame has NO talent on their team other than Clausen and Floyd. Do not gie me a bouch of B.S. about what Rivals and Scouts says. Show me the talent. Just how many All Americans are on your list of alleged "talent"? Not a one.

[MartinBlank]

So youlist 16 players in 5 years. USC gets that in 1 year. Besides, Scouts and Rivals are nothing more than garbage. How often are they right? Rarely. The fact is that Notre Dame has NO talent on their team other than Clausen and Floyd. Do not gie me a bouch of B.S. about what Rivals and Scouts says. Show me the talent. Just how many All Americans are on your list of alleged "talent"? Not a one.

Actually they are not wrong. Florida, Texas, and Alabama are all in Scout's top 5.

Take a look at their top 10. The only programs that aren't winning in their top 6 are Notre Dame and Oklahoma. But, Oklahoma has a freshman QB running around---and Oklahoma is one year removed from the BCS title game.

Weis gets talent, he just can't coach it.

And if you want to ignore their rankings fine-----but use the cohort list.

Phil Steele uses a comprehensive recruiting score system to rank recruiting----he combines Scout, ESPN, and Rivals and then ranks accordingly.

But to give you an even broader picture, I will give you Scout's and Rivals number as well.

From 2005-09 This is the comprehensive listing of recruiting

1. USC
2. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Notre Dame
5. Texas
6. Oklahoma
7. LSU
8. Georgia
9. Ohio State
10. Penn State

Now, if you want a list of programs with the most 5-star recruits in the last 5 years here it is....

1. USC 24
2. Florida 21
3. Texas 17
4. NOTRE DAME 15
4. Alabama 15
6. LSU 13
7. Georgia 13
8. Oklahoma 11
9. Ohio State 10

If you want to use Rivals...the numbers are similar

1. USC 27
2. Florida 24
3. Texas 20
4. Notre Dame 18
5. Alabama 17
6. Ohio State 16
7. LSU 15
8. Oklahoma 14
9. Tennessee 13
10. Penn State 12

Notre Dame's lowest ranked class in the last 4 years--on any recruiting service---has been 9th. If you use Scout or Rivals----they have a top 5 position player are every single position......except DT. Where they have a top 7 guy (Tyler Stockton).

ND had the top ranked class on every service----Scout, Rivals, ESPN, GW---every service in 2008.

Weis has done LESS with all this talent than any other coach in college football.

He needs to be fired for that alone.

[teaserpleaser]

are those two all world CBs playing Gray and walls? Irish defense is terrible for having Te'o and those other guys. Te'o could play anywhere kids a stud. martin i hear you but im sorry theres no way those kids on Notre dame are on the same level as a whole as LSU, Tennesee or anybody in that top 10... ND didnt look much bigger than navy and didnt look like they had the team speed edge either. Navy had the explosive plays. Just saying i understand the recruiting rankings but i think they are wrong, The eye ball test all those top 10 schools have better athletes imo. TCU has better players than the irish imo and most of those guys were 2 or 3 stars coming out of high school with a few 4 stars sprinkled in.

[teaserpleaser]

If Weis was black he would of been fired by now

i dont know but my question is did Ty willingham lose to navy???....twice!!!! in south bend theres a reason before 2007 ND had won 43 games in a row vs navy. They need to fire his fat ass.

[teaserpleaser]

lol at charlie that fat **** could and probably should be 0-3 vs navy that 2008 game they almost gave it away in the 4th.

[seaborneq]

Fatman is gone. Sadly.